204. Building Racecars, Winning TX2K, Street Outlaws and Twin Turbo F150's w/ JayFab Performance

This episode is brought to you by 6XD Gearbox. More on them later. So how I discovered you was through our mutual friends over at Accelerator Racing Solutions, who I had on three episodes ago. And they do a lot of Camaro stuff, but there's a little bit more than Camaro stuff in here, right?

Oh yeah, yeah.

You can find everything in here.

I got everything in here. 63 Corvette, Nova Pro Mod behind me, and O2 Camaro, ZL1. And then I have six F-150s in storage. Holy s***.

Real quick, just pull this towards you. Just a little bit. Yeah, there we go. Perfect. Yeah, you're good over there. Yep. Perfect. Okay. So how do we get to where we are at today? How did this all start? Cause obviously you're doing some F-150 stuff. We have a winning Texas 2K car right behind you. I see you smiling over there, Billy, but... Or no, is that your car?

It's not his. No, no, no. No, that's not his.

Hold on, I looked at it and I'm like, all you Camaro people look the same.

Yeah, they all, yeah.

You people.

Yes.

But nonetheless, how do we get to where we're at today? Cause you're kicking out some awesome kits, you're building some awesome cars. How did this all start?

So, I've never, I've only had one, I guess I want to say like legit job, but this is all I've ever done since I was a kid. I've always loved cars when I grew up and the performance world, I've always wanted to go fast and make things go fast. So, I started my first job at RPM.

Okay.

It was in Louisville before. And that was, oh man, I think 99.

99?

99. Yeah, I'm 45. So, I wouldn't have guessed that. I'm luckily a little younger, right? My beard probably has like 10 years now. But yeah, and I want to say 99, 2000, I started at RPM. Just stayed there for, man, six, seven years. They end up closing the doors. And then I went to HPP Racing.

Okay.

And they're out of Garland now. I stayed with them for, man, like 15 years. Stayed with them for 15 years, left there. Then I went to a company called Anything Automotive in Denton. And when I went there, I loved HPP. Manny is the owner's name. He was a really great boss with me. I learned a lot. Like when I went to all these shops, I learned like a ton. Took a little, took a little, took a little, learned, do this, do this, don't do this, don't do this. And my uncle and my wife kept telling me, hey, you got to open your own shop.

And what period was this? Like what year were you at roughly?

Really? Like, oh.

They've been telling you that for a long time.

Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of like, when I accepted it.

Yeah, yeah.

It's scary. And when you think about going into business for yourself or whatever, 10 or 11 is where I really started thinking like, okay, I think I can do this. Cause what ended up happening is when I was at HPP, he would, they would call and be like, I want Jay to work on my car. And cause at that time I was fabricating, doing turbo kits, doing all the fab work for HPP at that time. And I would get, they, many of them was like, Hey man, this guy called. He wants you to work on a car. Okay, cool. Whatever. You know, I, I didn't understand that aspect of the business at that point.

They were getting a wait list for customers to get on Jay's wait list.

Yes. Yeah. So when that started to happen, I was like, you know, like maybe I can like do this.

And were you doing some side work at this time, or is this all through the company at this point?

So I didn't do any side work at the time because I was very loyal to Manny. It very, very, I'm a very loyal person just in general. And so I felt like if I started doing side work, just that loyalty like basically goes out the window and I didn't want that to happen. That's when I left. So when I left, I already kind of had the game plan of let me start saving money, let me go somewhere else and let me like try to figure that out. So I go to Anything Automotive and I learned a lot there. It was like the bit how they ran their business was, I mean, completely different how HPP ran their business. I was like, oh wow, this is really new. And I'm glad I went there. I feel everything happened for a reason because I could see different aspects of the business, right? So I go there for a year and I'm like, all right, I'm done. I'm gonna start my business and I'm gonna do it out of my house.

Okay.

But during, right, like probably four or five months into that year of with Anything Automotive, I started doing, I had people contacting me through Facebook. Hey, will you build my car? Will you build my car? Okay, great. So Brian is the first guy, man, I forget his last name, it's like Laylac or something. He had a split bumper Camaro and it was like a full build. And I was like, okay, like, how do you want to do this? This is the shop I'm at. No, no, no, I don't want no shop. I want you doing, doing.

You want to hire you direct.

Yeah. He's like, I want you to do the car. I was like, all right, I'm gonna do it out of my garage. He's like, I don't care where you do it. So I started doing that. I had a house in Carrollton, had a big garage, which was fortunate that I had that. And so I started building the car and I started posting up pictures on Facebook. And then after that, like it exploded.

Okay. So, and what timeframe are we at at this point then?

We are 2017.

Okay.

Yeah.

So how does the work change then? Like, do you start doing like just small things here and there? When did wonderful like race car programs come into the door, I guess?

So when I was at Anything Automotive, there was a guy, Armando. And so when Anything Automotive brought me to their company, it was only to build like race cars. Now, but I was doing that at HPP as well, doing like Manny's race car. I built that car from like ground up. So I had already started doing that like into HPP. So like early 2000s or 2010, 11, 12 is when that started happening. So I meet Armando and when I left Anything Automotive, they basically were like, all right, we're not doing performance no more. They went off into like just doing regular like maintenance. And they're still in business now in the same spot. So then I get Armando's car and it was a Mustang coupe, like a 91 or...

90, 91 coupe.

Yeah, someone there. It's a coupe.

Bright orange.

Bright orange is called Hellboy. And that's where I really started making the scene for building race cars.

Okay.

Or more platform of just me, right? Because yeah, all my own. Cause like I would go to HPP and they're like, oh, there's a HPP car. Well, Jay built it, but it was still HPP's car. Then it was still Anything Automotive's car. So finally, when I, I was like, man, I want to do this on my own because I'm building these cars. And like, I always got a little irritated because sometimes shops, but I get it now. Like when I have my shop, I kind of see where the owner comes from with that aspect of it, how they say, oh, it's a HPP car or anything, or motor car. I wanted my recognition basically.

Well, kind of like, you know, like when you open like a Mercedes or like a Nissan, like GTR hood, you see who built the engine.

Exactly. Yes. Yeah. They're trying to give them some type of credit, right?

Is there any shop that does that at this point? It'd be kind of cool, right? Like if you had like a big fab shop and you'd like give credit to the guy, like fabricated by Jay or whatever, something like that.

Right. Yeah.

We do have some tags that we put on.

Yeah. We'll put, yeah, we put tags. And so when you open it, you see like on Billy's car, right when you open it, you see Jayfab, my plaque and everything to try to get, you know, that out there. But like motors, like Oak's Performance, like now they're Valka, like you buy a motor from them and they have Valka or says Oak's Performance on the Valka.

Yeah.

So you kind of like know, right? But that gives them their recognition for what they did for that motor. Right. And that's basically what I wanted when I was like, forget this. Like I'm out.

Well, Armando's race car was the first one you had a three foot Jayfab sticker on the back.

Yes.

I mean, like that's when everybody goes, who the freak is Jayfab? Oh, that's that car.

Now, well, people knew me like they know me from the track. They know who Jay is, blah, blah. But at this point, it was like Park saying, now he has his own shot, which really was in my garage. Yeah.

So a big part of any business is like the advertising. So is this you, are you going to racetracks meeting people? Are you like, how did your work get out there? How did the business grow?

Facebook.

Facebook's just people just sharing what they did with you?

Facebook was the biggest and Facebook to this day is still my biggest avenue of workload.

Okay.

Like 100%.

Okay.

A lot of times the fab work speaks for itself. And so when somebody sees something he's built, it doesn't look like other cars. And they're like, man, I really want to, I want to know what that is or who built that. And it's just, it sells itself.

Yeah. So I start going, so I started in the garage, started working, you know, I worked out of my garage for three years and it was great. Then I met Parker. So right when I met Parker, I end up going back to HPP, but not like full time. What ended up happening is Manny gets involved with Street Outlaws.

Okay.

So he calls me from PRI and Monza is on the phone and Manny's like, Hey bro, you know how to build headers. And I'm like, of course I know how to build headers. And so I sent him a picture. So they called me and Monza is on the phone and Monza is like, Hey, you want to build like my turbo, my twin turbo kit. And I'm like, heck yeah. So I basically was going, I still had all my work at my house and then I would go to HPP and I would start working on Monza's car. And once Monza hit, it turned into Kamikaze I did, it turned into the purple car. I forget what his name was.

Oh, Doc?

The Dart.

So I did headers on Doc's car, but it was a nitrous car. But I did Doc's, I did Reaper's car. I did like two of Reaper's cars. And oh man, I forget the guy.

When I see Kamikaze, let's be clear.

But it's the Firebird. Yeah, the El Camino. Yeah, the El Camino. And then I did, I forget his name. He's still in it now. It's the blue Firebird, like the 67.

That guy was baller for a while.

Yeah. Yeah. So I did his car. And towards the end of that, Manny was just like, hey, man, why don't you just like come back? Because I was coming like two or three days out of the week, and I was still doing my stuff. And then as that's going, me and Parker has started developing more of a relationship. He brought me his 93 Cobra, his 55 Chevy that he had. And so I started working on his. He basically was just like a client at that point. And he lived.

Man, ten minutes down the road as a crow flies.

Yeah, so like he runs a roofing business, Impact Roofing. And I worked like all day. So he would come like at four o'clock and just hang out at the garage and watch me build cars and three, four, five nights a week.

We're both checking out of work, going home, changing food. And we're going to be in the garage pulling cars.

Yeah, he would text me, hey, you want.

Arby's.

No, Bueno, Taco Bueno. Like always Taco Bueno, like Arby's, right? So I tell Manny, yeah, I'll come back. So we made an agreement. I brought all my customers to HPP. I got a cut of that and I got financially, like hourly or I think it was like a salary or something at that time. And they moved to Garland to the big shop that they're in like now. And man, I don't think I was there.

You made the move, but you were doing a lot of driving.

It was just kind of like, Yeah, man, I was spending $400 in tolls a month. Holy s***. Yes. It was to go all the way over there.

It cost you more to go to work every day and then longer days.

Yeah. And then here we come back to that recognition that I was talking about. Now it was leaving as HPP and that started like chipping away at me and it would make me matter and matter and matter. And I just, I didn't like it. I wanted to go back again. Me and Parker, I had been doing his stuff at my house. So I was working from my house, working full time for HPP and then it's chipping away, chipping away, chipping away at me. And it really started like bothering me. And I forget the conversation. I think I called Park and I go, hey, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave HPP, I'm gonna go back to my garage.

For like four weeks in a row, like we talked probably 10 times a day. And he's just like, man, I'm tired of this. I love it. I'm tired of this. I love it.

So he would tell me, I have a shop. And I'm like, no, like I get it. I get it. But no, like I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna go back to my garage. So, and he told me every time I call, I have a shop, I have a shop. And I'm like, all right. And I know it, for whatever reason, it just never came to my mind.

Never dawned on you.

Yeah, that, well, Parker's trying to offer me a shop. It just, I was like, forget it. So the day I quit, I called Park. And at this point, this is a year in.

Yeah.

This is a year of me, cause I was at HPP for a year. So this is a year in of me developing a friendship with Parker. And I called and said, dude, I'm gonna quit. And here in like 30 minutes, I'm out.

I was on a Friday. I remember it was lunchtime on a Friday.

And he goes, Jay, quit and come to my shop. I have a shop. Now he has a shop over there. I keep thinking it's that shop. Bro, he's got, we have eight cars over there.

We got a 5,000 square foot building across the street. And he misses the fab shop.

Yeah. And in my mind, I'm like, dude, I can't work there. There's too many. And he goes, just show up, just quit and come. And I'm like, all right, cool. I'll do it. I'll call my wife. Hey, I'm quitting. I'm done. She already knew it. This is when my uncle at the same time was like, hey, stop, go back out on your own. We'll figure it out financially. And I'm like, all right, great. So I quit, tell him I'm leaving. And I stay for like two weeks to finish. I was actually working on Reaper's car and I needed to finish Reaper's car because they didn't have nobody in the shop at that time that did anything that I did remotely. So I leave and I come and this door's open and show up. I'm like, oh, the door's open. That's cool. Go to park. And so he walks over and he's like, hey, this is your shop. And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, this is the shop that I kept telling you about.

This is the man cave. Every guy in town wants to have a man cave like this, where you can put your stuff in there and work and take care of your cars and whatnot. And I showed him it.

Yeah. And as like you rolled in, we're like in a really nice neighborhood and it's all of a sudden these really nice shops. Yeah. So it's really unexpected over here. Whenever I give people my address or they show up, they're like, yo, I just went through this, like, really nice neighborhood. Like, man, this is cool.

The little waterfall and everything.

Yes, everything.

Most people are like, you have a fab shop in Frisco, Texas?

Yes.

Yes, we do.

That's what I was thinking, because this is like a nicer part of town from my understanding. And I'm just like a fab shop like is usually on the outskirts.

The lake is two minutes that way. Frisco is right here. You know, Little Elm's up the street. I mean, we're right in the middle of everything.

Yeah. I was looking at the map. I'm like, this is like a nice neighborhood. I'm like, what's this little like warehouse area here? I'm like, it's just different.

Yeah. No, 100%. So he was like, man, this is your shop. And I'm like, man, let's like, let's do this. Let's do this.

And that was Friday at five. We were waiting on the guy that had previously rented it out just to get some stuff out of here.

Yeah.

And by Monday, we were moving stuff in. We'd had the new bandsaw and all the stuff coming.

Yeah. Lifts, everything. The good thing, I think that best thing I did financially is I saved my money.

This is a good advice for other business owners. How much did you have saved away to be like, I could take a chance on myself again?

So, okay, let's go back when I started in my garage. I had $1,500 to my name.

Okay.

It wasn't a great idea. But I had $1,500, but I had four people in line. And I told my wife, my wife had all the confidence in the world in me, and I had like none. And I go, baby, I got four cars. I was like, look, you're gonna do what you're gonna do. Your work's gonna stand for itself. Keep posting it on Facebook. Don't worry about it. And I was like, all right. So literally started with $1,500 to my name. But when I got here and parked, I didn't even know if parking, but well, eventually did. I had saved 40 grand. So wherever I went right now, and I love it, and I can say this, and not a lot of shop owners can say this. I owe nothing. I have no debt. I don't, everything is paid for in this shop. And that's what I really wanted because I knew in a business and I've seen it again, right? From these, all these different companies that I've been with, they owe a lot of money to like different things, or they got a dyno, or they're paying the alignment rack off or whatever it may be. I wanted to come in debt-free.

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Well, these guys start spending money faster than they're making it.

Yes.

And that just doesn't go very far.

Exactly. So now all the profit that I'm making is going straight to my bank account because I don't owe anything. So that was probably the best thing I had like ever done was like save every nickel and set the $400 in tolls. But yeah, it paid itself off me saving my money is what it really, really was. But I don't suggest anyone $1,500 if you're listening to go into a business. But I did, but I had the clientele. So I knew once I had this and they were all big jobs. So I knew I was going to make 15 grand or 10 grand, five grand. And I knew at that point that I could sustain myself out of those four cars. I could live off of that for seven, eight months.

Right. By some time, basically.

Exactly. And then, but once that it was since I did that in.

I'm just going to double check this one real quick.

Yeah. I want to say, I think 2016 is when I went to go work for myself out of my garage. From that day, I said, yes, I have always been two to five months out of work.

That's going to be my next question is, how far out? How far out are you right now?

Five months.

Five months. So I got to get on a list right now then. Okay.

Yeah.

If you want an F-150 built or if you need a turbo kit built.

We'll get into that because that's where it's really-

We got a board over there. We got to keep them in line.

Yeah. That's where it really like kicks in is the F-150 scene. But yeah, we can get to that. So come in and start going-

Going to work.

Going to work. And I had my clients-

We had Armando's race car, which was a big car at the time.

Yeah. So Armando's car again was like my shop car. And unfortunately, Armando passed away. So that kind of hit- I didn't go to the track for-

Yeah, it was a few years. A couple of years.

Like four years. I didn't go back to the track. Wow. So that hit me pretty good. But I love it because I met Billy. So this is a funny story. So I meet Tiana. I'm at the track. You know who Duane Biddle is? Biddle Motorsports. They're out of- Austin.

Well, they're downouts. Just North Austin, Georgetown.

So something was going on with Tiana's car and Duane's like, oh, that's Jay. Hold on. Let me go get Jay. So I walk over and I think it was like a water overflow can or something that needed to be bigger. And that was the first job I did for Tiana and Brandon. And they had sent me a sketch and I made it, shipped it to them. They were here locally.

Well, locally, but 30 minutes away.

Yeah, 34. Yeah, they're at McKinney. And Brandon was like, hey, like, what do you do? And so I was like, check out my Facebook. And so he checked out my Facebook and we started our relationship with them, like right when they got here from California.

OK, so this is like what? 2020 ish sort of roughly. Yeah. Yeah, that's when they came over here.

I think it's funny because we took that car over there and they it was like one of the first Motec's they installed in a ZL1.

Yeah. And that's Parker's car.

Got OK.

Yeah, that's Parker's got. So he calls me three years ago, correct? Three years ago. And he goes, hey, I got a customer. He wants to win 2K. Money's not an option. What do we do? And I'm like, twins, Turbos. Yeah, Turbos. He's like, all right, like, let's do it. Get a quote from me and let's go from there. So I don't think I heard from Brandon at that point for like six months. And he calls me again. I'm like three, four, five months out. And he goes, hey, you ready? I go, ready for what? I forgot all about like the conversation we had. He goes, the Texas 2K car, we're going to build it and we're going to go and go, bro, we got like three months. He's like, yeah, I know money's not an option. Let's do it. So sure enough, that's when I meet Billy and we start building his car. And I was working like 20 hour freaking day. Literally, the 2K that we went to two years ago, I got done Sunday and no Saturday, the week of, right? So Texas 2K starts Monday, you get to set up Sunday. I finished Billy's car. We take it to Brandon and Brandon, I don't think he slept at all whatsoever. And we show up Tuesday for qualifying. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how close we got with Billy's car. We got Motec. Motec is great.

OK.

Motec is like the one, like the best ECUs that you could put on a car. It does everything and anything you possibly can think of.

But what's the but?

The but is it will Motec you.

It does it does more than what you can think of.

Well, it has so many safety parameters. OK, so here we go. We build Billy a 2000 horsepower car. Billy had never been a 2000 horsepower car in his life. And with me and Brandon together, we're like, OK, we're going to go in steps and steps. Right. So 2K, you know, you get like one hit a day. Tuesday, you get a hit. Wednesday, you get a hit. Friday on and on. So we progressively were getting Billy up, up, up, up. And at that time, I think we got all the way to like Friday and we were third qualifier, third or fourth qualifier with Billy never going down the track in the car. Brandon and me guessing at what to do. And at this point, too, Brandon is he's I wouldn't say unfamiliar with the Motec by any means, but also unfamiliar with the safety parameters.

Well, yeah, this is like an entirely new set up at this point. Like he was working on mostly Magnuson or starting a supercharged build at this point.

Yeah, yeah, I believe and I believe I'm the first twin turbo car that he started doing. I believe so.

You could rotate that mic, by the way, if you want. Yeah, I want to talk to you, sir. Yeah, yeah, it's good. Like about a fist away. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, should be good. Yeah. But anyways, so yeah, because like there's just so like when you came to them with this build, it was going to be the most over the top build that they've done at that point.

Right. Yes. Yeah, most power. Well, I take that back. At this time, Brandon had a really fast Mustang. Did you ever see that? Oh, his personal car, a blue car, twin turbo LS. Yes.

That thing was stupid. Crazy. So for sale, too, I believe there was one before. Oh, before that. Oh, yeah.

That's Tiana's car.

Oh, yes.

He had his own car that probably made right around like 18, 1900 horsepower.

OK.

I actually sold it for him and he owes me still for that.

Pause real quick. I just got a limp dick. That was soft and blessed.

Perfect.

Should be good, there we go.

So we end up, he sold that car, and then Tiana still had her grudge car. You can say, you remember the grudge car, the Mustang, the gray one. So yeah, they had very close to what he was getting. So it wasn't like new to the Twin Turbo era because that's what he had, but definitely LT-based, Camaro-based, that was the first one.

I understand, yeah.

First one for Billy. So we get to Friday, and no, we get to Saturday. Saturday, we get three test hits or two?

Which time?

Two years ago.

Two years ago, I think we did three test hits.

So I want to say those three went extremely great, and we kept creeping, creeping, creeping. And I think at this point, we were like number two.

Actually, no, I was in the eight slot.

Yes, eight qualifier.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it was eight qualifier. But we weren't worried because on the last pass, we knew, all right, this is game on. We're going to show up on Sunday, and we're going to like, we're going to get them. So we come Sunday, we win the first round.

No, no, no, I actually. So this is where I got Motec. So everything was going good. And we went into the first round on TX2K of 25. And I was up against Bo Tintel.

Oh, okay, yeah.

Okay. So we go, line up, make the hit. I got him off the tree. And then I lost oil pressure from the Motec by one PSI. And it killed the motor.

One PSI, bro.

And then Bo just left. And I was like, are you kidding me? What just happened? So Brian pulls the log. He's like, it was one PSI. So that's where the safety parameters kind of.

It was a little too tight on the safety.

Yeah. Yeah.

So we got a hit on Sunday. Didn't we get a practice hit Sunday? And I think that's where we went fast.

Yeah. We might have Sunday morning.

There was one of the passes either Sunday or Saturday. We made a really fast pass and we're like, boom. We're, I think we went like an 8-0 or something.

Yeah.

And we knew the next hit was going to be a 7 because at that point only one, Chris Bailey was running a 7 at that point. So that's where we knew the car had the potential to win in one dang PSI.

One PSI.

Shut it down.

But that's part of racing, unfortunately.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But to come back this year and just take it all, what did that kind of look like? Was there any changes to the car? What did that look like?

Yeah, we did a lot of safety upgrades. Obviously, we did the oil system. Because after that, we did fueling. So we started running a mixture of alcohol and E this year.

Okay.

So we did that as well. Yeah, belt drive pump, full cages, sometimes I'm going way faster. Before, it just had a roll cage in it, which was completely unsafe for as fast as I was going. It was not safe. So it's got a full cage in it now. So yeah, we went into it this year, this past Texas 2K. And I told Jay and I told Brandon, I was like, look, we're winning this thing this year. I don't care what it costs, get it done. And so I gave them carte blanche on whatever they wanted to do to the car as far as wiring, Motec stuff, turbos, I didn't care. I was like, we're winning. I don't care what it takes.

Yeah. So me and Brandon get on the phone and we're like alcohol.

Wait, real quick. So you and Brandon had a conversation first or like, was this a group conversation or?

It was a group, yeah.

Okay. So after, this is kind of like when you take, kick one person out of the group call. So we kick you out of the group call and it's you and Brandon talking at this point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what did this conversation look like?

You know, the good thing is me and Brandon think a lot alike. So there was no like, discurrency. We were like, we knew, all right, we're going to go alcohol. I got to put belt drive fuel pump on it. Like I need to do a real cage in it. It was a bolt-in cage. I put a 12-point cage in it, pulled the dash out, did everything really nice in his car. Fire suppression, fire suppression, like just little, all little things. The biggest thing was alcohol fuel system cage.

Okay.

But as for turbos, power system, it was all, yeah, it was all great. I believe he went to like a bigger Motec.

Yes, yes. So we went to the 182 Motec with the Motec dash. So we had extra outputs and actually right now we're out of outputs on that car.

Yeah, that's what you were telling me the other day.

That's how much, how much sensors we now have on that car. It's pretty, pretty insane. But that Motec kit is legit. And with that dash in there, I mean, just what the parameters that you get to see as far as me being in the car and the way that Brandon set it up.

It's insane.

It's pretty, it's pretty killer.

Real quick, I want to talk to you about this because you're on the driver's side of things and you're learning all this stuff as you go. Are you getting coached by Brandon between passes? What does that look like? What does looking at the data look like?

Yeah, so it's really, it's Jay and Brandon basically telling me, hey, this is what you're doing wrong. This is what you're doing right. You fix this, shorten up your burnout, lengthen your burnout, drag it through. So it's a lot of coaching from Jay and Brandon. I mean, honestly, I had never been in a car that fast before. The fastest I had gone before was in the mid eights. So going from an eight second car to a mid seven second car, I mean, that's a completely different game. So it's them coaching me, teaching me, because Jay's been drag racing for a long time. Brandon has been drag racing, and even Tiana, she was helping me out as well. Because she knows her stuff. Yeah, that's what I've heard. On that tree, she is killer. I would not want to race against her.

She'll drag the bumper and still whoop your tail coming down off of a wheelie. Tiana is a beast.

Yeah, I do not want to race against her.

The good thing is this year, you got some seat time.

Yeah, so that was the difference.

Oh, really? It was still one. I gave it to Brandon, I call it Friday, the one we go.

Yeah, we still came really close this year, but we didn't. The previous year, I think Brandon actually brought me the car. Two Texas 2K, and I was already there that Monday.

Yeah, he says you were already in a tech line or something like that.

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's how close we were last year as far as getting that car done. I mean, it came down to, I think Brandon was up until 3 in the morning trying to finish that car. He still had a couple of things to do that Monday, so he brought it up Monday morning, or Monday afternoon. Me and Tiana got to the track, we got everything set up. He brought me the car, we teched it, and that was pretty much it as far as seat time. It was just the practice runs.

You were testing the bump in the parking lot.

Yeah, I was testing the trans break and the bump in the pits. I had actually never used a trans break or a bump before that, because I was always a foot break guy. Learning that whole set up was just completely foreign to me, trying to figure out all that stuff. I know a couple of times Brandon would yell at me, because I would sit there on the trans break and my foot on the brake, in my head, still a foot break guy, and I'm letting off on the trans break, and it's just not doing anything.

He's like, dude, no, he would bump, he would bump, but the car wouldn't move, because he's on the brakes.

Right.

So he couldn't bump in, and we're screaming, get off the brakes.

Yeah, so it took a lot of them yelling at me.

And tell them what he did on the screen. That's how cool the Motec is.

Yeah, so after last year, and me trying to figure out trans break and the bump and stuff, Brandon was like, look, we have a Motec screen we can put in there, and on that screen, I can put a big red light that says, get off the break. And that's what it's on there right now. So if I'm on the break, it lights up red, it says, get off the break. So I get off, get on my train break.

That's awesome.

Get on there, so I remember. But it got a lot more familiar as I started to get in that car and started to go through rounds. This year, I didn't have an issue at all, as far as I can remember.

Yeah, the biggest thing this year, Tuesday we had unlimited testing, which was great.

Yeah, Tuesday was testing tuned, so it wasn't qualifying or anything like that.

So me and Brandon are like, all right, same tune of the last pass that we got Motec'd on that we knew would go like a seven or an eight-oh on that pass. And I think off the trailer, we won an 82.

82 or 83.

Yeah, one of those. So when that happened and then we went back and we looked at the data, it was like no power. Yeah, I looked at Brandon, me and Brandon, like, dude, it's over. Like, it's game over.

I think we were on 20 pounds on that.

Yeah, it was like 19, I believe.

Yeah, it was a whole lot.

And I was like, oh, it's on. And I told Brandon, we can't get Motec'd. Like, we just can't get Motec'd. So we made, I think we end up running an 8.0 Tuesday and we left it alone. Then Wednesday we made a hit, same hit, turn it up a little bit more. But what happened this year, it was cold and then it got hot.

Yeah.

So right. If you remember that, I think it was like 50s on Tuesday and like 60s on Wednesday. And so we get to Thursday and this is where we go about drag racing and knowledge. A lot of drivers know this. I start looking at my weather and I'm like, yo, Brennan, Friday, we have to go balls out and we got to make a pass at three o'clock. Three o'clock was like, I think, 85 or 89 degrees. Yeah. At the time, it was like 60s. I was like, bro, what the car is doing now, it ain't going to do what it's going to do on Friday. So we had a game plan. Brennan had a tune. We looked over the tune and also Wes. Wes was a big, Wes was big, if you know who Wes is.

I think I briefly met him, maybe.

Wes was always on the line. Wes was reading the track for us, telling us how much tire PSI to go on. Wes was a big part.

Yeah, Wes would line me up every single time. He was great.

Yeah. So we all get together and we're like, all right, this is the past that we want to do. So Friday, we get screwed by the clock. If you remember that, it showed him go red and it wasn't red. But he made the past and we go back and we look at the data and we're like, oh, this is better. We could put more power into the car. The data showed he ran like a 780. So we're like, game on. So I think we put just a little bit more. They gave us our own hit and it was later, it was like 435, which got it like a little hotter. And I said, Brandon, whatever this is, this is the tune because it's only going to get hotter from here. I think Sunday was like 90.

Yeah, that was a hot a** weekend.

Yeah, it got hot and we went an 87.

Yeah, so that's the past. So I did the additional past. Yeah, I got out of the groove. And so if you see my car on the videos, you see it basically does a wheelie the entire track. So it's moving like this and I'm short. I'm only five, six. And so I'm trying to see over the thing. I can't see anything while I'm driving and my car's going sideways. I don't know. And then once I noticed that I'm about to hit the cone, I'm trying to steer out of it, but my front is so light. There was no steering, so I just had to let it go. So just the tip of the bullhorn hit that last cone, which is what dequeued me on that pass.

And that would have been the number one qualifier.

Yeah, but we had the data, so we knew that, okay, this is going to take, the car is going to take it, the track will take it.

Yeah, Saturday morning, we're going to show up and hit number one qualifier. No problem. We knew it.

Yeah. So Friday, we go in, because I think it was Thursday that I hit the cone.

Friday night.

Friday night. Okay.

Friday, because then we go Saturday.

Okay. Then Saturday, we go in, we make, I think we're third or fourth up, and we make a rip, and then I did a 750-something.

Yeah.

So I think it's 753 at 186 miles an hour, and that put me over a half a second above the first place person. Yeah. I think it was Sippl was currently sitting in first at that point in time. I think he was at an 8.0, so I ran a 753, 750-something at that point in time. So I jumped up a bunch. I mean, I was in first by leaps and bounds.

That was in heavyweight, right?

That was in heavyweight. Yes.

You can see the energy of the track, though.

Yeah. Everybody was just like, oh. Yeah. Except for my crew, everyone was, you can see the videos, everyone was excited, everyone was jumping up and down. They're like, holy crap. Like, and that was my PB as well. PB as far as time, PB, the mile per hour.

Now, put your wear and notice for the fastest Camaro.

So, right now, I'm sitting in four for fastest Camaro.

Okay, it was a four? Okay. I think I said three or four when I had Brandon and Tiana. So, okay. That's moving. Yeah.

So, we take that information and we got together, me, Brandon and Wes, we got together and I was like, all right, we don't, like, it's over. We don't even turn the car out. We actually started turning the car down on Sunday. And we went to Billy and we're like, hey, I said, I go, Billy, I did my job. I did all the fab work, all the everything. Brandon goes, I did my job. Wes was like, I did my job. We're like, Billy, go win the race. There's nothing we could do no more. There's nothing, no more coaching. Billy, it was all in Billy's hands. It was all in his hands.

It was lights out. That first pass was so perfect. I remember just watching it filming. You couldn't ask for anything better.

Yeah. And what's cool is people might not know if you go back and look. Friday, the car never ran slower than a seven second pass. It ran seven, seven, seven, seven, seven.

Consistent.

All through Saturday and then the whole entire race on Sunday. It kept running sevens.

Yeah.

Okay, so explain this to me then. So at that point, what was the, before you got the Twin Turbo car, what was the fastest you ever ran?

So my personal investment was a 2650. Maggie was an 850 or 840 something.

Okay.

So right around there, like 170.

It's like mid eights.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. How different is it going into a Twin Turbo car? Was there a learning curve?

Oh my God. It was insane. Like the differences are just night and day difference. I mean, not only just having the trans break and the bump, but just where the power comes on. I mean, with a PD blower, I mean, you got instant torque, right? So you're pretty much gone. With that turbo, when it's spooling up, I mean, I'm going, but that thing got carved back halves. I mean, once that thing gets going, it is freaking gone. And you're holding on like it's a freaking rocket ship. So in the final round, when I raced against Keaton, who's a great guy, we left and we were pretty much right here up until maybe the 330 mark.

And then even before, I think even before then, it was way before then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it just left.

Just run in and just carried it up the back.

Yeah.

We gave Billy a scramble and we're like, yo, whatever it takes, if you blow the motor up, we don't care. If you think he's in your vicinity, grab the scramble. And I think we had like 30 on top of the gate.

Yeah.

And he was already 30, 35 pounds or something, I think. Like that. We're like, just grab it. It'll like it'll take it. Just go. But you never grab the scramble. No, no, no. He's gone. I didn't.

I didn't grab the scramble. And I was actually so confident in that car. If you watch the video in the final round, I actually let Keaton leave first because I didn't want to red light myself by accident. I stayed there for a minute because I knew that car had the power and had the capabilities to run it down regardless of what's going on. So that's why if you watch Keaton leaves and then I leave, I just didn't want to screw myself. I'm like, I'm not going to do this in the final round.

That's the worst way to lose.

That's not how I'm going to lose. So we were going and I looked over, I see him and I'm like about to hit the scramble button because I thought he was, and then I just, just left. I'm like, I'm good with that.

What I love the most too about it is we never touched that car. We put gas in it and air pressure and that's it. We didn't have to, we didn't change the plugs. We did it like gas, air pressure.

Yeah.

That was it.

This year was probably the most consistent in that car was, it had no issues, no failures, nothing broke, no, no Motec. Well, we got Motec once, but, but beyond that, everything else was, was fantastic. I mean, the tuning.

We got Motec because we made too much fuel pressure.

Yeah. Yeah.

So the Motec had a high fuel pressure. So we hit like, I think like 130 or something fuel pressure and it was set to like 120.

Yeah.

And we're like, what is going on? There's no way I, the pump and I always just had to change one little.

Yeah. Yeah. I was one little thing. And then when we went into the finals, Brendan's like, I'm taking every, every safety off this car. Oh, s***. I told him to, I go, I don't care what we do to this car as far as blowing it up, whatever, whatever it takes to win. We're doing it. He goes, I'm taking every safety out then. And it's on you. I'm like, that's fine. I like if I blow the motor, we'll just buy a new one and put it in. I don't care.

So we had a funny like saying with Billy, when I first Billy first came in and I told Brian, I said, yo, money don't win races just to let you know. And I don't care how much money you dump into it. So when we won, I said, all right, money won the race. Money won this time. Money actually won. I was gonna get a shirt that was made. Money got me this win at Texas 2K and give it to Billy.

You gotta get that shirt. You gotta make it happen.

It was all said and done. Everybody did their job. Billy did his job.

Yeah.

He won the race.

Which by the way, I don't know if that trophy is in the camera shot. You want to pull a little closer to you? Yeah, we're just gonna make sure. Right there. Perfect.

And that's mine. They actually, we actually got our own. Yeah.

Yeah, so I had, I contacted Peter about getting some extra trophies made cause I wanted Jay and I wanted Brandon to have a trophy of their own. I mean, they both put in so much time in that card over the past shoot three years, four years. They've been on that car both together, trying to get me to this spot where we want it to be. So Peter authorized the guy that builds these to build me two others. And so I had him put Jayfab on one, I had put Accelerated on the other for them to have. So that way they could have their own trophies. I mean, they were a huge part of this program and get me here. And they're continuing to go and continue to be that for me as well.

Yeah.

We have an old another list of stuff we're going to do now.

Yeah. We got some stuff coming up.

Guys, you're already first. What's going on here?

We know that we now have a target on our back because of how fast we were this year. Because I don't think there was any other heavyweight car that even came close to the time.

I think it was like you said a half second was the next.

Yeah. I think Sibyl had run one 780.

He ran a 780 on Tuesday and never again.

Yeah.

When it was cold.

When it was cold, never again. Yeah.

Good DA. He ran a 780. I don't think he backed that up at all, but I was able to back up that 7 seconds consistently after that.

We heard it from a birdie that some street cars and the street class are going to come back over to heavyweight. So yeah, we're just going to prepare for that.

Okay.

Yeah. There's some people that want to come back over to heavyweight that was not in heavyweight this year.

Interesting. Okay.

Come back because I decided to take the title away from all the Dodge guys. Yeah. Some of the Dodge guys are going to be coming back over to try to reclaim that title. Yeah. Yeah.

So, okay. Class wise, right? This is the other thing to take into consideration. Do you have to worry about rules? Like this whole new list of parts that are coming on, is there anything you get? What are the constraints, I suppose?

So on the heavyweight, it is basically power adder. How many you have, so you can have a single power adder, NA or two power adders. So the class is limited to by weight. So you have to be at least 4,000 pounds, plus or minus 25, they give you a 25 pound grace when you go through the scales, just in case the scales are a little off.

Okay.

So you have to be 4,000 pounds. Turbo size is limited to 72 millimeter.

Okay.

That is one reason why I think there was a Trackhawk that actually entered and their turbo size was larger. So they got dequeued because of their turbo size.

Gotcha.

You have to have crossbolts with the turbo. Beyond that, it's just you have to have it insured, registered, and it has to be a street car to be in that class.

Which he still has radiator. Even though we went to alcohol, we kept everything like he can go drive that car. For a cruise, stock gas tank, everything. Just go.

Yeah. Yeah.

That would be awesome if they implemented that rule. By the way, it's like you have to go drive for a half hour on the street for a street car class.

But back in the day, that's how it used to be.

That's what I heard.

If anyone remembers that. Yeah, it was a 30 minute drive. Like anytime, and then like when you came back, you couldn't open the hood, like anything, you just started racing. That was the true street class back then. But now they call it more like daily driver class, which them dudes are really fast. They're really fast still. Yeah.

I don't think there's a slow class.

My F-150 was gonna get F-150s in a little bit. My F-150 is a daily driver, but it runs like mid fives.

Well, before we get into F-150s, I wanna ask you this, right? Cause it seems like you're very involved, like you're the fab guy, but it looks like you know a little bit about everything, especially if you're working with Brandon. Does this come from your personal racing experience? Like where does all this knowledge come from?

HPP. Yeah, because I was there for so long. So I was even telling my guy, Tom, I had one of the first, we were talking about Holley's this morning, I had one of the first Holley ECU systems for an LS and a Mustang back in 05.

Oh s***.

So I had an LS already in my silver coupe, I should have brought it, he told me to bring it, but I know.

He told you to bring it.

Yeah, I had an LS Turbo 400 with a Holley in 2003. So think about that, 2003, that was still Camaro's like this, that were on the street and I already had a 408 in it and all kinds of stuff. Oh yeah, people had never seen before in their life, I would open the hood and they're like, what the heck is that? It's Corvette motor, back in the day. So that's how far back I go, just with knowledge.

Okay.

When you worked on everything, the dogs, the toys, the boards, your knowledge just goes across the board.

Yeah, there's nothing I don't know how to do on a car or make on a car. There have been times where it's like, what are you gonna do? I'm about to make it. I would make it right in front of them. You're like, holy crap.

Yeah, Jay can.

One thing about this shop, if there's a-

Real quick, get the mic, steal the mic back.

Yeah, one thing about this shop, if there's not a part made for the car, Jay just throws out a pencil and makes it.

I remember my first time being in a fab shop and just like, they didn't have the part, they just made it within an hour and I'm like, what the f-

Yeah.

We're notorious for catch cans or water cans or man. I mean, when you're building a turbo kit, you can build anything.

Yeah.

What's the most intense build you've ever done in your career?

I guess under a time frame, Billy's.

Okay.

Under a time frame. The Street Outlaw cars was a lot.

Okay. What made them a lot?

The amount of work that you put in, like the thought process in it. These cars are making 3,500, 4,000 horsepower. This car behind me will make almost 4,000 horsepower behind me. It's just not about throwing a turbo kit on it and saying, okay, this is what's going to work. Now, the great thing about turbos is, let's say 1,300 and under, I've seen the most ugliest turbo kits ever in my entire life, and turbos don't give a crap. They are going to make the power. They don't care. They really don't. But once you start getting into the 15, the 2,000, the 3,000, 4,000, a lot of thought process goes into it. Primary size of your header tubes, the up pipes, is it 3-inch, 3.5 inches, is it 2.5 inches? Because now you got to think about, how do I spool twin 98s? The motor, it's a big block Chevy, what the cubic inch is. We put a turbo 400 lockup in it. So the thought process at that point goes where, okay, this dude ran XET. Well, we ran this ET because we had a little bit more thought process into it, right? So, cars like this, Pro Mods, Pro Mods is where it really, a lot of stuff comes into play. So, you can see the turbos are back in the firewall, right? Well, I put it on scales. We put the car on scales and I started placing the turbos in different spots of the car. Those turbos are exactly where they need to be. Even if I had that turbo two or three inches forward, it throws the scaling off of the car. Crazy enough, every time someone comes and sees this, this is Wayland, he's called El Cucuy. He's big, he wins a lot of races. Dude, he only street races that car.

That's not a track car, it's a street car.

It's not a track car. Holy s***. It will probably see the track one time, because we'll go. Wayland's been one of my customers for, shoot, like six years. I built every single one of his cars. The same car, the only thing on this car that is his car, El Cucuy, is the quarter panels in the roof. This is completely whole, redone, everything, head to toe on that car. So the amount of time of sitting there, like Park will come in and I'm just like staring at the car and he's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I need to figure out, does this need to be an inch here or an inch here? That's where a lot of time goes into builds like this.

Well, this specific car, you've built half a dozen times already.

Yeah.

This is phase six and it's over the top. So every time he builds the car, it's getting better and faster and better and faster, and you set up. You know, how do we take what worked last time and make it work better this time?

Yeah, exactly. And that's why like Billy's car, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they don't and catastrophic things happen. But also it's why Billy's car went so smooth. I spend so much time and thought process into where everything is, how is it gonna work? But the biggest part is I used to be a mechanic. And I'm like, and Billy's car, he has two and a quarter header primaries. I don't know if that's big. I can change the spark plugs in 10 minutes. So it's just little stuff like that, being a mechanic, knowing that, and then being a FabBuy and knowing, okay, I'm gonna have to work on this car and I'm gonna have to take this off. How easy and how fast can I do it? But still, is it gonna be efficient for how much power that the car needs to make?

It's gotta be functional and maintainable.

Yeah, at the same time.

Okay, what's the most difficult part when you're trying to envision a car like this where every bend matters? What's the most difficult part?

Headers.

Headers?

Headers. Headers is the most difficult because it's the most compact, crazy stuff going on. After that, it's the turbos where it's at, the downpipes are gonna go where they go, because you kind of, you set everything up on a car, me, I do, based off of the headers. Where does the, is the header gonna come forward? Is it gonna come backwards? Is it gonna come out from the side? And then after that, then you start figuring out everything else after that.

Okay, what about when it comes to designing? Are you a CAD guy? You got a little cardboard cutout? It's like, how does that, man, it's all up in here.

You wouldn't believe it if you saw it happen.

Call me, it's all in my head.

Okay.

It's all, it was, I never had done this. You'll check it out. One day, I made like a short, and I literally take this piece, it's the last piece on, and I go, click, click, and it's like perfect. It's literally like, sometimes I don't even use it. I think Billy Seaman, I like put my fingers up. And I'm like, okay, we're good. But I mean, I just done this for so long. I see all these guys, and man, I'm not knocking y'all, please don't hate me or, you know, put some comments in your deals. They have like all these like Legos, and they're building headers out of these Legos. And I'm like, homie, I would have built the header by the time you built that Lego.

By the time they made their Lego setup, he's already got a thing built.

Yeah, so that to me is just like wasted time. But again, if I was starting off like doing fab, it's a great idea, so I'm not knocking it. I just been doing this, this is all I've ever done.

Yeah, for what, 20 years at this point? How long have you been fabbing officially?

Yeah, like 23, 24 years somewhere in there. Yeah, I was like 17. So Tom, y'all can't see Tom over here, my guy. He had a goofy Honda, what was it? A Tiburon and I was like 16 years old building his downpipe at another shop for another guy at this point. So it just goes way far back, way far back. Even when I was a kid, my mom used to always tell me she would give me stuff and I would like take it all apart and I would put it back together just to see what I could do or fab it or do whatever. And she said, every time I'd put it back together something had changed, but it changed because of how you wanted that part or toy to play with. So I've always had, it's the vision, right? Like you know, quarterbacks have a vision of like the field or a race car driver, formula one cars, they have that vision of like the truck. When it came down to just making stuff, like just making it, I've always had the vision that it was in here and it just, it went to here.

It's fun to watch some days, you know, you come in and he starts with just like a plate on the head and he just goes to work, man, and he starts cutting and welding and before you know it, he's like, man, that looks pretty impressive, dude.

Is it so, what's next for the business side of things then? Do you scale this? Do you get a guy to help you in the future or do you just like being like tinkering in here yourself?

So, I have a mechanic, he's a full-time mechanic, his name is Brian. Me and him have been together, like I've known him for 30 years. So he's my boy. He's old fart. He's like 57. He's crazy in the head. I love him to death, but he's my mechanic because I always get, you know, random, hey, will you do a clutch or do a trans? And he's really helped me in the F-150 world. We can get into that later. But I've always felt something, and I think my customers, which Billy is a customer, so he like kind of understands, Park was my customer at 1.2. I don't have a $15 an hour guy working on your car. It's me working on your car. So when I build a turbo kit and when I do something, you came to me because of the skill because of a picture you saw on Facebook or you saw a car at the track and you're like, holy cow, like Jay like did that. It's not like some kid working on your car. When it comes to me, it's actually Jayfab working on your car. And I've always just left it at that. I don't, this is where I've learned. I don't want to get bigger. I like it. If people want to wait for me, they're going to get an awesome product and they're going to get my whole heart. Everything that I build, like this car or that car, I look at it, if it was my car. Would I do this on my car and I build it like it's mine? And I think that's where the customers love it the most. And then obviously I'm like five months out right now and they appreciate the work and they'll wait for it. And I'm blessed with that too as well. It still blows my mind coming out of my garage and coming to even this, it's only 1800 square feet, but I love it to death. I wouldn't, he's told me, let's get a bigger shop. I'm like, nah, I learned from other shops. I'm not going to do it because corners start getting cut and you get more volume and you start hiring these guys that are good, but it's not my good. It's not to my quality.

We have a certain level of perfection and it's just hard to match.

You don't want to be in QuickBooks two hours a day, running payroll and all that.

Yeah, exactly. So I, again, Billy, Billy spent a lot of freaking money with me, but when he won that race, I would assume I've never asked him, he probably said in his head, like, this was worth it.

Oh, run that mic back. Hold on, there's your customer testimonial.

Yeah, I mean, just the quality that Jay puts out in the time and effort and the love into the car. I mean, that's why I'm still here. And that's why I only trust Jay and Brandon with my cars because they actually care. And so, they build cars like it's their own. They don't cut corners. Everything is basically perfect on any of these cars that they do. So yeah, the fab work on there. When I saw the turbo kit, when he got done with it, I was like, that is a work of art. It was insane.

And Billy seen me do something to his car and I don't like it, and I will cut it back off of his car and I'll remake it. And that's my month, like that's my time. I don't charge him for that. It's just again, like where I put myself and my standards, my standards need to be high because again, I'm still blown away for the blessings that I get to work on cars like Billy's or like this Pro Mod. And so I give it, you know, 100% of my all towards it.

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F-150s.

Okay, we've been talking about F-150s. Let's talk F-150s. Does this come from a personal love or is it just because you see they're awesome where they're at now?

So I'll tell you a story. There's a good story behind it. Um, 21, roughly 2021, Park buys the F-150 and he brings it and I'm like, what the heck did you buy that for? And he's like, no, we're going to like do this and do this and do this.

And I'm like, yeah, technically I had a leftover blower from another truck.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I bought a two wheel drive F-150 single cab and I showed up and I said, we're going to make this thing b*****. And he's like, what?

It's a freaking truck. Do I come from cars and Mustangs? I'm like, it's a stupid freaking truck. Nobody wants this truck. So we build it and it makes like great power for a blower. And I drive it and I come back and I'm like, oh my God, this is like really fun.

It was a good time.

Yeah. It was a good time. So it was an interesting part is like, I never drove it again. Park sells the truck. And over the like 22, 23, 24, we start seeing these dudes midnight, right? Midnight performance. And we, I start seeing these trucks and parks like, man, look at these trucks. So we're, I start following F-150s and the end of 23, Parker comes to me and he's like, hey, let's go to Ford. Let's order 20, 24 trucks. And I'm like, man, I'm not going to buy no truck. And he's like, no, dude, we got to do it. Like let's go buy it. Let's go order the trucks. And I'm like, no bro, like you do it. And again, at this point, I don't need business. I'm still four and five months out on work. I do turbo kits and all that stuff. I don't need it. So he goes, he orders his. Sure enough, I think like eight months later, we go pick it up. So we get in the truck and we're driving it and stuff. And I go, man, let me look underneath this truck. So I look underneath the truck and I go, yo.

Well, this is a four-wheel drive truck, by the way.

Single cab four-wheel drive truck. And I'm like, hey, hold on. When me and Park first started, I was a big believer in everything is custom per car. There's no car I've ever done that's the same. I don't make jigs to mass produce. I've never been a believer in that because I always wanted the customer to feel that when they spent that much money, they're getting something personally that I made for them, right? So that had always been in my mind of doing that because I knew that when I would do these trucks, they would be a cookie cutter kit, right? So when I get on a truck, I look, I'm like, Park, I can build a turbo kit for this.

Put them underneath.

We can put them underneath the truck and go to town. So there was no tuning out.

Well, do you want to back that up?

Yeah.

So we did a Gt500 the year before.

Yes.

And the owner was like, I want a Twin Turbo Gt500. So we said, okay, let's figure this out. So we put Twin Turbos underneath the Gt500, cut the intake, kept it, built this b***** car. And that's kind of what led him to this, let's do a bottom mount turbo kit for the truck.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. That's what you're right. A hundred percent, actually it's sitting over there torn apart and I have the car in storage for a football player, Matt Pryor. So I look under and I'm like, yo, like I can, like we can do this, but there was no tuning available. So for the 2425, for the 2425. So we put it on pause. And at the end of 24, I started doing like Whipple jobs, like on F-150s, because at that point, only Whipple would give you a tune for a 24 truck, right? If you remember that, the whole like up war about these F-150s. So again, my experience and my knowledge going back to back in the day, I go to park, I go, yo, I can trick this freaking computer. And he's like, what do you mean? I was like, I know Whipple has access to the computer, but I can change this and I think we can run like eight or nine pounds of boost on a stock tune with me tricking certain aspects of it. So he's like, bro, let's do it. So I was like, all right, I'm gonna find a truck. So 24, the truck process.

I've got mine, we drove it to basically go pick up his.

Yeah, so his, you couldn't get a truck at all at this point. They were hard. And I spent like three months trying to find a truck. And I called my boy Dalton. I worked on his Mustang. He's a manager at a Ford dealership. And I said, bro, find me a truck.

We were trying to find a 24.

24, yeah. And he's like, dude, it's impossible. He's like, you're gonna have to order a truck.

A 25.

And I'm like, dang it, man. So I was like, fine, let's order a 25 truck. So I put an order on for a blue one, all the features that I wanted. And he's like, all right, bro, like see you in like seven months. And I'm like, son of a gun. I was like, all right, it is what it is. Then at the same time, this full Billy shows up with a blue F-150 truck.

With a Whipple on it.

With a Whipple on it. And so I was like, sweet, let's get into this. So we all had, you know, F-150s. So my guy calls me three weeks later and he goes, yo, this guy backed out, it's black. I was like, I'll be there in fricking 30 minutes. Showed up, bought the truck.

So now we have two trucks.

Now we have two trucks.

Okay.

And then like, I go to my wife and I go, hey, I'm about to spend a lot of money, but I think it's gonna pay itself out. And she's like, all right, like, what are you thinking? I'm like, man, it's like 25 grand. And she's like, all right, I trust you. Like, do it. I buy wheels, all the turbos. Suspension. Freaking TBM brakes. I buy everything. Intercoolers. My truck had 380 miles and I pull the motor out. Take it to Gary Oaks. He puts them out. Dude, there's no tuning. So I sound insane when I'm doing this, but I knew I could trick the freaking computer.

Well, we're telling everybody, hey, we're gonna do this. And they're like, why are you doing this?

Yeah, I started like showing an intercooler and turbos and stuff like that. And everyone that follows me, they're like, no way, we're on a bunch of F-150 pages and stuff. And they're like, man, you're nuts. And I'm getting people literally cussing me out. I can't tune that thing. How stupid I am. And I'm like, all right, just watch. So I literally took three weeks off and I built my whole entire truck. Put twins on it, freaking went out ripping on it. And I started blasting it all over that.

We're making videos going to lunch.

Yeah, making videos going to lunch, making booths and everything. Like, what the heck is going on? You must have like cracked the computer. And I'm like, no, I just, I know how to do like certain things. And then kapoof.

Everybody thought we were buying whipples.

I became the third biggest F-150 shop in all of the United States. There's Midnight, there's Coyote Direct, and then there's me. And right now I'm blown. But I love it. I love the F-150s. Like my truck outside makes 1,300 horsepower. It's nuts. But go back. So I make three kits for people and I install them. Going back to a jig, I will not make a jig. Every Twin Turbo truck that you want for me, I'm going to build it on the truck.

It's not a pre-cut. You drop your truck off, you build it to your truck.

I don't care what they say. These F-150 kits are coming from China. I'm not getting my stuff from China. All my stuff is American made. It's vibrant piping. Unless vibrant's getting it for China, fine. Whatever it may be, but all my stuff is American made.

Yeah, manufactured here, all that stuff.

Yes, exactly. It's all my stuff is here. Comp Turbos are my sponsorship on those. My guy Ernie up there, I get all my kits come with Comp Turbos. Everything is manufactured in the United States and I was really a big believer. Again, I want the best that I could do and for the product that I'm going to give to people. I built three kits and it started getting out. Holy crap, Jayfab figured out how to make eight pounds of boost on a stock computer.

These are our personal trucks. We built our trucks, we're out hot rodding them and people were like, what the heck are you guys doing?

This is another thing that I did and Billy knows it, Park knows it. My truck was the guinea pig. We went rounds and rounds with my truck. Nope, this didn't work. Nope, that didn't work. Oh man, this worked. So whenever I sell, now I have stage one, stage two, stage three kits on these trucks. I do everything head to toe, transmission, I build my own converters.

Go through that actually. So what is stage one? Let's start with that.

Yeah, so stage one kit is my Twin 6467 comps. You know who Ron Sheerfab is?

No, I personally don't.

He's a big like intercooler guy, does a lot of air to waters, air to air, high quality like stuff, Garrett cores. It's the best, you want the best intercooler, any air to air, any water, you go to Ron Sheerfab.

Okay.

Like that's what he's known for. Ron Sheerfab, 1500 horsepower intercooler. And then all, like I said, stainless steel piping, aluminum piping. It comes with spark plugs, a Gt500 map sensor, a tune by Rob Shoemaker. You know who Rob Shoemaker is. So me and Rob hooked up, he does that. I go through Pickle Performance. They do, it's a really good situation that me and Rob and Josh have. Obviously, I don't have time to do the tuning, do the driveability. So I take my trucks to Josh.

Okay.

Josh goes through, he does all the tuning, the logging, the street tuning and the dino. Brings it back to me. I give you, here's your truck, stage one, 700 horsepower to the wheels.

Okay.

And that's turbo kit, spark plugs, tune, three-bar map sensor. That's everything a stage one includes.

And it bolts up to your stock exhaust or you can put it at your market exhaust on it if you want.

It's stock exhaust, 14.7 out the door.

Wow, okay.

Tax style everything, 14 grand, 700 dollars. So let's just put that into a perspective of something, right? So I'm going to give you 700 to the wheels. If you want to go buy a stage two Whipple, that's 10 grand. It's about 15 to 1800 dollars to put on. So you're up at, let's say, 12 grand. You would have to get headers, you would have to get a tune, and you have to get a pulley to get to that. You're almost 20 grand. And I'm 14.7, installed, out the door, tax title license, everything. So that has been my biggest marketing strategy that you do. Okay.

What's the power difference between the two?

Oh, I don't make 700. Like the Whipple will make 700, but you're spending 20 grand.

Yeah, okay. So say, apples to apples power wise. Apples to apples.

Now, if you just bought a stage two Whipple and put it on the truck with the Whipple tune, it's gonna make 575.

Oh, okay, yep, yep.

You take mine, you're gonna make 700. So to get to 700 with a Whipple, you have to do all these other adding things to get to where mine is. But this is the perfect part. My stage one, which it would go in stages, I build it, the cap, well, let's put it this way, a Whipple cap, you can make 525 with like a 4.0 pulley from Whipple stage one. And if you max it out, thrill pulley, built motor, everything, 1100. And dude, you're like stressing the crap out of that blower.

Right.

My cap, 1600.

Okay.

So I'm giving you a turbo kit that can make 500, or you can make 1600.

You can kind of grow with it.

You can grow with it, yep. You'll do a built trans, a built converter, built motor down the road, and then you can get to 1600. You're not buying a stage one whipple, then you got to do the stage two whipple, and then you got to do the crank support, you got to do the headers, and you got to do all of this stuff to get to that. I'm literally giving you that in my stage three. So we'll go to stage two.

Okay.

Stage two basically is just a boost controller. Boost leach is what I run with an onboard air system, and that's like basically an air compressor instead of CO2, if anyone knows that. On my stage two, I do a trans cooler that I mount in the back with a trans filter. The trans filter in these 10R80s is like humongous because the 10R80s is going to go out. They're known for that. But as they're going out and that clutch material is like eating away, I catch it with my filter instead of it going back into the trans and getting to all these little crevices and silo noise and stuff like that. So my Stage 2 is 18-7 out the door and you get the boost controller, the install, all push lock fittings from Vibrant, no vacuum hoses and stuff like that. It's all quality stuff. Trans cooler with the fan, double trans cooler that I mount in the back with the filter adapter, all AN lines and a fuel system. So my fuel system, all these people have triple pump set ups and they're like five grand for the triple pump set up, all the lines, all the everything. I'm like 2,300 bucks with FIC 1000s. So again, I come from ZL1 world and Corvette world and I think you might know the company, is it DX?

D-X-X.

D-X-X. So they do the standalone fuel pumps, right? Well, F-150 has 16 injectors technically. You have high side, high ID, and then you have your regular port injection. So I'm like, wait a minute. I don't got to do this like big crazy fuel system and a return on all the stumps and do what I do. Unfriggin all the ZL1s and Corvettes I did back in the day. So I take a Holley brushless pump, I tap a hole into the gas sink in the back and I mount it in the back. My truck right now has that pump ID 1300s, and fuel lines from Snow Performance and all A& fittings, and I make over 1300s.

Okay.

For $2300.

When we had it on the dyno, the tuner was like, I think there's a problem, there's too much fuel pressure.

Yeah, I was like, bro, it's fine, don't worry about it. Yeah, I was like 110, it's never gonna run out of fuel, and I was like, because they didn't want to tune it, they wanted me to do a return style fuel system. I was like, homie, this is my truck, if it blows up, don't worry about it. I know it's gonna work, it's the same thing I do in ZL1s. And when he did that, he was like, holy crap.

I've never seen fuel pressure like this.

Yeah, so let's go back to now, you wanna take a Whipple and make, my stage two is 850 to the wheels. The reason why I stop at 850, your trans cannot take it.

Gotcha, okay.

It's gonna blow up.

You don't know much about a 10 speed, heat kills a 10 speed, and the hotter you get them, the quicker they die.

Yeah, so power's gonna kill it. So I stop at 850. Now you get to a Whipple, and now you gotta do a fuel system. So let's say you do the other people's fuel system, Snow Performance, that's another like five grand. So now you're, I'm 18, I think 18.7 or 18.4 out the door. And remember to get to 700, you were still at 20 grand, right? So now I'm still under 20 grand to make 850 with E85 and a fuel system, everything out the door ready to go. Now you got to spend another five grand and install for a Whipple to make 850. So now you're like 25 grand, right? So that's my 850. My stage three kit is my built 10R80 and my converter.

When you say you're built 10R80, you're doing that in house or?

I don't do it in house. My guy does it for me.

Okay, so you have a guy.

But it's mine specifically, he only sells it to me. And I have, I guess you could say the patner, the trademark.

He only builds them for us.

He only builds them for us.

Okay, so you got your 10R80 and then?

My built converter. So I have my own converter made through another guy. Same thing there specifically to me. I've had people try to call him, don't call him because he ain't gonna do it. It's Mike Reeves from Freak Show. If you know who that is, he's out of Abilene, does a lot of race car stuff. So basically what I did is I went to all my race car guys and my trans, his name's Nate, a hydrostar here in Dallas. And I go, hey Nate, it's a 10R80. Like he just did this lockup trans that will make 4,000 horsepower. Tell me you can't build this trans. So again, I'm the guinea pig. He took my 10R80, he researched it, did everything. And so far we're shoot 20 transmissions in, zero issues.

What's the common, why can't you push the 10R80? What's the failure point in them?

The F-clutch is the overdrive clutch. So when they did the 10th speed, all the gear ratios are all like a little funky, like how they are. And what ends up happening is like you get into seventh and eighth gear when you're going like 150 through a quarter mile or even like eighth mile to 130 or whatever that it is. So it just, it can't, there's only so many clutch. I don't want to say how many, because I forget. There's only so many clutch packs. So what you do is you go in there and you add like two more clutch packs to the F-clutch, or you do higher temperature clutch material on it. So we do all Suncoast. So we get a Suncoast kit and that's what my guy puts it in is he puts it in there and so far like zero issues.

He checks everything. He makes sure everything's perfect before it's assembled. He doesn't just toss it from the box and go in there and say, hey, it's built. No, he actually measures everything, checks it.

It really stinks that the industry is like this is because he calls me, he's like, yo dude, we got to buy another like training kit. I'm like, why? He goes, dude, the steels and the clutches are all different sizes and I can't get my clearances that I need for each clutch pack that goes in it. And I'm like, okay, here we go. So I pay for it and he does it. But that truck, I've had it in my truck for a year, making over a thousand, now I make 13. Zero problems with the Transbrake. But again, it's like me. I go to people that want to work like me.

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He takes all the pride. His name is Nate. And he takes all the pride in the world with how he builds his transmissions. Freak Show, Mike Reeves, my converter, same thing. Sent it to him, open it up. Hey, this is what I think we need to do. I know converters. This is what I think we need to do to it. He did his thing. He sent it to me, put it in my truck. Boom, ready to go. Now, and I'll tell everyone right now, we have broke our converters, me and him, but we make like 1300 now. So we have exceeded the limit of that converter. And now we're going to go into another converter for that, you know, power range. And a lot of people, a lot of companies will hide that and not say, oh no, my converters are not breaking, which everyone knows they are. So that's another thing is like, I will tell you, well, my converter breaks at that power level. We, you got to go to this converter and do this one.

Okay. So to go back to the stage, you say you have the converter and you have the trans or just sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

Stage three.

Yeah.

Stage three. Yep.

Is there anything else that goes into stage three at that point or is transmission converter? That's it.

I give you a thousand horsepower to the wheels.

Okay. Gotcha. How do we get to 1300? And is that just you being the guinea pig?

Okay.

That's what the stock motor. That's how good these Gen 4, Gen 3 motors are in the Mustangs and the trucks. They take a thousand, no problem.

Correct.

Billy makes 950 or 960 stock motor.

And he's on a Whipple.

He's on a Whipple. Yeah. We maxed him out. He needs a motor and then he's maxed out. But Billy's good. I tell him, leave that truck alone. Yeah.

Okay.

Are we going to go turbo soon?

Yeah.

So what's next then? What are you trying to push the F-150s even further? Like we're not going to get.

Yeah, so I went out. I went out three months ago and I run a 565 at 126. That's up there around the fastest ET for F-150.

Like full-weight street truck.

For real. I don't like my tailgate's still on and my bumpers are on. I don't know if you've seen these. They have no bumpers and no tailgates.

They're at least 4,500 pounds.

There's a KERKE seat in it. Like I drove to the truck. I weighed 4603. I ran a 560 at 126 and drove that sucker home.

On slicks.

On slicks.

So that's an eighth mile. Have you done any quarter mile stuff yet?

I haven't done quarter mile.

Most F-150 guys are eighth mile guys, aren't they?

And I don't think I will. Man, quarter mile is really hard on stuff. And again, what's going to end up happening is I'm going to get into that seventh and eighth gear.

That 10 speed is going to cook.

And that 10 speed and it's not going to like it. So I kind of, I stay away from quarter mile times.

Okay.

But like, for instance, you know, 60 to 130 times? Are you familiar with those?

The Draggy.

My truck did a 424.

Okay.

60 to 130. It's like, that's GTR.

Yeah.

Getting up there. And that's what no rolling anti-lag. If I had rolling anti-lag, oh man.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's no rolling anti-lag.

Are you just like break boosting at that point?

No, I don't even break boosting.

Okay. Or I guess, okay, when we're talking 6130.

A couple of edits on the boost leash and let it go.

Yeah. I make my hit around 48 to 52 miles.

Gotcha.

Okay.

I was gonna say, like you come in steam rolling. Okay.

Well, okay. Maybe we could talk about this. This is off-subject of that.

Sure.

I am new to this 60 to 130 thing, right? So I'll go to the draggy chat and I will see people that do like their eighth mile hit from start to finish, right? And they'll post their 60 to 130. And I'm like, wait a minute. You had a running start. So then I'll see people, oh, that's so fast. So fast. And then some of us will say, no, that's not a real 60 to 130. You need to start from here. So I'm getting so many different confusing conflicts between that 60 to 130.

I think everybody just starts just below 60.

That's what I figured.

Yeah. If you want a lower IQ, just go to the Draggy Forum, man. It's so bad.

Yes. Yes, it is.

It's GTD versus ZL1 talk in there now anyway.

Yes.

The debates are ridiculous.

My thing is like, no, your 60 to 130 time is not correct when you started from a dead stop. I legitimately think if you start, like I said, 45 to 55 miles an hour and then you start, and then that's a legit 60 to 130. If you want to get super legit, you start at 59 miles an hour or whatever.

But yeah, it depends who you ask. But I think ultimately it's like if the number is there, right?

Yeah.

Because if you're going to go eighth mile racing, you're going to look at your 60 to 130 from a dig anyway. Yes. Do you think that's a fair representation of that then?

I don't think because you're from a dig. You have so much momentum. You're coming in hot as heck because you have so much. Yeah. I think you got to be... And I think I could be wrong, but maybe as a group we could come to this conclusion. The reason why you have this 60 to 130 is because people are roll racing. Right? When you're roll racing, right? So you are at least 30 to 60 miles an hour when you start the race on the street. And I think that's where this 60 to 130 ET starts. You're coming to play. If you're in Michigan or wherever, and like, hey, fool, I'll smoke you because I did a 430 and you only did a 530. So you can race each other with your draggy times state to state.

Right?

Or you can pump people out because you run a certain time.

Real roll racing events, they have a speed limit you have to get to specifically where you bust out. So like there are rules to real 60, 130.

Yeah. You can't go too slow and you can't go too fast.

Sure. Yeah.

So that's where I stand. I'm new to it.

We stick with the rules.

Yeah.

So yeah, the F-150 stuff's gone crazy over the last year and a half.

If I go like a fast 60 to 130 from a desktop, I'll post that crap up in the heartbeat.

No, exactly. No, you know who you should talk to. I mean, you got his stuff on your F-150, Kelly Aiken.

Yes.

He's got that s*** dialed. Yes.

So I have his shocks. Like, oh my God.

That made a big difference.

That was a freaking gigantic.

That's when you ran the 565.

Yes, I ran 565. So I did for truck is extremely good. I haven't seen like, I'm sure there's faster ones, but a real street truck, little OJ went a 135, six foot. I went a 134, six foot dude in a 4,000 pound, 46. That's freaking getting it. Like I'm really, every time I do something to these F-150s and I do so because I come from these worlds, like my Mustang runs 480s at the track, right? And I'm like, holy cow, this is nuts what these four wheel drive trucks like can do. And we haven't, I have not felt I've gotten to that limit of where like, okay, this is, this is it. I really think I can run like a 540, a 550 and drive it home. And that's freaking insane.

That's awesome. Yeah.

It's insane. Yeah.

Well, in anything we do, we just keep taking it as far as we can go.

Yeah.

We'll get to one level and go, all right, we need to keep going.

Yeah. So when do we get Billy into heavyweight with a, with an F-150 Bill and what's going on?

Billy's trying to tell me to get into F-150. He's like, yo, put your F-150 in it. I'm like, I'm not running quarter mile.

I don't think I've seen any F-150s at Texas 2K. There was one that broke. Coyote Direct, right?

Jotec. Jotec had a white one. But it broke. Actually, Billy was supposed to race him first round.

He broke.

Yeah.

Yeah, he broke. Probably had it done already.

Yeah, that's why I was so close to getting ready.

Yes.

Okay. Yeah, cause I know, cause I've seen David's brought his stuff out there too, right? He's pretty fast as well, right? Do you work out? Do you collaborate with these other guys as much?

So, Midnight Knows Me, I have never talked to Manuel. I don't know how good of a relationship we would have. Like if we talked, I think like, I know he's gotten kind of mad at a couple of people. It's like some people going to be like, I think someone called me like the F-150 King at one point or something.

I'd be offended if he's got these doing some stupid s***.

Yeah. So like he like laughed at it. And even in one of the posts, like he had posted that green truck with the gold wheels. So I love that thing. And I said, I said, man, you're the F-150 King. I'm just the F-150 guy, people. So I even put myself under it. And I do because they have that crap on lock. I give them all respect in the world for what they do. So then I have Coyote Direct, I feel a second, which is Dave. I've talked to him a couple of times, not like in person, just over a message, even like last week. So I'm going to put a Suncoast bolt together converter in my truck. And I hit him up and I said, hey bro, you're the only person that, you're the only person I know that makes the power that I make or beyond me for sure. I don't have a sleeve block. I still have, I have rods and pistons, but no sleeves. So I'm really already pushing that level of like cracking the block in half or whatever, the sleeves break. But I was like, hey bro, like what's your experience with, you know, the Suncoast, I see little OJ. Now Manuel is saying all about, you know, both together. And they've gone through every converter company there is and they're all breaking everything. And Dave like instantly hit me back. He's like, yeah bro, I got them in five trucks. They're all flawless.

Like, awesome.

OK, OK, sweet. So yes, we do. I we do. But in a sense, too, we're still all, I guess you could say, in competition with each other at the same time.

It's crazy, though, like one of the things I'm noticing, especially down here in Texas, actually, every single episode I've asked, like, who do you collaborate with? And it's like direct competitors, like they all kind of work together. It's pretty sweet.

Yeah. So and then that's the same with me and Brandon, right? Like, I know my field of work and he knows his field of work. And we work really good together, you know, shop. There's so, as you see, every time you come down here, there's so much work. Every shop can be full and be backed up. And I don't know if it's ever gonna run out because the, like, Texas is so big.

And yeah, racing performance in Texas is awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys got a full year of, listen, I come from Minnesota. We only have half a year.

We shut down for like two weeks. And then other than that, we're good to go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because your summers get, is that basically when you get shut down is in the summers?

No, we just go race at night. Well, when the sun goes down, we just go race.

So we kind of offset that too. I don't know if you are you familiar with interchillers?

FIC chillers.

So force induction interchillers. So we started putting interchillers in vehicles down here. So like a lot of supercharged cars, he's got one. I got one. He's got one. So we basically rip off the AC system and we cool the motor. So our air intake temps in the middle of summer was 100 degrees out of 35.

So basically the system uses your existing AC system on the car and it goes through another system that has water running through it or coolant that cools down like your supercharger. So we did it with our twin kits. We went to air to water and we do it. So like you said, it'll be like 105 outside, but my air intake temps are 50 degrees. So I make my own DA. That's what you could say.

Yeah, okay, that helps a lot. Well, and the nights get a lot cooler here too, which helps.

Yeah, I'll still say 100.

It's still 100, but at least it sounds loud. But if you got the inner chiller on, you run around here at night, man, the truck doesn't know any difference.

Okay, so what's next for you then? What's the next year, two, three years look like?

What's next is sitting out front.

The Z06.

So what's next? Just like the F-150 market, we saw that, we recognized it and we ran with it. And then, I don't know, a couple of months ago, we're sitting in the shop just like this, BSing, and we're looking at our phones and it goes-

No, it goes farther back.

Well, the idea goes farther back.

Look, so Parker, like two years ago, I'm looking at a Z06 and I'm like, stop it, bro. There's no tuning, like leave it alone. So through two years, she kept like three months, four months. I'm looking at a Z06, stop it. I'm looking at a Z06, stop it, bro. Looking at a Z06, stop it, bro. And then it was like a Wednesday when the tuning dropped.

HP tuners announces, hey, we've cracked the Z06, the Corvette, you can tune them out.

He comes over, I'm looking at a Z06, stop, bro. He goes, tuning's available. Okay, let's do it. It was like instant, let's do it. I called Brandon, Brandon, tuning's out? Sure is, what are you gonna do? He goes, oh, you're gonna do it, aren't you? And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna build a twin kit for it. And I'm gonna do it, say mass produce it. I'm gonna do the same thing I did with the F-150, I'm gonna do to the ZL6. That's the next thing. Okay.

So our idea was to bridge the gap for somebody that can't afford to find a ZR1, we're gonna build you one that's better than a ZR1.

Okay, any reason why you didn't just do it with like a Stingray or something?

Man, that 5.5 liter motor is just incredible.

Okay.

The ZL6 is a different animal.

Yeah. And I think too, I think people can get mad at me if you want. The person that buys a ZL6 is not the person that buys like an E-Ray or a Stingray.

A Stingray.

A Stingray, yeah. So I wanted to kind of market that type of person with that and...

It's just an incredible blessing.

That's the best way. Yeah, it's the best way I can explain it. Like we got a price in mind or I have a price in mind that I've talked with him about and it's like way lower than like everybody else's. So that's what I'm trying to target. That's what I do with the F-150s. I'm so much lower in price than everyone else. And the reason why is because I'm doing it. I don't have five people doing it and the overhead and everything else. So like when for you and your company, when you do it, you're not, imagine if you had to pay three other people to go edit all these videos, right? You're like, man, this is stupid. I can't afford this. But when you do it, it's time isn't free, but it kind of is at the same time.

Yeah, it depends.

Yeah, you right.

I get it.

Yeah. So for me, I'm going to go and I'm going to develop, you know, a kit and I'm going to do it the same way. Do the F-150. I'm going to make my intercooler. I'm going to send it to Ron Sheerfab. He's going to mass produce it for me. Like I've got five intercoolers upstairs that he sends to me like every three months because that's how many Turbo kits. I have six Twin Turbo kits in line right now. And Zach, ECU master sees one of them. And his is next. So I have all of those lined up and it's just me doing it. So that's how we're going to attack the Z06 world. And what I love the most is Brandon is going to be our tuner. So again, collaborating with another shop, they do really good at what they do and I do. And we're excited to be able to do that with Brandon.

Yeah. I mean, if you look at a ZR1, it costs you 200 grand. Who can afford a $200,000 car? You can get a base model Z06 for 100 grand.

Yeah.

So that really makes it, it opens the market.

If you can throw a lot of people. If you can throw 50 grand at it.

And we can throw a turbo kit on it, do what we do, true Jayfab style, we take something, make it better. You can afford it, but you can make more power than a ZR1.

Right, yeah.

So we're just going to do what GM did to do it better.

Yeah. That's going to be awesome to see where that goes. Have you torn it apart and looked under there already?

Yeah, I already got the idea.

All the parts are sitting in house. We're just waiting to clear some space so we can get to work.

Okay. So did they unlock TCU tuning with that as well yet or not quite?

I don't think that's fully unlocked yet, but that's got the DCT transit.

I think they're good up until like 1000 or 1200, whatever foot pounds, something like that.

Again, we're going to have a base model turbo kit. If you want to make 1000, it's going to live.

It's easy because those things make like 580 to 600 NA. So we're only going to put like 5 pounds of boost to that thing. You don't need a boost controller. Yeah, you don't need a boost controller. A little bit of a fuel system. The same thing I'm going to do to these F-150s that I did, the ZL1s, and make a package to where you can come pick up 1000 horsepower, ZL6 for roughly 40 to 50 grand.

Like anything else, it's going to be upgradable. If you want to go to stage two, there's going to be a stage two at some point. If you want to go to stage three and make 1500, that's when the transmission will come out.

And that's when hopefully Motec is on that, and then we take it to ARS, and it's a party.

And man, I really want, I hope Motec comes out with F-150 stuff.

There's still not stuff for that? Yeah, I guess I've never seen it before.

I heard they're working on it.

I know a guy that does, well, I'm sure you know Chud up in Michigan. He's got the link on his, and then I don't know, what's the other go to?

But are they controlling the 10 speeds?

That's, I have no idea.

That's the part I think.

There's a 400 in there.

I see. See, Motec has already for a Coyote, but they don't have anything to control the 10R8.

Okay, I see what you're saying now.

That's the thing. Once that, I'm like, I like, God dog, get 20 grand later. But it goes, Motec's expensive. But I want to be, like I tune my own Holley, I tune my own vehicles, and it drives me nuts that I have to rely on somebody else to like do something to my truck.

Make edits and stuff.

So once the Motec comes out, or like it's, so FuelTech does it though too. I can go buy a FuelTech and do it, but.

Put a Turbo 400 in a truck and let it work.

But the Motec, the gangsters thing about Motec is like Billy's and brand and parks are like, all of them, they're piggybacks. So all your gauges work, everything factory works. FuelTech, you have to have the FuelTech monitor and like nothing works because it's literally a standalone system. Motec integrates that into your existing car that you own and do it like the Gt500. It has a Motec on it as well and I just did a piggyback and like kaboom, all the gauges, everything works perfect. That's what I want. I street drive my stuff. Yeah.

It's like, how standalone do you want to get?

Yes, exactly. So when Motec drops, it's going to be like, hopefully the right product. Yeah.

You dropped something there. Have you done any like Gt500 builds then? Twin Turbo Gt500?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I know that's common to go Motec. Who's the coder?

Didn't we do a YouTube video on the Gt500 build?

Yes, I got a. So my YouTube, I didn't even talk about that. Jayfab Performance is my YouTube. You could check like I have the Gt500 on there and all my builds are on there. The last like, I think a year, a couple of years, a couple, maybe two years I've been doing or one year or whatever. But yeah, the Gt500 is on there and it's Motec.

And that was a fun build. When that thing was done, that was incredible.

Yeah, yeah. Like man, just the traction control, everything that is involved at the Motec is.

Still on the 20s, it was incredible.

It's freaking gangster.

Yeah, that thing was fun.

Okay, I was going through your Instagram. I saw that LMP car. What's the story with that thing?

The LMP car, bro, oh my God. And I might be getting more of those. So I couldn't believe this. It really shocked me. You know who 21st Century is?

I don't know, 21st Century Fox or?

They've been around for a long time.

Yeah, right, 21st, Lingenfelter. You know Lingenfelter?

Yeah, I've had them on, yeah.

So John Page had connections with Lingenfelter. I think Lingenfelter is in Michigan, right?

Yeah, yep.

So they started a shop down here, I mean decades, 20 years ago. Yeah, early 2000s. Yeah, early 2000s. I came like 10 minutes from working with John Page and it's called 21st Century and they're again, Lingenfelter, right? So that's where like, we kind of started with that. So out of nowhere, a guy calls me, his name's TJ. And he was like, hey man, I heard you're the guy to build headers. And I'm like, okay, cool. Like what's going on? I just took it like a regular customer or whatever and talked to him. I know nothing about LMP cars. So I have no clue what he's talking about. I'm just like, okay, sure, sure, sure. I'm acting like I know what I'm talking about. And he starts sending me pictures and I'm like, holy crap, this is freaking gangster. And he ends up, I said, hey, by the end, I was like, hey, by the way, like who, like where'd you, he's like, oh, John Page from 21st century. I'm like, holy crap, I haven't heard John Page's name in like years. And he was like, man, he talks really highly of you. He was the only person that says you got to take it to Jay. And I'm like, okay, cool. So that was really cool. And Billy, and I haven't dropped it yet because Billy messed up the card. Billy has like, it's like a two hour video.

All the video footage.

Okay.

Billy has me building everything from head to toe, all of it. And that car was a ton of freaking fun to work on. And I finish it, send it back. And then like, he just called, TJ called me like two weeks ago and he's like, hey man, he goes, every shop that I've gotten, like the car too, because I guess it goes to like different spots or whatever for different things that they're doing on it. And they're like, yo, the headers is amazing. They're like, they're going to start calling you. They're going to use you for like all these, all these cars.

What do you, so I guess how familiar are you with the car? Like what series is it in or like?

No clue, bro.

No clue.

No, nothing. Someone told me it was an LMP. So my brother-in-law that does my YouTube's names, Alex Garcia, my wife's brother, I sent him a picture of it. And I have TJ, I think it's an F1 car. I don't know. I just put F1 car. And he's like, no dude, that's an LMP car. Like that's legit. Cause I guess there's like some lower grade ones that like are like lot cheaper. This is not the lower grade one. And it was like the legit.

I saw it had like an LME motor in there as well.

Yes, there's not an LME motor in it. Yeah. So it's like the cream of a crop, I guess an LMP car or whatever.

We saw it, it's awesome.

Yeah. It's all carbon fiber. Like the frame is like half inch carbon fiber. It's nuts. That car was awesome. I will tell you, I'm glad you brought that up. It's probably one of the funnest cars I've built. And I just did headers and exhaust on it.

What made it so fun?

I get the uniqueness of it. Nothing ever, I've never gotten anything. I did get a Lotus. Was it a Lotus? Like a 78? Yes.

No, it was a one-off car and I can't remember what it was called. It was a Lotus. It was like, it was an odd name.

No, it was a Lotus. No, what was it? It was a Lola. Lola. Yeah, Lola. A 68. Bro, like it had the real magnesium wheels. I don't know if you know it, like you have to like, you can't run those after so long. They're like, like insane money on them. And I did headers and exhausts. I do a lot of headers and a lot of exhausts for custom stuff. A lot of 69 Camaros, GTOs, like stuff like that, that when they go and put a different motor in, no one makes nothing for it. So they come to me and I make it. But I guess just the uniqueness of that car and the quality of what that car is, like it taught me, man, I need to raise like my standards even more just in seeing the stuff that was on that.

It's insane when you get to that level, like we're talking several million dollar budgets and stuff like it's stupid.

Yes, 100 percent. I was like, oh, my gosh, this is sick. So I'm that he just called me, like I said, like two weeks ago. So I can't wait if I get a couple of those cars in, man.

You know, it's funny, though, is when the car came in, we were looking at what was on it and we're like, this is not what we would do. And then when the car was done, the owner was like, I've never seen anything like this.

That's awesome.

Yeah. The headers and everything that were on it. I'm like, oh, my God. Like I go, I call it like, yo, how long did you have this? And he goes, oh, man, forever. But the car never, like, performed well. And I said, bro, you can have no problems at all when I'm done.

Yeah. If you go to my YouTube channel, so it takes 90 racing. So I did the entire video for Jay put it on my channel. I gave him an SD card, but I put the wrong file on there. That was my bad. But if you go to, and you can watch the video, I have him, you can see his fab work. I recorded all of his fab work, exactly what he does, how he works. It's about an hour long video of just him fabbing up in exactly how he does it.

And I cut everything on this.

Yeah.

Yeah. Everything on my dance hall.

He's over here, just eyeballing it. I'm asking him, like, how do you know? He's like, I just know. And he looks back over here and cut stuff. He's like, oh, that's perfect. I'm like, man, that's gangster.

That's awesome. Um, is there anything else you wanted to touch on for I pop my usual three question? Hey, any fun projects or anything?

We went to the drug.

The Z06 is next. I'm really excited about that. I just I really I kind of want to touch base.

You know, many at midnight does know who you were because this car in previous form, they put it on El Gringo. Yeah, race. El Gringo.

Yeah, no way.

OK, so we have the turbos in the back of this thing. There's a video out there where they called.

They called Waylon out and Waylon went to Houston and did an off the trailer race for like 10 grand and Waylon put it on them in one.

OK, and El Gringo, that truck is no joke.

That thing is insane.

Yeah, actually, we bought a Nova from Randy years ago. Like I've met Randy's a really cool guy. But man, that truck is insane.

Yeah.

What does it take to get a truck like that?

100 grand, Troy, 200 grand, that green one, they said there's probably three grand in the rollers, probably 100 grand for sure.

But that's you know, you're talking pro mod versus street truck.

Yeah, I say that because it's but I think El Gringo is just back half. It is not a full not like the green. But yes, body panels and oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, El Gringo stayed coyote. Did he? It's like a 5-2 Predator.

The other cars were big.

The other ones like Little OJ went to a big block. The green truck is a big block, but Little Gringo or Little Gringo.

Little Gringo.

Gringo stayed like coyote. El Gringo.

Let's just put that out there. El Gringo is sick. The rap is sick. Everything about that truck is awesome. And that Randy dude, that guy can drive.

Yeah.

Yeah. Actually, I do want to talk a little bit about the Street Outlaws stuff. So did you have a lot of fun doing those?

Man, I did. I'm glad. Yes, I did. It was pretty cool. My son's not here. And he was like six years old at the time.

Okay.

And I watched all the Street Outlaw videos and he loved the Monza. So like one of the cool iconic things is when Monza came, I brought Titus and Monza was super cool with them and took pictures with them and stuff like that. And he told my son six, he's like, you're my favorite car, I always want you to win and stuff. So that was really cool. I became really good friends with Kamikaze, Chris. And I've done a lot of work for him. Just like even over the years, I had his Camaro here like two years ago and did some turbo work to it. I even gone to Oklahoma and done zoomies for one of his boys on his Corvette.

Man, we were going to loan in my car to do that daily driver.

Yeah, we were going to give him the ZL1. He ended up getting like an El Camino or something. So I mean, I had a lot of fun doing that. I talked to Big Chief like quite a bit. When we built, man, what was the car again? The El Camino, the Kamikaze. I guess it had been a year that Flipped had passed away. And that was Flipped's car, if you know who that was, right?

And I was going way back then.

Oh yeah, this is way back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was Flipped's car, but I never knew that was really Big Chief's car.

Yeah, he gave it to Flipped, Flipped drove it. Yeah.

When he passed away, they gave it to Kamikaze to drive. So Big Chief came and looked at it. And that's when me and Big Chief became introduce each other. Well, I don't say like friends, but I've talked to him on the phone. He's called me. He's like, Hey man, if I ever got projects or whatever, I want you to like come and do header jobs and stuff like that.

I can't wait to see that guy come back.

Yeah, for sure.

His YouTube channel is doing pretty good.

His YouTube channel is doing great.

I want him to see him racing again. I want to see the crow.

Yeah.

Well, so a little background on me. So I actually, I watched all, I didn't watch the last season, every single season last year before PRI, because I never watched it as a kid. I always would see it like it was, listen, it was before my bedtime, right? After my bedtime, right? Because I'm 26, right? So it's like, so like, it was on Discovery. I didn't, it was always after like 10 o'clock. So I was like, all right. I talked to all the, I didn't watch all these car shows. I watched like, my main thing was like West Coast Customs as a kid. And then what was it? Top Gear, obviously. And there was a couple others in there, but I never watched Street Outlaws as a kid, besides like an episode here and there. So I watched every season last summer. I went through all of it. So like, this is all fresh on my mind right now.

So Boosted Ego is Eric Bain. I built that car. Chris, Boosted GT, I built his orange car.

Okay.

Or I'd say built, but turbo kit or whatever. I keep, they keep popping up because I keep remembering.

What was the?

I built so many of these guys' cars.

Wil Hoyt, the Nova 2.

Oh yeah, I built that first turbo kit on his, yep. The Mistress.

The Mistress, that's right. Yep.

Which one was your favorite? Anyone in particular?

I think probably Kamikaze, because I got to meet Big Chief. I was always a big fan. And of course you want to meet the most famous guy on the show, right? I guess as you're watching it, you would want to be like, man, I want to meet Big Chief, right?

Right.

I think Daddy Dave was always my favorite.

Yeah, Daddy Dave was, I never, so I actually, I did build a truck for Daddy Dave. His S10, his daily driver one. Oh. Yeah.

I love how you're just like forgetting all of these.

I do.

So many.

Yeah. But I would say Kamikaze is just doing that, seeing what it meant for Big Chief and Flip and everything that Flip did with that car. I think that was probably one of the iconic moments, I guess you would say, because I got to like be in the background and see like Big Chief like walk around the car and to get the recognition for it. Like Big Chief was really happy how the car was turning out. And that meant a lot to me because I know how much like it meant to him. And then we went out to dinner that night and Big Chief just the whole time sat there and talked to me. That's cool. Like just turbo stuff and turbo kits and things like that. So I think that was probably up there in my top builds or When Flip drove that car, he truly drove that car.

That thing was a hunk of junk and Flip just freaking let that thing eat. That was impressive.

Did you do anything like later on like as the show grew that you were like work on Sonic Cars then as well or is this just more so early on or?

A couple years ago.

Oh really?

Yeah. On Chris's the Trans Am, the Trans Am.

Okay.

Kamikaze brought a Trans Am here for an event.

It was there. What? I don't know.

God. In like a week, we put a motor plate, transmission, suspension, turbo kit, all of it. In like a week.

Yeah, yeah.

He stayed at a hotel down the street and was over here just kind of ordering pizza and hanging out and shooting the s***. Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah, he's cool.

Well, anyways, at the end of every episode, I like to ask the guests one question. It goes like this. You could pick three cars. You have to pick a daily driver, a show car, and a track car. You have an unlimited budget. Build whatever you want, choose whatever you want. What are you picking?

All right, so my first one's what?

Track car, show car, daily.

So track car. I think I'd stay with my Mustang. The Mustang overall is probably one of the best setup cars you could get from the factory. How the rear end, the suspension, the geometry.

Since it's an 03?

No, he's got a Fox. No, like a 90, a Fox body. Oh, yeah, a Fox body. The Fox body overall is probably the best that you could get to where I could put an amount of money in it, right? I wouldn't back half it because I don't think it needs it. Because there's Fox's going like low fours on like an X275 with a big block, which wins. So that would be my race car. I got a show car. Man, when we leave here, when we're done, we're going to go show you something. It would be Parks 55.

Okay.

55 Chevy is like that iconic going back to what's that movie, like not Greaser, the old Graffiti.

Okay.

You're seeing Graffiti. I know you're really go watch Graffiti.

Okay.

What's his name? Oh, man. What's his name? Indiana Jones, dude. Harrison Ford is in a 55 Chevy. And I always like love that car since like I was a kid. But it would be a show car and you're going to see his as a show car. And I'm building it how I would build like my car. It's immaculate. I love that car. That'd be my show car.

Okay.

And then Street.

Yeah. Daily.

Bro. I love my F150 bro.

Okay.

It's it's it's insane.

You got to you got to understand it. These 1300 horsepower.

I need to take you for I need to take you for a ride.

You can go get groceries. You can go pick up parts or you can, you know, beat a McLaren and have a fricking laugh on the way home.

So people I get all my customers will come in and be like, all right, Jay, like how much boost you're on, dude, I'm on full kill. It's 1340 all the time. And I can go to any street and that truck dead hooks. It sounds crazy, I guess, just because I'm in that. It might be a ZL6 in three months whenever we do twins on it or something, but man, I have so much fun and I get so many looks in that truck that I never had before. And I've smoked like a GTR, Porsches and Turbo. And then like they'll come up next to me like what? And it's on 20s like that. And that's what I went the Ford 24 with was on those 20s.

Okay.

And people look and they're like, what the freak is that? When I was at 2K, me and Tom were smoking GTRs on the freaking highway. And they're like, what the heck is done to that truck? So I think just the whole all around of the F-150 and everything that it brings, that's my daily driver.

Okay, fair enough. Yeah. No, I love whenever I see a single cab on the street, you never know.

No, you don't.

You never know.

Yeah.

They're very humbling.

You can't even hear my truck run. It's so quiet. You can't even hear my truck running. It's so quiet. It's stock mufflers. But then I got cutouts and twins and stuff. But yeah.

All right, let's go with you next. Daily show track.

Daily? Oh man, I don't know. Now that we've had the Z06 driving that thing around, because we've had to put some miles on it just because the computer's got to break in, motor's got to break in, that thing is fun to drive. It's an NA, it's so cool.

Okay.

That's a good car. We'll start, it sounds like an R1 bike.

Yeah, does it have a stock exhaust still?

It does still have a stock exhaust.

Okay, when you get on that, what are you doing? You gotta make them an exhaust.

Well, the turbos are exhaust.

Yeah, that's gonna be the different, man. I don't know, let's see, a track car, 69 Camaro. I think, you know, you can't beat the look of a 69 Camaro at the track, especially like freak shows car. That thing is just ridiculous. That thing is sick. I'd love to pilot that car. And then again, man, like show car, man, we're working on a 69 Charger that's kind of behind the scenes right now. Once we get done with that thing, I think that'll be the show car of all show cars.

Okay. Swing that mic over, I got to hear what you guys say. I think you're gonna be the most creative one, I have a feeling.

Well, actually, it's probably gonna be boring. So for a daily driver, ZL1.

Okay. Just a stock ZL1.

So I have the orange one sitting out there, that's mine.

Okay.

So that one, Brandon built, it's all Motec, so it's a thousand horsepower car. But as far as daily driving, that thing is so comfortable. I love that car. So I've got that and the race car, both ZL1s. I mean, that's how much I love ZL1s. The 6th gen platform to me is probably one of my favorite platforms. For a show car, 69 Camaro, and for an actual, let's say track car, like an actual road course car, what I actually want and I'm trying to get a hold of, so Brandon can do some Motec stuff to it, would be a 2017 ACR Viper.

Okay.

That's like my pinnacle of car that I want to get.

Yeah. We're going to get you on that.

You would fit in that.

Yeah.

It's tough.

So that would be my also exotic car. I'm not into the Ferrari or Lamborghini kind of stuff, but that ACR Viper, man, that's such a beautiful car.

Well, if you want to keep going on the Camaro train, one of my friends is building a Pike's Peak car. It's a sixth gen making about whatever, a thousand, whatever wheel, throwing a 6XD on a Motec and all that. So just sprinkling an idea in your ear, you know? Yeah. You got to keep a Chevy now. Come on.

Three ZL1, one 3X.

Yeah.

Real quick, where can everybody find you then?

So you can find me on Facebook, Jayfab Performance or Jayfab Garcia. I do a lot more Jayfab Garcia posting. He does all the Jayfab.

Instagram is Jayfab Performance Fabrication.

Yeah. And then Instagram, same Jayfab Garcia. And then also, like I said, I really enjoy the YouTube part of all of this stuff and just how everyone like views it and gets comments from like all over the world. It's Jayfab Performance on YouTube.

Okay. And then do you guys have any socials to shout out or anything?

Oh man, we just manage the shop pages.

Yeah.

And then Billy.

Yeah, I do.

You gotta follow Billy. You're doing some fun s*** over here.

So Facebook, Instagram and YouTube, it's all Texas93racing. Most of my YouTube stuff is how-to stuff, actually on F-150 stuff. So that's how I started my YouTube channel, was same thing, buying an F-150 and starting to do actual install videos and showing people how to do installs on these trucks. So I pretty much built that truck. Jay helped me out a little bit on a couple of things. But yeah, so that's where you can find me.

Awesome. Well, first of all, thanks guys. Thanks for coming on to the show. Yeah, got all your socials and everything. But yeah, thanks for coming on.

Thanks for coming here, man.

Yeah, it was awesome.

We were out, like I've been super excited ever since Brandon told me, like my wife and my son and I was like, I cleaned the shop like you have no clue. I'm not up to the Brandon and Tiana shop level, but I have a really nice clean shop.

I can even eat off of that floor over there.

It's crazy.

Yeah. But anyways, thanks fellas. Thank you everybody for listening and we'll see you all next time.