64. 1000+ HP Mustangs, A New Shop, Drag Racing, AutoX and Roadcourse w/ Dave Rasmussen

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Minnoxide podcast. I'm your host, Harris AK., Minnoxide. I'm here with my good buddy, Dan, from Gunner Garage. Yep. And just say hi.

You were like, we're gonna switch up the intro and then not tell me anything about it. So yeah, thanks for throwing me into the weeds here. While we're here.

You could skip that whole part. No, it's all good. We didn't pow wow before this. No, so one problem we have with the episodes, we don't usually just jump right in. I think since we know Dave, we can just jump right in. You've done a lot of fun stuff throughout the year. You've been on the podcast before. The Mustang is very different. It's quite a bit more powerful to 10 speed that you're building. You're at a new shop. So I think let's just jump right into, I wanna talk about the Mustang first. Because it's making four digits now, which is quite a lot. What are those come stock, first of all?

Mine made 414 NA bone stock on 87 octane and made 425 on 93 octane.

Okay. And now for those of us that aren't good at math, what are you making now?

Unofficially based on air fuel calculations and fuel load, it's probably about 1100-ish wheel horsepower.

Okay. And that's on 93?

It's on 85.

85, that's right. So you've done quite a bit of work and you could theoretically make even more from what we were talking about at the shop, right?

Yeah, we still got 10 more pounds boost to play with.

So. So I think we've had a, between you and Mike, I think you guys are the only 10-speed owners we've had on the podcast, right?

I think so.

Which that car is ridiculous. Like, as I've told you, like I want a Supra, that's always been like my goal. I want a GT 500 after that. But Mike has me itching for a 5.0. And then obviously, you know, you have built is nothing short of a sounding. Cause like you've done a lot of the work yourself too.

Yeah, I've got. I guess all the work, but like all but the axle back portion of the exhaust and the transmission build itself. I had Adam Donut Performance Drive Train Solutions build the trends. It's got a circle deconverter in it. Yeah. I mean, I've got 450 plus man hours into the whole car. I built the turbo kit myself from scratch, built the manifolds, had custom-made V-band housings made for the turbos that are on it from AGP. Had borrowed a 3D scanner from a friend and 3D scanned the front end to make all the intercooler brackets. So everything's like CNC laser bent and cut and formed and utilizes factory frame hole locations so I didn't have to drill any additional holes in anything.

The 3D scanning stuff. So did you watch Gran Turismo or no?

Yeah.

Is it kind of like those 3D scanners that they have or?

Yeah, it's just a little handheld thing that you just, you put these little dots on and you 3D scan it.

All that stuff's getting pretty affordable. I mean, they're still expensive. Like I think like a cheap one you can get for like 500 bucks.

I mean, you can use an Xbox Kinect if you want. Like the little camera thing. Yeah, they make a kit to convert that camera into a 3D scanner.

I should have kept my stupid Kinect.

It's not as accurate as, you know, obviously as the price goes up exponentially, the resolution or, you know, its measurements are much more precise. But for what I was doing, you know, we were 64th of an inch is plenty of tolerance.

I'm curious. So is there any things that you developed for your car that you could even potentially like sell or not really? Like would you ever consider manufacturing?

There are gonna be some parts that'll be coming out, obviously with the business and the new venture there that has taken priority with getting in there, updating equipment, some remodel stuff. We've still got more remodel. I just bought a new alignment rack on Tuesday. So that's 30 days out and the office remodel's next and then add on to the building, hopefully end of next year if everything goes well.

Yeah, no, that'll be, sorry, I was just checking the computer. This is one day I'll have an official producer. One day, I'll have my own Jamie. I like the shop. So I actually came by to your shop. I started to visit it. It's about a, I wanna say a 40-minute drive for me. It's nothing too bad, but.

Yeah, it's 22 minutes from here.

Yeah, it's not that bad at all. Yeah, that's why I like being here at Ratified Motorsport now, too. It's like, it's a lot easier for guests to come. It's a little more central. It's not as chaotic of a drive, unless you're coming from anywhere with this guy.

Hudson and driving through the Lorry Hill tunnel at five o'clock on a f****** Wednesday. That gets a little, sorry, it gets my blood a little boiled doing that.

His blood pressure's too low.

Hopefully you drove something with loud exhaust so you can, you know.

I actually was driving my Super Duty, 6.7 Power Stroke, you know, crew cab, all that s***. And the amount of people that don't turn their lights on when it actually gets dark is insane to me. So I was like, couldn't see these little cars. So actually I just picked up a Lincoln Town Car, and that's what I'm gonna daily over here now. So I paid two grand for it. I don't mind paying bumper cars through freaking rush hour. Try me, yeah. Yep.

I didn't even think about that, right? Because actually, no, okay, I had a truck. It's called a Jeep Gladiator.

Pseudo-truck.

Pseudo-truck, yeah, we'll call it that.

Just like a Honda Ridgeline, you know?

First of all, I loved that thing. That thing was stupid. I could drive over anything. But again, I was a little bit higher up. So when people didn't have their lights on and then they honk at me like, I'm the idiot, it's like, come on, so bumper cars.

Yeah, that's what I drive my $500 Volkswagen CC for every day. It gets phenomenal fuel mileage, and go ahead and hit me, I don't care.

Yep.

It doesn't, I can walk away from it.

Yeah, the Norwegian in me is like, I'll just run this into you and leave this $2,000 car here and go get another one, I don't give a s***. I'm gonna take my plates and walk away.

So for insurance-wise, you're probably only gonna do viability insurance?

Oh, absolutely, I already emailed my insurance guy. I was like, here, whatever's f****** cheapest. Call the general, I don't give a s***.

Call the general, is that the Shaquille O'Neal?

Yeah, that's Shaquille O'Neal's way, yeah.

You Ford guys, I think I was just telling you yesterday, it's like, I think I'm starting to lean more towards the Ford guys. I'm having more fun.

Yeah, we know how to party, man.

I mean, yeah, I mean, then you got Mark and then Massey. Oh, Massey's a Porsche guy, but yeah.

He hangs out with Mustang guys, so.

I don't know, I'm starting to think the Ford guys know how to have a party. You have a New Year's party coming up, right?

New Year's party at the shop?

I was going to, but four o'clock start time, if it was like in the earlier afternoon that I can get back over to Hudson, I thought about it, but I don't know, maybe.

We can party there all night long.

Yeah, all right.

Got two kegs sitting there that got delivered today.

Well, we'll see how our wives are getting along here. I may be going over there no matter what.

Yeah, it might not be your choice. Yeah, right. So obviously, so you kept it a little bit on the down low, and we'll come back to the Mustang as well. So you obviously got your own shop now, which you've had a journey. You went from, okay, so where were you at before Mello's? Eurocharged, right?

So I was at Eurocharged, and before that, I was up in Brainerd for like seven years with Paradigm Performance up there. Al and Greg Schmidt helped them get the second store up and running. And then, you know, Northern towns, you're capped at a certain point, and I was like, I want to grow. So AJ had reached out to me and, you know, we'd known each other for a long time, and I was coming down and helping on weekends. And one thing-

So it was like a part-time thing, kind of, that you were doing?

To start it, to start, yep. And then they offered me a full-time position, and I made the move. And yeah, it was, God, that was five years ago now, I think. It's gone by fast.

Yeah, time flies.

Yeah, like my daughter's six now. It's like she was just born.

I think that was my first time meeting her yesterday, too. She has got some energy, man.

Oh my goodness. So we're at Christmas, right? And she is her normal self doing gymnastics, somersaults, like pretending to do flips, running around, wears out all three under two-year-old hunting dogs. Like they're hiding in their kennels. They're like, no, I can't take anymore. I'm done. She threw the ball so long for them. And then like all the aunts and uncles look at me and they're like, how do you do it? And I'm like, I don't, I'm spent. If I could harness her energy, I wouldn't need to own a shop.

Dude, yeah, that's a next level energy. It's probably from those, what was the snack you were offering me earlier?

Sweet tart ropes.

Sweet tart, yeah. Probably pounding those all day at, I'll get it going. But how do we get on that? Oh, shops, okay, so after your charge, is that when you went to Moe's then?

Yep, so from your charge, went to Moe's, was there for just over a year, year and a half, sometime in that.

Little bit before we had you on the podcast the first time, because I think you were on, I want to say like May, maybe of this year.

Yeah.

I listened to it, you were at Moe's at that time.

Yep, yep, I was definitely at Moe's at that time. Yeah.

That was even before the proposition came up for you to Yeah, and it kind of just landed in my lap.

We were looking at selling some of our land, so our farm is in a family trust, so we had like a trust meeting. And I was with Jeff Storms, who was gonna help me sell the land as my realtor. And my uncle was like, hey, do you do business valuations too? And I was like, wait, wait, hold up. Are you finally ready to retire? And he's like, I think it's time. And I was like, you don't need Jeff, let's talk. So we started talking, and then a plan kind of fell in place, and then, you know, Sean had, tuned by Sean had been like, you know, if you're going to do this, you know, we can maybe do it together. I've got the financial backing right now to kind of come in and do this, and we just made it work. And we've been in, so July 31st was our first official day in the building.

My birthday. And I hope you all remember next year.

Yeah, we kind of just, you know, there's, when you bring five new people into an existing five-person area, there's some heads that are gonna butt and stuff like that. And, you know, we work through it. And we've got pretty good staff there now.

And it was your, so it was your uncle's shop? So it was again a family shop?

Yep, family shop. So my uncle's still there.

How long does he, how long has it been around? Has he started it?

43 years.

Really?

So that building's been 33 years. Well, 34 years. March of 1989, he built that building. So it was the fourth building in the Corcoran Commercial Park. Everybody else was just one year before that in 88. And yeah, it's been good. We've kind of shown an old dog new tricks with everything that's going on in there and set a bunch of back to back, month to month gross revenue records. And he never had a 100K plus month, and we did back to back right off the bat. And yeah, it's been really good. It's been a lot of fun. We've got a lot of big plans for it. We're still currently operating under the old business name in the meantime. Just city licensing and permits and everything like that. So it's business as usual, even though it's not business as usual. I guess you could say.

I can't imagine there are as many performance cars coming through there before it was there.

No, no. I mean, you'd get the random classic car that somebody out there owned.

Tune the carburetor.

Yeah, of course, suspension upgrades, or it's got to leak somewhere, or something like that. But we've kind of really opened the door to what can be done. I mean, the Mustang I just finished up on top of mine made 1,120 wheel horsepower, and it drives like stock. I drove it an hour to the dyno, drove it an hour back, didn't trailer it. Got 21 miles a gallon driving there and back on E85.

Did it really get 21 miles a gallon? Dude, for a race car. That's ridiculous.

1,100 plus wheel horsepower car got 21 miles a gallon on E85.

Those cars don't make sense to me, man. What the hell?

That was the blower car you were talking about?

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Ford has come a long way. I've got one of my good friends that owns To The Grid Motorsports up in Brainerd, Rich.

What's it called?

To The Grid Motorsports. And he just took a training class with Elite Tuning School or something like that. And even the guys down there were like, yeah, Ford's really got it figured out. Their ECUs are so much more advanced than GM ECUs and the Mopar ECUs and everything like that. He's like, watch this. And when they were doing their live dyno thing, they put a Mustang on there, and he completely screwed the fueling up on it purposely. And the factory ECU was able to calculate and adjust for it while on the dyno.

Is that kind of like to auto calibration or whatever?

It's basically like a protect feature apparently. I don't know the logistics behind it, because I don't tune. Fair enough. I haven't, I mean, I set injector scaling on my car so I could start it while I was trying to find a tuner, but beyond that, I just don't get into it. There's so many tables in the Ford ECU compared to looking at like a Gen 3, Gen 4, Gen 5 GM ECU.

So, but you do do, yeah. I'm getting it. See, this is what happens when you do caffeine. You got the do-do. You got the do-do. But you do tuning on like GM or older Ford stuff, right, or not really?

So we offer tuning. We mainly use Lund. My car that I, my personal car is on Shoemaker's tune right now. Yeah, we work with several other tuners as far as, you know, GM, Ford, Mopar. Mopar stuff, I tend to just send right to Bryce and those guys up at Moe's. You know, they've got that market locked in. And I've got customers that, you know, want to work with me, but I still bring it to them, you know, because I worked there for a year and a half. I know those guys are good dudes up there. They've got an in-house dyno. And, you know, Bryce works with one of the best tuners out there for Mopar. So yeah, that's huge. You know, I see the happy customers when I was there, and that's what I want for my own customers too.

So yeah, Bryce loves working on stuff that gets beat by Eurocars. I love giving... I love talking s*** to him all the time. I'm like, wow, that 5.7 made, whatever, let's say 400 to the wheel. It's like, my Volkswagen will beat it. But at the same time, like, he's working on that track hot... Dude, that Hennessy one that he's working on right now, stock plugs and stock thermostat in it.

Really?

Oh yeah.

Dude, it's never ending with those. Like, every time I start getting like a feeling that I like what they put out, I always see something else come up. And so I mentioned this story before, right? So somebody around here has a 1200 horsepower Hennessy vet. But apparently you can't run it on 1200 horsepower or anything near it without voiding the Hennessy warranty. So yeah, just interesting.

Well, I mean, the rule of thumb is whatever it says on the side of a Hennessy package, you know, take a third off of that. And that's that's way more realistic what it makes.

And to be fair, I'm sure they disclose it.

You know, it's like 850 crank horsepower.

Yeah, because like if you're running on kill mode all the time, like nobody's going to warranty that either.

Yeah, but that's the beauty of the Ford world. I mean, look at Mike's car. Look at my car.

You know, 1800 pulls of whoop a**, dude.

Yeah.

And five belts.

And yeah, on the Vortex setup, but on the ESS setup, nothing. It's the same belt that I put on it when I put the blower on it, you know.

Well, I mean, okay, so if you did 1600 pulls on the Vortex setup, divide that by five. 300 pulls is the average of when it snaps, right? And he's only done 200 on the ESS one. So mathematically speaking, we should get a snap here in about 100 pulls, you know, knock on the wood, obviously.

But it's a supercharger thing. Like, my Whipple is eating a couple belts. Like, it just, I keep them in the trunk. I've gotten really good at swapping them. It's really not like a detrimental. It sucks.

And honestly, the ESS is so easy to change a belt. I mean, it's no different than doing a stock.

I will say the Vortex setup is a f****** nightmare to change a belt.

Unless you do the mod on that housing where you take one of the spacers out and then take the spacer out on the other bolt and put a big washer. Then it's, then it does, then it makes it so you can change the belt without taking the bracket off.

Oh, okay.

With that bracket on there, you get to pretty much take the front half of the bracket off, just to get a belt on it. And you're not doing that on the side of the road.

I got an idler pulley out on my dad's Selene that I have to basically take the whole kit off the car in order to get it changed out because it bolts through into the alternator. It's not fun. But that's 1999 technology, so I'm sure they didn't have that figured out anyway.

Even on that car that I just finished up, that 1100 wheel horsepower Whipple car, that thing, it's got a 10-rib on it, but it's not an add-on 10-rib, so it's not out in front of the crank like Procharger does. It's got a 20% lower, and because of the 10-rib, the tensioner is so close to the Whipple bracket that bolts to the front of the engine that you actually have to loosen the tensioner just to tip the belt on its side to slide it behind it. But once it's on there, it really doesn't take that long. We changed pulleys and belts on the dyno three times, and I think the longest it took me was 20, 25 minutes.

That's not bad.

No.

So we've talked about this a little bit with Mike, because he was kind of s*** talking literally everything. You know, Mike. Literally everything. You know, from turbos to whipples, and you know how everybody's heat soaking, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know how he goes. So what made you want to go the twin turbo route?

So I had a Vortec on my car as well.

Oh, that's right.

So I, you know, the car made 707 on the stock 3.6 inch pulley. We made 901 on a 3.4 inch grip tech. It was atrocious to autocross. Like transient throttle response was terrible. You know, and with a centrifugal, it's all upper RPM power. So you don't really gain anything down low, except for some s***** throttle response. And for what I wanted to do, I didn't need 900 horsepower or 700 horsepower, but I wanted it to be a more linear power band, which is why I built the turbo kit that I built for my car. I mean, the things got tiny turbos on it. They're 57 millimeter turbos on the inducer side.

And to remind people real quick, by the way, so you're trying to build a car or you have built a car that's supposed to be a triple threat, road course, autocross, drag racing.

Yep.

Just because I know we're going to have a lot of new listeners compared to the last time you were on.

Who did you're tuning on the Vortex setup?

Same one that does mics, Majid. And it was fantastic. The car went on... So on the 3.6 inch pulley, we went 1032 at 139 miles an hour on stock trans, stock converters, stock axles. I mean, 2.7 degrees of rear negative camber, so not even a good suspension setup for drag racing. But I put regular bias-ply slicks on it, and it actually launched pretty good. I got booted after my second pass, and they made me do the NHRA street legal licensing pass because the rule is 10.0 at 135 for 14 and newer cars. So I went and did that, got that approved, so now I can go 9.0 at 150, so that's when I pulled the car down, and went to PG2, not this last year, but the year before, and went 9.53 at 153. So they were like, bye. Because I went three miles an hour over, and at that point, you need an 8.50 cage and parachute, all sorts of other stuff, and you gotta have an engine diaper or a containment unit. It's just a lot more safety equipment once you eclipse that.

Is that a plan on doing that, or just leave it where she's at?

I don't know, it's a street car.

Yeah, I get to that point, too, where you want to go fast, but then that s***'s not worth it.

We'll see what this next year at the shop brings. I may sell the car and build an S650 now. I may keep it and turn it into an all-out race car and put a SCCA or NASA spec cage in it that will also spec for 8.50. I really enjoy just driving the car right now, so I can jump in it and go anywhere. It's got air-conditioned seats, it's got adaptive cruise control, it's got lane keep. It drives like a bone stock car until you push the pedal down a little bit. It's quiet, out of boost. In boost, it's quite loud because the wastegates dump right underneath your feet. Yeah, I mean, it still gets phenomenal. It gets better mileage than the Whipple car. We've gotten 25 in it so far on E85.

That's crazy for E85.

Yeah, considering the car got 29 on pump gas stock.

Why? How? How does this? Okay, anybody else who's on E85 that has that sort of power level, they're getting like two MPG. Do you have any idea why it does that in the Ford?

We got three overdrives.

Okay, yeah.

Eighth, ninth and tenth gear.

I didn't even take the 10-speed into consideration. I was like, I never get anywhere near that, but I'm six-speed manual.

Yeah, I mean, so on that Whipple car, that's a non-performance pack car. So like Mike's, it's got the 315 ratio rear end. My car is a performance pack with the six-piston Brembo's and the upgraded suspension. Some other minor changes, like the rear center section on my car is cast iron versus aluminum on the non-performance pack cars. So like that Whipple car, unless you're going 80, it won't even go into 10th gear. So like if you're doing 70, it's in ninth gear, but it's still like 1800 RPMs going down the road. You get up to 80 and it finally is like, okay, now we can go into the last overdrive.

What's the rear, what's your rear gear at?

So mine's a 355.

355, and it's 373s on a manual car, I believe.

373s on a manual car, yep. On a performance pack, and then I think it's 355.

Well, in my 2015, they were 333s. With a six-speed non-performance pack car. Which worked out good for Whipple. You don't want anything too high.

Yeah, and then the autocross guys, the six-speed manual guys put a 409 ratio in them for autocross, because it makes it so that you can pretty much stay in one gear for all of the autocross. Personally, I'd love to have a 315, because doing a 60 to 130 in my car, I almost have to shift. With the new motor, I can rev it out, so I don't need to shift in the seventh gear. But with the Vortech on it, and the stock motor, it was three gears to do a 60 to 130. And the 315 cars, you know, they can... Well, seventh gear in my car is... Oh, God, I'd have to do the math on it, but it's probably 190 miles an hour at 9,000 RPMs.

Does it go up to 9,000 RPM?

So we're spinning mine like 9,200.

What are you at stock?

75. And then on the long tube headers with the intake and everything when it was NA, still we were spinning at 8.

Okay.

So most of the blower cars make peak, like that Whipple car made peak power at 7,982 RPMs. So there's no point in spinning it any higher than past peak power because it's still going to drop into peak torque on the shifts with the 10 speed because you only need to make power for this little tiny bit of power band. You don't need a big power band for straight line acceleration, which is why I did the turbo setup on mine for autocrosses. My car makes full boost at 3,300 RPMs. So I've got 3,300 to 9,200 RPMs of power.

I would love to see your dyno sheets when you have them. So you're 6,130. What are you starting? What gear are you in?

I just do six gear the whole time.

Really?

Because rolling anti-lag, I can make 14 pounds of boost at 2,800 RPMs.

So you're starting your 6,130 in sixth gear. That's f****** wild. I think, what am I in?

Well, fifth. Fifth. I did fifth for that fast one that I ran.

Do you want to share what you did second-wise?

So the car went 4,49, 60 to 130 so far. And that's on. The tune's still not finished. I'm waiting for the tuner to get back to me. It's been three weeks now. I just want to get it on the dyno. I want to see what 26 pounds does.

While the weather's nice in Minnesota.

Are you still driving it around right now?

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's been freaking...

It's December 29th right now.

Yeah.

I'm going to drive it tomorrow. Yeah. My garage is heated, so it's not so bad. If it was parked outside, I probably wouldn't drive it just because 50-weight oil and starting it up at 39 degrees probably isn't the best thing for it.

Are you running the Motocraft 5W50, or what are you putting in it?

So I run Motul Sport 5W50, which is an ester-based synthetic. I ran the Motocraft stuff and sent it off to Blackstone, and then I ran the Liquimali 5W50, sent it off to Blackstone, ran Amsoil 5W50, sent it off to Blackstone, and then ran the Motul and sent it off to Blackstone. And every one of them came back. You know, they were all pretty good, except for the Motocraft one, which was actually the lowest one. But the Motul, I sent it in at 6,000 miles on the car. It had like five track days on it, a couple autocross days, and a bunch of street driving on it. And they were like, yeah, you could probably run it for like another 2,000 to 3,000 miles. It's still got a 4.1 TBN base number, or the base additive package in it. And your wear numbers look better than most of the cars we see with 3,000 miles on it, and you have 6,000. I was like, I can't justify putting 2,000 more miles on this oil. I'm going to change it anyways, but good to know.

Right. So I'm running Redline in mine, is what I'm using, but I don't know any of that science stuff you just spit out.

Yeah. So you can literally go on Blackstone Laboratory's website and hit a sample request button, and they'll send you like four bottles, and you just take an oil sample of the oil when you change the oil, put your label on it, fill out this little card, and mail it all in. And then depending on how busy they are, you might between two and six weeks get your email back with the little printout, and it'll show you like tin, copper, you know, aluminum, all these different metals that are in the oil. You can pay an extra, I don't remember, I think it's like 10 bucks or something to get like a base additive number as well where they check how much of the oil has the properties that prevent acid buildup and all that stuff in it. It's not something you need to do every time, but when I was doing oil testing, what better way than send it off and see what causes the most wear.

Well, once you have the information, then you've got it, you know what I mean?

Exactly. And when we tore the motor down to build it, it was like the block was as bright, shiny aluminum as you could ever imagine. It was none of that yellow discoloring like you see in a lot of higher mileage, especially Eurocars with people going 10,000 miles on it. But yeah, it was super clean. The bearings look brand new. I probably could have reused them if I wanted to, but we put a tri-layer bearing in it versus the factory ones. I mean, the cylinder walls still had all the cross hatching on them. It looked like a brand new motor, but it had 25,000 miles on it.

That's crazy.

Probably 10,000 of those are track miles, between power cruises and road racing and open lap days and HPD days and time attacks.

You did a lot with that car, especially that first year you got it. I mean, you drove the...

I drove it year-round the first year. I put snow tires on it. I bought it in August of 2020, and it snowed like a month later. That first drive home, because I was at Eurocharge at the time, I couldn't even get out of the Eurocharge parking lot. I had to get a running head start to get up that little runway at the back. And Gabe, one of the guys that I worked with at the time, has a video of me just flat footing it, traction control off, seventh gear trying to get up this hill and the car just sliding back down.

I should tax Gabe for that. Gabe's good s***. He doesn't live here anymore, I think.

No, he's in Alabama now, I think.

Yeah, good for him. Change it up a little bit. Some sun down there.

Yeah, a little bit less snow. I think they get snow down there still.

I don't think so. I have a friend of mine that's...

If it snows in Texas, I mean, come on.

Well, yeah, I mean, okay, if you want to call that like a flash sprinkle of some snow that melts and hits the ground. Yeah, exactly.

The next morning, it's kind of like Colorado, you know, they get 20 inches of snow and then it melts the next day.

They're ridiculous. I love Colorado for that reason. It's there for a moment and then it's 70 the next day. Just so wild. You should do that. So you've never done that Blackstone thing before?

No, I want to see how my Redline's up. I have a full day of Road America driving with my car on it. And when I go to change it at the beginning of the season, I might send it off there and see.

I never had good luck with Redline or Royal Purple in any of my cars. Like my E36 M3, I tried Royal Purple back before they got bought out by the new company, and oil temps were like 310 degrees. And then I went to an AMSOIL on the next road course day, and it was like 250. Like same weight oil, just a different brand. And it was like, OK, well, my oil temps aren't lying. It's 60 degrees cooler. The Motul stuff has been really good. We run it in a lot of cars. LiquiMoly actually was the second best, which is what I run in a lot of the customer cars because it's significantly cheaper than the Motul. The Motul is like $100 for five liters. My car takes 15 liters of oil. So it's a rather expensive oil change. And your average person doesn't want to pay that. The LiquiMoly is $47 or $48 for a five liter jug. So it's half the cost.

That's pretty on par. I use LiquiMoly in my car. I want to say I spend like $70 or whatever.

There's lower grade Motuls like 8100 XS. What's the other one they have? They have quite a few, but better significantly less. But the Sport and the V-Series are their ester-based synthetics, similar to what an AMSOIL dominator is. It's true synthetic based stock, and they just cost a lot more. And then you're paying some tariffs and all that stuff.

Yeah, but if you consider what it can do for your engine is cheap insurance, right? Oh, absolutely. So I have to buy a whole case of Redline when I do it, 12 quarts, and it cost me about 130 bucks or something to do an oil change. It's not horrible. What did you say it was? It cost you what?

100. So it's 300 bucks in oil every oil change.

300 bucks, okay. But if the numbers are there and it's not wearing your engine down faster, that adds up to...

Yeah, and I don't know if you've built a Coyote or not lately.

Yeah, yeah.

It's real easy to spend 20 plus thousand dollars on a Coyote that's built. And I'd rather not do that again anytime soon.

Did you rebuild yours once or twice?

So I popped my first one. And as I'm going back and looking at some of the things I'm seeing going on with these GT500 Whipples, I think my Whipple might have given out that first time around. Because I sent it down to John Bond in Iowa and had it rebuilt. And it had some issues. I was like, it shouldn't have issues. I've only had it on for about 5,000 miles. But anyway, that one roached, and then I bought an already built short block from Dan Shonek down in, you know, Disco Dam down in southern Minnesota.

F****** A.

Yeah, right. That guy knows how to party too. Another Mustang guy, a little crazy guy. Anyway, he had one that he had built for a blower car. He was going to do it and everything. It was an MPR built 5.2 block. Everything all the way fully built except for his sleeves. And then I f***** that one up too. But playing with fire, trying to do things I shouldn't be doing on pump gas. That's your problem right there. I realized the error in my ways trying to have a rally car that I didn't have to run E85, and I've just decided that's just a necessity at this case.

Well, there's this wonderful company here in Minnesota that produces race gas. Yeah, race gas additive.

Dan sent me to them too.

So the owner's name is actually Dan. And his business partner. They're awesome guys. So that's Diversified Cryogenics, frozenrotors.com. They've been one of my best supporters slash sponsor on my car with all the braking stuff on it. And it's phenomenal. So my X5, I just put frozen rotors, slotted cryo-treated rotors with hawk pads in it. Every vehicle I own has cryo-treated rotors and some sort of aftermarket pad in it. Just because I don't have to do brakes as often. They just last longer.

How is it for dust?

So this, on the X5, I went with the hawk ceramics, which are virtually no dust in comparison to the factory OEM BMW pads, which are dust monsters.

Yeah.

It's been really good. Haven't had them on long enough to really give real feedback, because I had winter wheels on it, and I really don't think I've ever washed them.

So what was that company called again?

Frozen Rotors.

I think so.

Somebody brought them up on this podcast before, too. Somebody was talking about doing cryogenic stuff and all that.

So they do a ton of... I mean, they'll cryotreat. Like, my crank in my car is cryotreated.

Mine had a cryotreated crank in it.

It basically just micro-aligns the grain structure of the metal after it's heated and formed and forged and everything like that. You're going to get some misalignment in the metal, and when you cryotreat it, it allows the metal to go back to its natural state without changing its dimensions. So dimensionally, the crank doesn't change any shape, but the internal structure is much more aligned. It also is kind of like the final step. You harden something, and then you cryotreat it after you harden it, and you have this extremely hard surface. So that allows your bearings and your oil layer to work better because now it's got an extremely hard surface as well. In fact, my personal Mustang, we took the stock rotors off after 5,000 miles, and I brought them down. He did his in-house slotting on them, and then cryotreated them, and I'm still on the same front rotors, 27,000 miles, three sets of pads on them.

Some hard breaking too.

Really hard breaking. Next year, I talked to him down at PRI, and Mark and I talked quite a bit. Next year, we're going to go to a much more aggressive track pad just because of the power the car is making, and then a full floating two-piece, like a gyro disc type or a PFC, floating two-piece rotor.

Like what would come on the GT500?

Yeah, similar.

That's going to be rowdy.

Yeah, I mean, the car pulls 1.83 G's braking right now, so I can only imagine what it will do with more pad. I think I'm going to have to upgrade to, so Ford sells the Boss 302R ABS module that you can run as a standalone ABS module, and it's designed for slicks. So the ABS intervention threshold is much higher than the road-going version, and there's guys that have dropped a half a second to a second of a lap just by changing ABS modules to this higher-performing one. You get a bunch of idiot lights on the car, but it's one of those things that, if I cage the car, I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do that, and I'm going to do this, and it's probably going to get a standalone in it, and it'll get the halting...

Well, that's what they make black electrical tape for.

You just cover all those lights up, and then you're good to go. First of all, it's never ending on what you can do. The sky's the limit, which is awesome, and also not awesome because your wallet. So are you considering putting a cage in, then?

We're going to see how... Right now, my main focus is the business. You know, the car's done, it's fun. The only other thing I have planned for it is I have that weld drag pack for it, and I'm going to get... We picked up Viking as a vendor, and we're going to put some Viking long travels in the front and probably a set of their triple adjustables in the back. And the goal is when the new alignment rack comes, I already have all the adjustable stuff in the back. I'm going to baseline it for road course with the MCS set up in it. I'll pull the MCS out, which is four bolts aside in the back because they're an actual coilover. Pull them out, swap in the Vikings. And then in the front, it's camber caster plate that's already set for road racing. Unbolt that, unbolt the two strut bolts, change a complete strut assembly out. And now I've got a drag suspension in 45 minutes. And then it's just a matter of, okay, how many turns on the tie rod ends does it take to get to X tow for drag racing versus the road course set up? And then how many turns in the rear camber and tow arm does it take to get it to zero camber and the correct tow for that? Because as you move camber in the rear of these cars, the tow changes as well.

Yep.

So baseline that so that I can do that at the track, because the car is an unlimited class car now. So I can run any tire, any wheel I want, and I can change them from autocross to drag racing to time attack. So if I can change the drag setup and have the car cut a 1.1 60 foot and run a deep eight, I only need one pass to count, and they can kick me out after that.

You know you did it. Yeah.

Done, you know.

Yeah.

What's the best 60 foot you've ever done?

1.7 in the car. Stock can run.

I mean ever. Is it still that car?

I've driven a few drag cars for customers that I've built just to show them what the cars will do. I've gone 1.3. Okay. And in a stick shift.

Okay.

Fox body. Face plated, Liberty's face plated, 414 stroker in a, you know, 351 Windsor based motor. And the car went 10.0, like 10.0 flat. Perfect index car, but stick car. So it was just flat foot shift at every gear and just hold on, shift one, two with the front tires off the ground. You know, it was fun. That first sub one, six, 60 foot though, if you don't have your helmet against the seat, it's a little interesting.

Okay. So that's awesome. I was just curious, cause I got, when I went out to Great Lakes Dragway over there, you know, Adam was experimenting with his 60 foot and trying to dial his car in and you know, he's on, I think he's on our triplate ours, maybe or whatever. So, you know, street tire still. And I think he was consistently getting a one five, like, you know, barely any, you know, wiggle room. So it's like, you know, if you were to take it to-

One five on an R triple eight R is moving out, cause those tires suck.

So I think it was in a draggy forum. I'm sure you're in there too. I think, I think 160,000 people are in that forum. Somebody, you know, got everybody going on R triple eights, like just, oh, they suck. And then the comment section exploded, but I think there's some variations.

All the memes of like people pouring Tabasco in their eye. And it says like people that think R triple eight R's are a good tire at anything.

Well, they would, they're like a street, they're like an equivalent to a PS fours, right? I mean, they're-

They are the worst 100 treadwear tire that you can put on your car.

Really?

They're not great at anything. Drive an R triple eight R in the rain. But you might have.

It's scary. Dude, I managed to break, it was just sprinkling and I was driving like a 650 wheel GTR, nothing crazy. And I feathered the throttle and just kicked out the back end. I'm like, this car's all wheel drive and I'm about to crash it. So then, okay, so what tire do you suggest?

Depends on what application. Like for autocross, I run an AO52 Yokohama or a Nanking CRS.

Yep, that's what I've heard from people.

The Nanking's are cheaper. So if it's not like a big competition or a payout, I'll run those because they do last longer. AO52 is the king in autocross. It comes on immediately. It's consistent. They don't like a lot of laps, whereas the Nanking, I can still do some HPDE stuff on the road course with. Road course this year, we're running Hoosier R7, so we're going full sticker, full slicks. And then... What about drag? Drag, really personal preference. A lot of the Mustang guys are running the ET Street R315-5017.

That's the one I hear about all the time.

Good street tire though. I mean, 555 R2s from Nitto.

Oh really, okay.

For straight line acceleration, for a tire that you can actually drive on the street. It's probably, if you can dial in your boost curve and everything like that, and have some adjustability, it's, I mean, s***, there's guys running 370, 60 to 130s on a 275 Nitto 555 R.

Okay.

They, they're, the tread wearer, they keep tread for quite a while too. I've had mine on forever, and I feel like I'm just now burning them down to having to replace them.

Yeah, they just, they wear pretty, considerably good for what they are.

Yes.

Not, it's not a tire you're going to go 50,000 miles on, but for what it is, I can probably squeeze 10,000 miles out of one.

Yeah.

Dependent on how many actual pulls one makes and burnouts and stuff like that. But street tires, I run Continental Extreme Contact Sports. It's a 340 tread wear tire. It's, you know, it's I actually run them for rain days on the road course, too. They're really good in the rain. I had PS4s. I wasn't a fan.

They really get. I want to try extreme contacts next. All I've really known is PS4s in my cars.

So the PS4 is a great tire. It's a little greasy when it's cold and it gets really greasy when it's hot.

Look, I noticed that towards the end of my sessions at Road America that I felt like I was on oil slicks there because they get real hot.

Yep. And I've never felt that with the Continentals. Like, they're pretty consistent. They last longer than the PS4s. I think the PS4 is slightly better in the rain when new, but you get to 50% tread on those and it's different.

50%, wow. I got down to like 10%. Dude, I was running overinflated too, because one, I'm an idiot, but two, just didn't care. And it's like, I want to say 30,000 miles.

You were just going for that gas mileage, weren't you? Yeah. 50 pounds of air, flash.

What kind of idiot buys slicks? Just sand down your tires. But yeah, I think I got 30,000 miles out of those. I was, it was, if I showed you a picture, you'd be like, yikes. Like I was almost on cords. Yeah.

Well, I don't know, I went with PS4s. You can't Google this question, because you're going to get a thousand different answers from a thousand different people. It's such an insane thing. It's like asking people what kind of oil to run.

It's a cult. Yeah, everybody sticks to what they like.

Yeah, and find something that works for you, and if it works for you, good. What we tell people in the autocross world that are just getting into it though, is brakes and tires are the first, before you do any suspension mods, period, just go out there, put a good tire on it, and a good set of brake pads in it, and good brake fluid, and learn the car and its limits with stock suspension before you go and change things, and you will be a better driver, because the car's got body roll, and body roll's not necessarily bad. It's transferring weight to that outside tire.

It's traction.

Yeah, it just feels really weird, especially in like autocross, where you're transitioning left, right. I love that.

It's like, that's so fun.

Whereas you get in my car, and it's like, that's why I had to put the race seat in it.

I was gonna ask you.

My knees were bruised from holding myself in the seat, because I run a 315 all the way around on my car. So it's got incredible front grip, and it changes directions immediately. And yeah.

I think that's the first time in 64 episodes anyone said my knees are bruised.

Besides, not the front. But yeah, I'd get off the road course too, and like my legs would hurt from holding against this door card in the center council area. It was bad. And now with the seat, your arms would get tired faster. Now it's with the race seat in there. I've got a six point harness, Hans device, fire suit. We put fire suppression in the car this year.

Oh nice, okay.

And yeah, fire scares the s*** out of me.

It should, yeah, rightfully so.

My car's got like 90 feet of AN hose underneath it. So it's like at any point something, it's all really good, high quality stuff, but and everything's heat sleeved, and it's just a what if, so.

Nothing is scarier, like again, I watched, you know, like, I've watched the Gran Turismo movie, when that guy hits the wall, it just explodes immediately. It's like, and granted that's, you know, a movie, but like, you know, I've seen even like videos on like Instagram, like when somebody, like I was Road America, actually, right into turn one, somebody lost their brakes and whacked the wall, and the car was on fire within seconds. And it's like after you hit a wall at, you know, whatever, a hundred something miles an hour, you're disoriented.

Or you broke something.

Or you broke something, so it's like, or both. It's like you want those extra precious seconds, you know, or, you know.

Yeah, and you know, quite a few of the autocross guys were like, well, why do you wear it for autocross? I'm like, some of these autocross events, we hit 120 miles an hour, and like, s*** can happen. So I'm gonna wear everything, you know, I've got kids to worry about, and.

It's like, why chance it?

Yeah, why chance it, you know? I spent the money on it, I'm gonna wear it.

Yeah, I was gonna say, you already invested the money in the suit anyway, so.

Yeah, so put it on, you know? My daughter, six years old, really big into four-wheelers now, we've got her a Polaris Outlaw 70. She had her first big crash the other day, and she had full gear on. She walked away, I mean, she flew 25 feet from where she hit one of our tractors at the farm. Four-wheeler stopped dead at 18 miles an hour, which is top speed on it, and she just kept going and cracked her helmet, and you know, took a little hit on her chest protector, and she got a little scratch right above where the knee pad was on her leg, got up and was like, okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, dad.

You know, but she got that wind knocked out of her.

Yeah, yeah, she, you know, she's like, well, now we gotta buy a new helmet, dad, and I want a pink one this time. I don't want a black one.

That girl's gonna be trouble. She's gonna have all the same hobbies as you, man.

She already told me she wants a Porsche 911 Turbo in pink. And that's the only thing I can sell the Mustang for. And I told her, I don't think I could drive a pink Porsche.

Dude, but some guys, it's a funny story. So my mom has a pink Jeep, right? And it's like, sometimes I'll borrow it or whatever, you know, because the hooptie's, you know, down or getting worked on or whatever. And sometimes like, I'll go pick up a friend. And they're like, I'm not getting in that car. I'm like, how f****** in masculine.

Are you the Mary Kay lady?

What's that?

The Mary Kay lady? You know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, they gave away pink Cadillacs.

And they'd say like, Mary Kay edition on it. And it was like lipstick pink.

This is like a limited edition by Jeep or whatever. It's like, I forgot what it was called or whatever.

But also it's not wrapped. It actually is a...

It's like a factory color, it's like a rare edition, whatever. But no, it's like some dudes just get so into Mopar.

I don't care. Well, you got daughter or daughters. I've got three daughters. Like I'll drive something pink. I don't give a s***. My wife's car, her plates say her five-oh, and I drive it sometimes. Although I did tint the windows when I was driving it for quite a while. I just like the fact that I can go out and whoop on somebody. And then when they look at the plate and it says her five-oh, I want them to just feel fricking emasculated.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, they like sometimes like I wear like a pink shirt or something and some other dudes be like, the f*** is wrong with you? It's like, it's a pink shirt, calm the f*** down. It's a f****** shirt. I'll never understand that. But no, dude, like, and so when did she crash? Earlier this week, you said?

No, earlier this summer.

Oh, this summer. Okay, I was about to say, she was running fast the other day.

It was probably, that was fall, cause it was October, we harvested late. So we were changing fuel filters on all the tractors and getting everything ready for fall harvest. And I had it parked out in front of the shed. And she was getting daring in like sliding corners and learning to like drift corners and just having a blast. And next thing I know, she bang, right into this front tire of the tractor cause she swung the a** in too wide and couldn't correct it in time.

And you know, vehicle control, that's how you learn it.

Well, technically they're not supposed to ride them till they're seven, according to the sticker on the side of it. But you know, we're f****** farm boys around here. She's been riding it since she was four, so.

Yeah. My daughter, I went and got her a tech vest for her sub-mobile this year, just cause I want to keep her organs where they need to be and all that stuff, if she needs something.

Yeah, it's kind of important.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, she just upgraded to 1000 CC, four-stroke Yamaha. So she's, you know, going a little faster than.

Did you get her a Nitro?

No, she has ridden my Nitro though, but no, she's on a Viper. So yeah, it's a lot of fun. She and I put 2000 miles on last year, riding sleds.

Ain't doing that this year.

No, I know, right?

Maybe. I put the snow tires on like two months ago, and I'm like, I could still be running around on the nice 20s right now.

Yeah.

This is an abnormal winter here for us right now.

I know, it's crazy.

We've definitely, I mean, so somebody shared it. It was actually a Minnesota page, whatever shared it. It's like we've had brown Christmases before. It's like every fourth year, but like this is still on the warm end.

But it's still normally like eight degrees outside. It's not normally 50 degrees.

It was 54 degrees while we were all down in PRI.

It rained for three days here too, as we heard.

Yeah, we got three inches of rain. That would have been three feet of snow. Yes, it would.

That would have been rowdy.

I feel bad for all the people that bought new sleds this year.

I have a buddy of mine that did. I bought my new sled last year, which was epic snow, so.

Yep, yep, last year was good snow this year.

I wonder if Sean sold his, I think he did. I don't know how to check on that, because I know he was trying to get rid of two sleds that had been sitting there forever. Yeah, on the autocross front, so actually, so when I, I've only done one autocross event this year, and that's like when my tire, or not my tires, my brakes were cooked. Like I, they should have been changed, like two millimeters ago. Like it was rough. So, but I, you know, again, I wanted to benchmark what I could do. So that was kind of fun. And then I, you know, brought it to ratified immediately after, and it was rough. Like they were, I had to do, you know, everything. Everything.

And that was up at Morgan's?

Yeah.

At the St. Cloud.

Yeah, I hope they bring back the, we talked about it. I hope they bring back the St. Cloud location. But again, he was very transparent on the costs of the event.

Oh yeah.

It ain't cheap. And if you don't have sponsors or somebody on board, you know, it's tricky, but I love that facility.

We gotta remember Rich and I did the timing for Mike for many years to get it going. This was the first year we didn't do timing for Mike. We just got between Rich's business taking off, me doing this.

Well, then I just hear you're running a farm, or doing farm stuff too. Those guys never have time either. How do you even, do you sleep?

Sometimes. But yeah, so the only autocross we did timing for this year was Street Machine Nationals. And we've been, you know, we're gonna continue to do that. We talked to those guys down at PRI again. And they're excited to have us do it again. You know, they've gotten, since we took over doing it, this was our third year this year. You know, and this is Rich's wheelhouse. I'm just helping them through it all, but they love the way that we run it. They love the way that we get people interacted. We all bring our personal cars down and do, you know, like somebody in this crowd wants to go for a lap on the autocross thing during sessions. We just load the cars up and just back to back runs and throw a new person in every time. And, you know, it's fun, you know.

Yeah, no, I'm really excited. I don't think I'm gonna get any new tires quite yet. I think I'll stick with the PS4s. I think, I wanna say they're fairly fresh, but we'll see. I'm gonna just try to roast everything this year. But again, it's all baseline. It's like, it's all seat time. Like I can get, I could even get new tires and new brakes, new everything. I could upgrade everything. Nothing's gonna shave more time off than seat time.

Nope.

Like it's like, even like, for example, this is totally different. We were doing the sims down at PRI.

It's like, we were there too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We spent a lot of time there.

So we went from day one to day two. It's like, I shaved off, I wanna say two seconds off Watkins Glen, which is, you know, a minute nine track when we were doing it and I shaved off two seconds. It's like, the best time was 104. I'm like, oh man, if I could just spend like a day here, I bet you I could shave off another second or two. It's like, yeah, I don't know.

I was just chatting with Mike on Facebook. I built a Sim at home too, and I've had it built for a few days now. I have maybe an hour collectively of seat time in it. So far, my kids have been using it. I've been doing other stuff. I haven't had any time to sit in it. But yeah, I've been practicing at Road America, but I'm not getting that much better yet.

See, I find the Sims, I never played video games growing up. So like, I get in a Sim and it's different. But yeah, after like six, seven laps, it's like, okay, I'm starting to get the feel of this thing and how its feedback is. But it's no different than jumping in somebody else's car, you know, and you go out, and you don't go 100% lap one because you don't know the car, you don't know its characteristics and stuff like that. So in that way, the Sims do help.

I got it. I'm really curious to learn tracks too. Like, so I've been on Road America, so that's the one I've been practicing on just because I know where the turns are and all that stuff. So kind of get an idea where I'm breaking stuff like that. But if we end up at some other tracks, I want to, okay, I'm going to run it for an hour on my Sim so that I got an idea where the turns are and what's going on.

They got those arcs on there yet?

I'm not sure.

That is a track that I want to go with.

I've heard it's scary with the blind hill.

Like every hill, it's all hills.

Really?

And then followed by a turn.

It's a lot of elevation change. I heard those, so Cannonball went down there to Cannonball Rally. I think they went last year to year before. And I think they were the first rally there, the first event there. And everybody had a blast, but they said they were s******* their pants over those hills. Like especially like one hill. Oh yeah. I'm going to take a second to support the home team. Many of you know the podcast is based out of ratified motorsports, who make some of the sickest builds out here. That dyno you all hear downstairs has seen some serious cars. Whether you're looking for a standard tune for your cute little Volkswagen to a full on Supra or RS3 build, you should give ratified a call to get the sauce. Check out ratified motorsport.com/performance to see what they can do for you. Let's get back to the show.

But the cool thing is, is they designed that track with runoff room on every one of those corners. So like, what I've been told is, you know, like Alex Sajati, when he went down there with his Porsche for the club racing, he's like, that track is phenomenal. And they designed it so well, and I just, I have to go. It's on my list. I was gonna go last year, the car wasn't done. I booked, they had an open track day. I booked it thinking the car was gonna be done, and then the business thing took off, and the car wasn't done, and I was just like, meh, whatever. Gave it to another buddy that ended up going, and he just said it was a blast.

Okay, I wanna get Alex on the podcast. I just hit him up the other day too, because like, it's been a, I wanna say a year or two since I've seen him. Oh no, I've seen him at Caffeine and Octane, but I wanna go try out his sim again, because the last time I tried his sim, this is like when he was just getting into racing. I know, it's a boring story, I'm sorry. But it's like, I suck at the sim, dude. Like, he's like, because I tried to drive, he had his GT4 Cup car in there or whatever. And I b**** about Porsches on sims all the time. I can't drive them. I don't know what it is. Like, I feel like I'm on the marbles all the time. I cannot control them. I might just suck too. But then he's like, yeah, let's get you in something a little bit easier. It gives me the Formula One car, because it's, you know, planted or whatever. So I'm like, all right, this is kind of cool. But now that I actually have driving skills, I'd like to pretend I want to try to see what I think of his Sim versus Dan's Sim, and then we're going to buy a Sim next year too.

So yeah, I've been talking to P1 about getting one of their Sims.

Those are crazy.

They were the ones that were, you know, on the side with the trailers.

Yeah, we tried.

Oh, we know. They're the one that had the biggest, flashiest set up there.

Yeah, yeah, they had like six Sims in there.

Yeah.

But yeah, I'm looking at like a P2. I think they call it the P2 Ultimate. So it's got the D-Box movement and all that stuff. It's not the P3, which is the big one with the huge screens.

Yeah.

I just, I felt like that one was too unrealistic because like the screens are huge and you, it's almost like semi-width.

Yeah.

Whereas the P2, it felt like you're more in like a cockpit.

Which is that the one that we tried?

I think so. We didn't do that one in the corner that had the 55 inch screens. It was insane what they had. And not to mention those screens are like $3,500 apiece or something like that.

Yeah, stupid. So, okay, if you remember the event, are you talking about the ones that were on the left side or the right side?

So the food court, say this is the food court right here, and then the trailers are right here. It was the ones right here. And then they had the little trailer set up here with the three sims in it.

Okay.

It was these guys right here.

Oh, so it wasn't podium one.

No, it was podium one.

Podium one.

No, the other one is the...

We didn't, we talked to podium one and then Camille.

The one in the trailer, those were like the 75, $80,000 ones.

No, the trailer ones, that's Camille. He's the guy out of Chicago, the one where they were in the actual trailer.

Not the one where they were in the trailer. So he was like over here. Yep. And then they had podium one right here. And then there was that other trailer over here that had like the rooftop simulator.

Oh, okay. I didn't see that one.

Yeah, it was like the food court's here. It was like off in the corner. But those guys' simulators were like 75, $80,000. That's crazy. Whereas podium P1s were, you can get one for five grand or you can spend 40 grand.

Yeah. So.

Yeah, so the one that Camille runs in the sim racing Chicago stuff, I think he said on a low end, some of his are like what, 18?

No, that's for pretty much a full motion one. You can, he's got like five, $6,000 options, but you're not gonna get motion. The one I built at home, I probably have with PC included. So I had to build a gaming PC, but I went to Micro Center and they put everything in a cart. I bolted it all together just like you would any car parts. Yeah. So there isn't that f****** complicated, turn it on, boot windows. So anyway, $1,700 in a PC. So I maybe four grand into my rig, but I went with haptics. I don't, I'm not sold on the motion. It's that big of a deal. So the car tips a little bit when you're driving, but emotion doesn't simulate the Gs anyway.

No, it's more about for what they were telling me and what a few people that get really big into sims is, is like, it's more to simulate like the rumble strips.

So I did a butt kicker. So I have haptic feedback. So it will shake the living s*** out of my rig when I hit the rumble strips.

You just like sitting on something that shakes, don't you?

Absolutely, yeah, I got a little, put a little something on the seat first before I sit down. But yeah.

Mustang owners.

It does a really good job. You can feel the engine. You can do all that. Even my steering wheel has haptics to it too. So I think that is, and that's only a $400 add-on instead of $5,000 for motion. So that's what him and I were having that conversation. I was like, I don't know if I can justify that price of what the motion puts into a rig, but.

Yeah, and that's again where I want to try out a few different ones to see. Cause like, again, Alex, you, and then I just remembered one of my other buddies, he has almost 10 into his rig. It's like, I want to try that too. But it's like, for example, those stupid monitors that are 3,500 a piece. Like, get the f*** out of here. It's like, I don't need that.

You get $300, like 1440p.

Yeah, like I just, yeah, I don't, I've got a Sony 65 inch A95L OLED at home. And it's like, that wasn't even 3,500 bucks. Like, I'm sorry, but I can't justify $3,500 times three for three monitors for a simulator that is probably gonna not get used as much as I would want it to get used.

I have a 55 on mine right now, just real close. And I don't care that there's not screens on the side. I am gonna do a triple monitor setup just because it's really not that expensive to do it. But yeah, I don't really, for me, I don't really give a s***. I'm looking at the track, the steering wheel. There's got a little rear view mirror. I'm gonna see what's behind you. It's not that big of a deal.

I like the triple monitor. I'll have to try yours to see where I'm at on it.

But it's coming. I just bought a car, so I'm not gonna spend $1,000 on monitors right now.

Oh yeah, you spent a lot on that car.

Yeah. There's those two monitors right there.

Yeah, right? That's six monitors sitting out there.

That's for playing bumper cars, which is way more fun. Realistic simulator.

That's how I have to sell this up to my wife, man. I'm not gonna do monitors right now. I just bought a car, you know?

This is Sims in real life.

Yeah, absolutely.

I don't even know why you even bought a stupid Sim. When you got that car now, you can just go over to Lake Street a little bit, just drive around. Oh, sorry, mailbox. Dude, Sean used to have a story that he would tell. I can't remember who it was. Actually, I know who it was. I'm not gonna disclose it, but somebody took out his mailbox, and he's like, dude, that was just hell. Because the mail people did not know where to drop off the mail and all that fun stuff.

So he's like, laid on the ground there where the thing was.

He put it back into concrete the next time, so nobody would take that one. So remind me again, what was the size of your turbos? Did you run it now?

57 mils. So they're literally like bottom of the barrel, BorgWarner S257SXEs. I do have the new Borg S200Rs coming for it. Basically, the 257SXEs are rated at 650 horsepower each. We're gonna find the limit of them at the top, you know, 26, 27 pounds on that motor. The 200Rs are rated at 775 each. And it literally drops in. I take four bolts off, slide the CHRA and the front compressor cover off, slide the new CHRA and compressor cover in, put four bolts in on the exhaust turbine hosing, and swap over my feed and return lines, and done.

Wow, nice and easy.

And I'm not gonna put them on until we dino with the 257s.

Right, you wanna get a baseline.

And then we'll put the 200Rs on and see how much more headroom there is. Because again, unsleeved block, I'm already into potential damage area at 1,300 plus wheel horsepower. And 10Rs, they don't like to live much past that, although there are some people pushing, there's a guy that just made 1,900 wheel horsepower in a 10-speed, and it's like, for how long? How long will that last? Will it shift at 1,900 wheel horsepower? Sure, it made a single gear dino pull, but will it shift at that?

Right, so is there a reason why, and this might be a stupid question, why somebody would go twins over single, or what are you gaining over twins? Because I have a friend of mine, too, who's like, you just need one big one. I mean, is there...

I feel like it depends on purpose, right?

Look at what DeVito just did with his car. He just got rid of the big single and went to twins, smaller twins. They spool easier.

It might have been DeVito that I was talking to when he first opened his shop, because I wasn't sure which route to go. And he was like, I don't need twins, just go single.

Yeah, he just pulled the single off and went to twins on his car. I think he had a GT55X on it, some big Garrett. I mean, the car made good power. It made like 1,750 horsepower, but it took forever to get up on the chip to leave the line at the drag strip. I don't know, 3,300 RPMs full spool in my car. Doesn't matter what gear it's in. It's just always on.

Really?

So, and then rolling anti-lag, so you don't even have to break boost the thing. You just tap the cruise control button, hold that down and floor it, and whatever speed you're going, it keeps you right there. And just, all of a sudden, you can just watch the boost gauge just go, dink.

Then you just let off the button.

Let off the button and hold on. Be prepared to counter steer. I showed you the video the other day at the track, where I did the 60 to 130 run, and it was just the whole time, just sawn at the steering wheel, because it's on the street tires, and it was 43 degrees outside. It was boost weather.

How's the traction management in those?

What traction management?

Okay, fair enough. Have you ever considered going up to a Motec or anything, or not really?

So, Motec makes a plug and play for the car. It is about $15,000 all said and done.

Yeah, sounds about right.

As you know, my business partner, tuned by Sean, Haltech. So we're going to put a Haltech Nexus R5 in the car before we do anything else. And at that point, it would probably get a 6XD sequential.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it'd be less drag focused at that time, but a lot better on the road course. So that's why I'm kind of torn right now. Honestly, the car is... At the current power level, at 16 pounds of boost, I have found where my daughter is finally uncomfortable when I floor it in the car. 14 pounds, she's fine. She'll sit back there. Woo-hoo! Happy. 16 pounds, she's... Nope, Dad, don't floor it anymore. That scared me.

So what's it making at about 14?

Again, I have that on the dyno. So the Mustang that I just did at 1040, 1040 wheel horsepower is the same pounds per minute of airflow as my car is at 16 pounds. So it's probably in that 1000 to 1100 range, somewhere in there. Yeah.

This year, I finally got it.

But the car is also 600 pounds lighter than it was last year.

Oh, yeah. You did a ton of weight reduction.

So we're not 40, you know, 4,050 pounds with me in the car anymore. We're 3,500 pounds with me in the car now.

Where the hell did you find 600 pounds to take it? That's a lot. That's all of us at this table combined, by the way.

So, carbon Kevlar seats, the Steeda Road Race K member, getting rid of the blower and going to the turbos, the actual turbo kit weighs less than the supercharger kit. It's got, I mean, I kind of went crazy on the build, so it's got titanium charge pipes, it's got, you know, a lot of weight is moved around, aluminum control arms now instead of steel, and then some other spots that nobody will ever know, but there's weight pulled out of the car in places that it's a lot more balanced now this year, too. Last year, we were like 55-45 weight split, and we're like 50.5, 49.5 this year. So we'll put some more weight back in it with Aero, but it's not going to be a ton, because it's going to get a big, big wang.

Is it a stock hood, too?

Stock hood with race louvers.

And you were going to do a pillar-mounted GT3 wing, are you?

Yeah, I want to do a swan mount.

We don't talk about that, Dan. That's going to be so cool.

And to do that, you have to go to a Lexan rear window. And again, that's all stuff that I'd love to keep this car and just keep it a fun street car and go buy a 15. That's got a blown motor. And take all the road race stuff out of this car and put it in that and just have a nasty, do a 5.5-stroker Coyote, put a sequential in it, put a cage in it and just have it as a track toy. And then just keep this one for fun. But that's kind of where I'm torn right now. It's like you get all this power and you're like, God, it'd be fun to go out and click off, shoot for a seven. And it probably won't run that with the power that it has. But a really deep eight is possible. But then you get kicked out. So you're only going to get one, two runs in. And at the end of the day, it's still just a fun street car. Like I go and get target pickup order with the car. Dead silent inside of it. It's quieter than stock with the turbos on it. Yeah, it's just a...

Oh, I love the sound, by the way. You posted a video of... Well, first of all, when you were complaining, I can't say I built this all by myself anymore. That was super funny, by the way. But it sounds really good. At least in the video.

In person, it sounds... It's a very unique sound.

I was disappointed I wasn't at the shop yesterday.

It'll be there tomorrow.

Well, I won't be there tomorrow. Or Sunday. Yeah, that thing is...

Well, that's when you pick up your S6-650 now and you start building that, then you make that full-blown race car. I mean, a shop's got to have a shop car, right?

That's a write-off. My Mustang is a shop car. And then we have the RX-8 as well with the K24 swap in it, that four-piston motor. All that fun stuff. That'll be fun next year as well. But honestly, I'm really looking forward to 2024 for Minnesota in general, like all these big power cars coming out. We got Mike Johnson, we got the one that I just finished up that made 1120. We've got a lot, a lot of, you know, Bryce has been pumping out some, still hasn't made that magic thousand horsepower on that dyno up there, but...

Well, the thing is, is like, it's hard to get people on that platform to, at least in this area, to do stuff. Like in Texas, everybody and their mothers, you know, tuning up Hellcats. Up here, we... It's either to take over kids or older guys. It's a tough audience up here. So I think Bryce is warming them up, but we'll see.

I mean, we threw that Mustang because we went and put it on the hub dyno because we had to do a bunch of solid state, steady state drivability because it's, you know, 35, 40 degrees now, and I'm not taking a thousand plus wheel horsepower car out to do driving. And we swung by Moe's on the way back and just threw it on the dyno just to see what it would make on theirs and show Bryce, you know, typical Bryce fashion. Oh, it won't make a thousand on this dyno. Nothing makes a thousand on this dyno.

The numbers don't even go that high.

We made over a thousand on their dyno. Spinning.

I got to get him back on here, dude. He has such good energy. He's like, nah, there's no way. And he's like, what? His facial expressions are so on point.

Dude, Bryce and I said, you know, when people are like, well, how do you guys talk on Instagram? We don't, we communicate by reels. Like, there's some nights where it's 40 reels back and forth. And just not a single text is written. It's just, we're carrying on a conversation by reels, reel after reel after reel. And, you know, Bryce is good s***. He's a really good person. But that's a lot like Rat, Trey, you know, AJ over at EuroCharge. Like, all these guys in this community, like, it's, you know, there's so much work here in Minnesota that, you know, s***, I have Rat work on my own Volkswagen because I don't want to work on it myself. That's what they specialize in. Here you go, Rat, fix this. I don't want to do it.

Yeah, and we got a lot of talent here, too, I think. And I think now, you know, with MAP, you know, f****** off, a lot of that talent got redistributed, too. So it's interesting to see where people are landing right now.

Oh, yeah. Yep. Yeah, well, I mean, Matt's been helping me out on the shop on the weekends. Oh, that's right, yeah. And, you know, he's coming in tomorrow again to work on that Mosler for me. I'll be finishing up Anglia and just get work done. And it's nice that these guys want to, you know, that everyone can work together, you know, and there's no hard feelings, I guess, is the best way to say it.

Well, it doesn't look like any of you guys are running short on work. It's not like you need to be, oh, I need all of it. Everybody seems to be pretty damn busy. Everybody's expanding. This is rat second location. Mo's expanding. You're expanding. Like, everybody's growing. So it's not like you need to be arm wrestling to work away from everybody.

No, and there's no, and honestly, customers see that when you act that way.

Yeah.

The best thing you can do is, you know, I learned a long time ago that if I'm not the expert at something and somebody else is, and that's what they want, just send them there. You're gonna gain that customer back for something else down the road because they were like, hey, this guy was honest with me and told me to go check with these guys. There's plenty of work to go around.

Yeah, you guys are all expanding. It makes me regret going to college. S***, I went to f****** trade school.

It's never too late.

Dude, honestly, one of these days, I might just take up an internship at somebody's shop. Just be like, teach me everything.

There's good money in service writing. As long as you're a personable person, which you are...

I won't be doing this podcast otherwise.

I just really like the industry. I worked in the medical field for 14 years. And people are like, well, why are you working on cars? I'm like, well, honestly, I don't make that much less, and my day is a lot less stressful. And there's way more stuff... People have known about the human anatomy and bodies and anatomy and physiology for 3,000 plus years. Cars are ever evolving, so there's always something new to learn. There's some new can protocol, some new designs, some new engine design. There's always something to learn or expand your knowledge on, and I like learning. So the automotive field was an easy pick because I can always learn something new. What are you going to learn? Yeah, there's rare diseases and stuff like that, but are you going to see those in your lifetime? Probably not.

Well, I mean, I could think of one time, you know, like three years ago.

It was that band camp, right?

Well, that's what I liked about things like PRI and SEMA, right? So I went this year to both for the first time ever.

I know I was there.

He likes to keep remindings.

Yeah, yeah.

I was seeing things like, there was solution to problems that I was having with certain things in car parts and things like that. I was like, I didn't even know that product existed. That is pretty cool. That is neat. I'm going to have to look into that. There was something specifically, but I don't remember what it was, so now I'm going to have to figure it out all over again.

Something on the GT500?

No, it was a product. It might even have been a tool to do a certain thing. I was like, man, how would I fix this? And then this guy's like, you just f****** do this. It was really neat to go see some of the stuff that you wouldn't unless you're specifically searching out that problem.

Well, and the beauty of PRI is, yeah, the new products coming out is cool, but getting to go face to face with your vendors that you work with every day and continue to build that relation. I landed more vendors after the show at local watering holes, sitting there b*********** with them than actually at the show. One of the guys that I've been trying to get for a really long time happens to be a sponsor for two guys that I know down there. One's a NASA TT2 champion and one in a Mustang. He's got an 18-810 car that he races in NASA, and then the other one's got a GT500 that's twin-turboed that I just met this year, and he was the Gridlife Unlimited class time attack champ. And they're both sponsored by this vendor. And they were like, oh, you've been trying to get with them? Well, the owner's right here, buying us drinks right now. Let's go chat. And boom, now I'm a distributor for them. I won't say who yet, because we still got a lot of cool stuff that we're going to be launching come first of the year for the shop and stuff like that. But we've really got a really good line-up of vendors that we're going to be working with. We're going to really push the envelope on the autocross and road course side of the S550 platform, roll racing, drag racing side. And then all the import stuff that we do with the Tuned by Shawn customers that come in for things.

Man, my brain's gone freaking crazy now. So, dude, there's not enough time in a day to talk to you. S***, okay, I'm going to jump on this bandwagon. I'm good at keeping myself on track usually, but now it's like, oh, I want to go everywhere. The Tuned by Shawn, then. So he works primarily on what? I know RX-7.

Haltech. Haltech. He'll tune anything on Haltech. We're WD Direct. We're a Haltech platinum dealer. It's basically Haltech stuff. So we do installs, harnesses, rewires. It's kind of a one-stop shop. You've got an Evo that you want to put it on a Haltech, and get an upgraded turbo kit, and upgraded clutch, and get an alignment done. We can do it all in one stop. Tuned, turnkey, ready to go.

Does he stick to any particular brands or anything, or not really?

So with a Haltech, can you Haltech anything, basically? Let's say you've got a Fox body. I've got something, whatever. I just want to throw a Haltech. Will they run something that old? Oh yeah.

All you need is a crank and a cam signal.

Yeah.

From there, it's just tuning. So, and then Haltech just released that new Rebel LS this year, too, which is like competing against the Holley Terminator, and it's a plug-and-play solution, so I've got a really cool vehicle that we're doing that on here that's going to be, that we'll talk to you about doing some videoing on, but it's going to be fun.

Is it the one that was dripping something on another thing, or is it a different vehicle?

No, no, different vehicle.

It wasn't anything that I saw there, was it?

Nope, but it's a 750 horsepower fun car that we're going to take the Holley off of and put the Haltech on.

We'll see.

It's going to be fun. I like just to show people how easy it is to do it, document the install. Even though this car's already got a Holley set up on it, we're going to pull the Holley set up out, put the Haltech on it. It's not going to make any more power. The power is made by the engine combo, but there are some key advantages that the Haltech has that the Holley doesn't, like drive by wire. At that price point, we can do drive by wire, whereas Holley, you've got to go to the Terminator X-Max to get drive by wire. Otherwise, you've got a cable throughout a body. And drive by wire gives you more tuning ability with torque management and stuff like that. So it's going to be a fun little thing, and get it out there, and have some fun, and get some content out of it. The sky's the limit.

I think I'll save this conversation more for off-air, because I think there's a... Especially with the way you have the shop set up now where you want to go, there's a lot of cool content s*** we can do. That's definitely an off-air conversation, because the last three... Like the Charlie Maine episode, it was a content episode. And I feel like that stuff isn't as relatable. I feel like to the listeners, they want to hear, Carter, man s***. Not your stupid TikToks.

We just like going fast. It's one thing. I don't have a huge social media presence, because I let my s*** talk at the track.

If you can combine that... That's one of the reasons I really want to do a lot more track events next year is, I really want to put numbers behind everything I do. I've talked to so many experts on this show. I'm blessed to be in this position, talking to people like yourself, and people who have done s***. So I think it's about time that I back up my talk. Well, I don't talk s*** much, but I'd like to be able to talk, to actually live by the sword, I guess, and hopefully not die by the sword.

The track is such a, especially when you get into the autocross world, racing world, everybody's there to help you until you get to the top echelon, and then you're a competitor again. But in the autocross world, you're struggling with a corner entry or missing a gate or something. You're going to have 20 people coming over, and like, hey, watch that on my GoPro so you can see the line and see this.

Or just people offering to do lead follow. If anybody's intimidated about being a beginner at any level, people are, like you said, they're so inviting. It's insane. If you suck out there, they'll give you pointers.

Jump in my car. You see my blue S550 that says grid up on the plate at any autocross event? Walk up to the door and be like, hey, can I jump in? I'm going to be like, sure. I don't care.

I want to go for a ride in that thing as soon as humanly possible, because...

Tonight, maybe.

No, you didn't drive it here.

No, no.

Yeah, you're not that crazy.

It's 22 minutes away.

Yeah, fair enough. I mean, to be fair, like, so my first time in Adams Viper was 38 degrees. And I think he was almost full boost that night. Although one time he had full... Like, it was like almost perfecty 85 in the car or whatever. Like, it was almost... Everything was like... The conditions were absolutely perfect. And that night was the first time I started getting scared in the car. And I was glad that, you know, it got hot, like the... I think we poked the hornest nest that night. So, you know, it was just cops everywhere. So we were just like, yeah, let's just do something else. Not that we got in trouble or anything, but...

No, you can't get in trouble when you're in Mexico.

No, no, they were around. Yeah, it was Mexico, but then this year... Holy s***, that's, I was quiet the rest of the day.

Yeah, that's a whole nother echelon that, you know. Again, if I end up putting a cage in my car, it's like, well, now I might as well, because I've got a motor, I've got a coyote block off getting sleeved right now. And it's like, so I can build a 2,500 horsepower coyote with what I have in parts in the shop right now.

And you're fully capable of doing that, I assume.

Yeah, and then I just go to like a twin 76 mil turbo set up on the car.

Yeah, fair enough.

And it's like, where do you stop?

Why are the five O's so good at handling power? Is there, can you explain the magic at all, or is it just too magical?

Big bore, short stroke, double overhead cam, heads that flow really well, like they just.

Yeah, and you're not doing anything, you're not doing any head work, you're leaving the VCT in, right? You're not locking out the cams, you're not doing any of that crap, you're just letting it do its thing.

Yep, my car's got stock cams in it, it's got valve springs, but that's because we're gonna push enough boost that we would actually open the valves if we didn't, the upper RPMs and you get valve float. We actually, when we pulled the motor down, that was the only thing we found was on the Vortech, we were running 17 pounds of boost, and 15 is kind of that safe limit on the Gen 3 Coyotes. And the engine builder was like, how much boost were you running? See this right here? That's valve float. He's like, you got lucky. I was like, okay. Well, we're putting valve springs in it now, so we don't have to worry about that.

How was he able to tell that there was valve float?

On the tip of the valve, there's marking on it that indicates that it was floating the valves.

Did you do anything to your timing? Are you running all MMR stuff, or do you do all stock guides, tensioners?

It's got stock chains, stock tensioners. It's got JPC billet guides and tensioner rails in it. Stock non-HD, the crossover chain from the exhaust to the intake, stock.

I went with the Silee change, because that's why somebody told me to do that on that crossover chain. But other than that, I left everything stock on the timing, too.

Yeah, I mean, chains are a maintenance item, just like a belt, so I'll change them at some point, but they're new. They're just new OEM ones. JPC guides, I do have a GT500 oil pump in it, and GT500 oil pan and pickup tube, and they're Boundary Black Series ported gears, so the thing makes stupid oil pressure, like more than it should. Yeah. Yeah, so much so that we have to restrict the oil going to the turbos, because cold start, it's like 130 PSI.

Holy s***.

All right, let's do a little experiment here. What year is your car?

2020.

All right, because now we're gonna do some shopping.

No, the Coyote is just an engineering marvel, but to be fair, it's Ford's mod motor they've had since the early, like mid 90s. I mean, it's the 4.6, the 5.4, the 5.0. You can pull the transmission. Yeah, it's just something that, you know, GM and their single freaking cam push rod s*** that they're still rocking and.

Take an LT1 or an LT4. You can't go out and make a thousand horsepower on one of them stock, unopened.

Yeah, can you explain that actually? I can't remember who I was talking to about that, but yeah, explain why is it easier to make a thousand off of, and you kind of alluded to it earlier, off a Mustang compared to a Corvette.

Well, I mean, a lot of it has to do with four cams. You've got four cams, you've got, you know, variable cam timing on all four cams. So you can make the power band broader, you can rev them out. I will give the LT era, they do make more torque, but Gen 3s make pretty decent torque. My car made headers, E85, cold air intake, and a tune. Like the simple basic mods. My car made 487 and 460 torque.

That's the Mike build, right? That's what you did early on, I think?

Yeah, on the old car.

And the only difference between a Gen 2 and a Gen 3 is the port injection, right? The direct injection.

I mean, there's a lot of differences. DI-PI combo is a big one. Gen 2 is a smaller displacement. Gen 3, they actually went to a 3.662 inch bore, versus a 3.60, I think. Because a Gen 3 is technically like 306 cubic inches. It's not a 302.

Oh, okay.

12 to one compression instead of 11 to one compression, because of the DI. And it's funny, because we actually blocked the DI off on anything over a thousand horsepower. So like that Whipple car that makes 1120 doesn't have DI anymore. It's blocked off. So it's only running port fuel injectors. My car is getting the DI blocked off here over the winter, because I'm changing some things up. I'm putting a different intake manifold on it, and doing the DI block off, because they're starting to see more and more DI injector failures at 1,000 plus wheel horsepower. And when it fails, it's an engine.

Oh.

So I'd rather avoid that.

Right.

Do you have the same thing blocked off in yours or no?

Not yet. I'm doing it. I'm doing it, yep.

Sorry, I was calculating in my head.

That was that little package I showed you when you were at the shop. The little plugs and then the block off plate.

So if we go back to, oops, let's get that to the side. If we go back to CarGurus here.

Well, Janderson from, Jason Anderson from Janderson Heads, he's working Gen 3 Heads now too. Well, he'll fill those ports in too for you and get rid of them that way.

I've actually got a CNC program developed for him right now.

Can I tell you I'm having him on the podcast soon?

Haven't.

Are you really? Okay, cool.

Yeah, he actually reached out to me because we had Jarrett on. So yeah, he sent me a long thing or whatever. I'm like, let's get on a phone call. We had a great phone call. Like, I learned a thing or two on the phone call, but it's like, I think we're gonna try to get him on after I'm back from Texas. So in a few weeks here.

Yeah, he does phenomenal work. I mean, yeah, yeah.

You're not gonna find anybody knows more about cylinder heads than that guy. No, no.

Yeah, that's gonna be a fun one. I'm actually gonna probably reach out to you to see like what topics I should discuss. I feel like you would know a thing or two.

Yeah, he's a, I've talked to him. I was gonna have him do a set of gen three heads for me. Cause he does Tony Santini's heads.

That's right. Bad Cobra, yep.

Bad Cobra's heads. And I had reached out to him and he was like, yeah, talk to Janderson.

Yeah, that car is f****** insane. And it's like, what is it? I think it's like 1600 wheel. And it's, I mean, it's a, was it SN 197? Is it SN? It's a SN, right?

No, it's S.

It's just S, right?

SN 95, then S197.

That's right, yeah.

This is an SN 95. Yeah.

Oh, is it? Okay.

Stupid Mustangs.

Pretty sure, isn't it?

Yeah, SN 95, yep.

So like a 96, 97. Oh, it's a Terminator. No, that's a new, it's technically an SN 95, but it's a new edge. But they literally, underneath a couple body panels, they're exactly the same. And to be fair, they're exactly the same as a Fox body. They go all the way back to 79.

That's freaking wild.

Yeah.

All right, because I, so as you remember, I was talking Supras again to you yesterday, because I'm an idiot. I just found a Mustang that's 10,000 miles, right? 5.0, 2020, $36,000. That's a 14,000.

I wouldn't even be scared either, like 10, 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles. I don't, that wouldn't scare me at all.

That is fresh out the condom.

So if, okay, so-

Things had two oil changes.

Yeah.

Maybe three.

If I were you though, if you're really thinking you, are you thinking boost or NA build?

I would not do NA.

Okay, well then I would go, I would do a 2015 to 17. I would go gen two. It's gonna be, this whole thing he's talking about with port injection stuff is great for an NA build because you can squeeze pretty good power out of them with E85, something like that, without going boost. But you're gonna get a cheaper car. The gen two is still an amazing Coyote motor. And if you're gonna put boost to it.

They just are a little sadder looking in the front.

Yeah, that comes on to.

Honestly, I loved the 15 to 17 when it came out. And I was like, I'm gonna buy one of those. And then the 18 came out and I was like, I don't know if I like it. And then about a year went by and I was like, you know what's really growing on me? It's a little edge here with the slant coming out of where the, you know, in the front lower part of the bumper. And then I ended up buying one, just right dead in the heat of COVID. You know, I bought it August 2020 and when COVID hit May or March of 2020, called the local dealership down here. And they were like, they laughed me out of there. You know, like laughed at me on the phone. They're like, you want a PP1 401A packaged car? Good luck. And like hung up on me. And I was like, are you f****** kidding me? Like I literally have the cash to buy this right now. So I ended up calling 1044 and up in St. Cloud and the lady that answered the phone's like, I'd love to sell it to you, but we got a Mustang expert here. Let me get you over to him. He'll call you back in an hour. He's with a customer right now. Dude called me back and he's like, what are you looking for? I said, I want a 2020 GT, 401A with the premium package. So, you know, the safe and secure, lane keep. I don't care if it has B&O sound system. I just want, it has to be a PP1, 401A car with active exhaust. Anything from there, I don't care. And he's like, okay, how about colors? I was like, velocity blue. He's like, do you have any other choices? Velocity blue. He's like, okay, if I can't find one, what else would you be okay with? Velocity blue. But I will take an Oxford white if you can find one too. So he's like, give me a couple days. Called me in two days. You know, I had to talk to him on a Monday. Two days goes by, calls me and says, did you get my email? I'm like, no, but I will right now. Open it up. He's like, there's the window sticker for the one I found. Let me know if you want me to get it. It's Velocity Blue 401A Premium PP1 car. And he's like, I can have it here by Saturday. And I was like, cool, I'll come pick it up Saturday. Drove up there. Didn't even talk to my salesman once in person. Literally walked into the finance office, put the cash down, financed it, drove it home.

And now, if you want something in the future, you're gonna call that dealer. Yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of s*** that they don't realize. Yeah.

Anything that I've had wrong with it, they literally send one of their transporters down with a loaner car, pick my car up, drive it back to the dealership, fix it, drive it back, pick up the loaner car, and I just have a card on file, so they top it off with fuel when they get back.

Wow.

Didn't find that down here at any of the dealers.

No.

And 1040 puts a lifetime powertrain warranty on the car. Granted, I far voided that. Yeah, right? Yeah, but I will tell you, they've done a lot of front wheel bearings in the car, and it's been dropped off on slicks, and it's had wheel bearings replaced under warranty.

Really? I've had some wheel bearing problems, too, in my car.

Oh, have you?

Well, when you throw 315s on the front of a car that came stock with two 55s up front, then road course it and auto cross it on road race suspension, it tends to put a little more strain on factory components.

You think, just a little? Just a little bit. I'm just thinking, dude, like that $14,000 difference just in the price of the car, like I could, if I threw 14 grand at a 2020 5.0, where would that get me power wise and overall everything, I guess?

That puts you in 800 for sure, right?

You could make, I mean, depends on which road you're in.

Quality build.

But I mean, you could literally do an ESS G3X or G3R fuel system and some suspension goodies in 950. 900 horse.

And that's before I even get the stupid Supra stock.

Yeah.

And then, oh man, I'm re-evaluating my life with you and Mike in my life.

I mean, I'll put it the same.

I mean, I've been preaching it to you for a while.

Yeah, but your s***'s broken and isn't fast.

So the ESS is so simple to install. Like, I've done so many of them now, I can literally put that blower on, start to finish in one day. Like pull the car into my bay, have it pulled back out into the day running, if it's just a blower and I'm not doing like oil pump gears and stuff like that.

But blower, injectors.

I would. Remember that insurance thing we talked about earlier?

There are plenty of people that are making 800 to 1,000 without a minute that have never had a problem. And there are a handful of people that have had problems. So it's one of those things that it's not a bad idea to do it. And oil pump gears are 220 bucks. However, it's 14 hours of labor to do it.

Yeah.

Depends on if you want to bounce it off the rev limiter or not.

I might.

Which with a supercharger tends to happen a little faster than you would otherwise.

First three times I drove mine after putting the blower on it, like manually shifting it. I was like, rev limiter, rev limiter, rev limiter.

And the same problem.

Or the original tune that I had in it, we didn't have it set to auto upshift. And you pull it down into sport and then go to manual mode to race somebody. I got power cruise. And then as soon as you floor it, you just tap it back into drive. And it'll auto upshift. Well, there is in the tuning side, you can have it auto upshift even in manual mode. It won't auto downshift, but it'll auto upshift if you're 100% throttle. So once we did that, it was like, okay, now I can stop missing the next gear. Because it won't shift when it's bouncing off the rev limiter. You have to physically lift off the pedal, click the next gear, and then get back into it. So you got your a** handed to you. Bye.

Yeah, no, I'm a man. I actually drive a manual, so I don't even know how that works.

Do you? Those days are behind you, I feel.

Yeah, I know.

I love that.

I love that. You know, what's my other foot supposed to do? I don't know. I like going fast. That's why I drive an auto.

I am, with the GT500, I'm really loving the DCT, so I'm becoming a believer.

That DCT is so good, dude. It is so, so good.

It's a weird shift. I've never had anything be so seamless before. It's just really weird how it goes between gears.

I gotta take you for a ride in the GTR. It is scary fast.

Can we do a swapping keys with you and me together?

I'll talk to pops. We'll see what happens.

Honestly, I think the DCT and the GT500 crushes the GTR's DCT.

AMG GTR, not the...

Well, that's the AMG GTR and the DCT and the Mustang are the same manufacturer.

Really?

Same with the 458 Italia.

Who's the manufacturer?

Tremec, right?

Isn't? Huh, I got some learning to do. That's why I was so impressed. I keep telling people, like that is literally like the American GTR.

Did you see the cutaways of them at SEMA?

I don't know if I did.

I do not, I would never want to work on one. My God, is there a lot going on inside that transmission?

Would you work on, do you work on transmissions much? No? There's a math to the professionals. Yeah. Here I am.

Yeah, no, I don't, you know, I love race cars and all that stuff, but I hate brake fluid, I hate gear oil, and I hate automatic transmission fluid. So, if I can avoid touching those, I just do.

A transmission is, there's some guys that do that too. They'll dabble back and forth or whatever, but an automatic transmission, like a good, true built one, there's guys that know those things.

All the tricks and tips and valve body reworking.

I would say there's less going on inside a Coyote engine than there is in that 10R80. There's things in there in parts and pieces, like you said, valves, and that's not what's going on.

Well, mine, we went a few steps further on mine and had custom laser cut steels made so that we could fit extra capacity clutches in all the clutches. So, you can get, right from Raybestos, you can get like a upgraded extra capacity F clutch, which is your seventh gear, and it's a few other gears as well. But then there's some clutches that you can't, so you have to make the parts. And Adam was able to have those sourced and custom machined and everything, so we've got extra capacity. And I want to say it's the C, D, E, and F clutches in mine. So, and then it's Raybestos GPZ frictions and circle de-converter. The car's tuned on PCM tech now, so it's got rolling anti-lag, trans brake, launch control, all the fun stuff.

Does it have a burble tune?

No. Oh. No. I mean, they burble from the factory. It'll backfire every once in a while too, because I've got, for the track, it's got a non-emissions compliant catch can. Oh, does it? Street driving, though, it's still recirculative, but it'll cert every once in a while, it'll have a really nasty backfire, just because blot valves open and catch cans venting, so the MAF sees excess air flow and it's dumping fuel. And it's like Subarus when you do a vent to atmosphere blot valve instead of the recirc one, and they pop every time they shift. But the mufflers, I can't hear it as much, so.

Oh, you took a deep breath, I thought you were going to. Are you going to at any point resurrect snafu racing?

So, snafu, we kind of just, you know, it pretty much just integrated with DRSC. So, we do all the fab in house now.

And snafu was your primarily, remind me again, what exactly was it that you did?

So, it started off as off-road stuff.

Yeah, that's what it was.

When I was doing my, when I was big into side-by-sides and cra, you know, breaking every part that was made. And I was like, this s***'s junk. Let's build some better stuff. Started building crash bars and, you know, bumpers and doing roll cages and stuff like that. And that just kind of took off. And pretty much what I was doing at, you know, the performance shops with full-on builds and custom fab stuff. And it just was a fun side gig for a long time. You know, I actually had a commercial spot over here in St. Louis Park for a little bit. Built two cars out of there. And then kind of when I went to Moe's, I kind of just put it on the back burner, and now I have my own shop. So it's still technically in existence. It's just not the storefront, I guess you could say. It's more of a, if anything, I'd resurrect it as like a product line.

Yeah, I'm excited on that front. The future is bright for you. I'm excited on that front. You have a lot of things brewing. It's just, again, it's kind of like where I'm at. It's like, which direction do you choose? There's so many, all of them. Well, yeah, new stresses have entered into my life in the past month. So with something I'm debating.

You know what, I've spent a lot of time on the phone with, I've got a couple of, I keep my circle really small. I've got very few people that are like really close friends. Probably, I would probably say two people that are really close friends. And they're both fellow business owners. And they're always, we all talk amongst ourselves of, what should we do next? And the common conclusion we've come to is, when you're most nervous is the time you need to f****** jump and just do it. Yeah. Like if it's keeping you up at night, just f****** jump. Like I've lived in my car, I'm not afraid to fail. I can dig myself up in a 16th of the time that I could 10 years ago.

Exactly.

So if it all failed and everything came crashing down, build it back better. Not Biden style either.

I was about to say, hold on, that sounds a little familiar. No.

Except for nothing's been built back better. It's just been built back more expensive with him. But we're not going to go into politics today.

That's the other thing the Ford guys like to say. We'll say something, but we won't go into politics, typical Ford guy. No, I'm definitely, I'm already doing a jumping thing. More so I've added another avenue that I'm, it's like, ah, another thing to do. That's more so what I meant. But yeah, whereas, you know, I full sent it with Minnoxide, you know, and the next three months are going to be the most interesting months of my life, I think. But again, that's a conversation for another day. But it's, but yeah, to your, basically it's like, what do you choose to do? Like you said, all of it. But at a certain point, it's like, you only have so much bandwidth for every project.

Then you hire people.

Oh, that's, yeah, that's a fair solution.

Bury yourself to the point where you're like, all right, I need some breathing room. You hire somebody, get them trained in, and then you, like, the eventual goal is, I'm not going to touch cars anymore. I'm going to have somebody that can do what I do. And I can venture off and make new business ventures and do things. And, um.

So is the goal to get to shop seamlessly working and then you could, you know, f*** around with other things?

I'd love that. I'd love that. I'd love to be able to, you know, have a general manager there that takes care of day-to-day operations. And, you know, it's going to take time.

Of course.

It's going to take time. But being able to maybe open a second location or do some other form of business or get into real estate or something like, I just really, I grew up dirt poor. So like, I want to leave something for my kids, something I didn't get, you know, and I'm just going to keep moving, putting one foot in front of the other. And, you know, I pride myself on my quality of work. And I try and instill that with all the techs. Like, you know, I'll get on my guys, like if they're moving too fast, I'm like, if you move too fast, you're going to make mistakes, which is polar opposite of most other business owners. Like, I would rather turn out something that's 100% perfect that took an extra day than turn something out that they missed one little hose clamp and, you know, it got missed on a test drive, and then all of a sudden it's a problem. Because now in the customer's eyes, you did everything right, you met every expectations, but they had one little setback that they had to bring the car back. I don't want that.

It's harder to backpedal. Like, you could do everything right. You might not get that five star review, but you do one thing wrong.

Oh, it's game over.

You know, it just goes all over the place. And, you know, granted there's certain people that are forgiving, but at the same time, you get that one bad customer. And I have other shop owner friends around here. I'm not gonna mention who or the customer or whatever, but it's like, they've had their car f***** up, and now they talk s*** about that shop owner all the time. And that's not good for reputation, because a Google review is great. But when you're in a car community like this, word gets around fast, especially in Minnesota.

Oh yeah, yep. Oh yeah, bud. That's why, like, you know, there's been a lot of rumors floating around, like people are like, well, you and Moe's aren't on good terms. I can go up there and say hi to him. Moe was here at the open house for Ratify, walked up, you know, my daughter gave him a big hug. I gave him a hug. Like, there's no bad blood. Like, I opened my own shop.

Exactly.

It is what it is.

It's part of growth, yeah.

And, you know, they were excited for me. Like, hey, this is the next step. We're happy for you, like.

Where can we collaborate?

So I talked to Moa PRI and yeah, he was, wished nothing but well things for you. He was excited for what you got going on.

And I'm so, I stopped up there the other day when we threw that car on the dyno and saw the expansion. Like, dude, that place looks amazing. I wish I had that room when I worked there. Granted, they don't have any lifts in the new shop yet, but, you know, it's a lot more space, and that's gonna be huge for them. That's gonna be huge for them.

It doesn't feel crammed at all.

No, no, like, way more room to get in and out of the dyno. That lift isn't in the way any more there. Like, there's a mezzanine now. They've got parts stored up there. It's really nice looking shop now.

I can't wait for their next dyno event over there. That would be cool. Like, with all that space.

Especially that night dyno.

Yeah, that was cool. I didn't make it out to that, but it looked amazing.

I heard all the stories.

Stories did you hear?

Went till five in the morning.

You made it sound like it was rambunctious.

I'm pretty sure it was rambunctious.

You get a bunch of testosterone and high-pitched power cars in the same location, and it tends to be the catalyst for some fun.

Absolutely.

Especially on a hot night. Yeah, dude, I'm excited. I think a lot of things are on the horizon for all of us in this room.

I'm just excited for everything in Minnesota.

The scene is growing.

The scene is growing, all of us are expanding, all of us are getting better, and it's going to be awesome. It's going to be a good year. Power Cruise next year, there's going to be a lot of really fast cars out there.

Especially Power Cruise 2. I feel like a lot of people might be wrapping up their builds still, Power Cruise 1.

Well, you know, my car originally was supposed to be ready for Power Cruise 1 last year. Yeah. And I didn't even make Power Cruise 2 last year.

It's an all weekend thing, right?

Yeah.

Do you go out and camp? What do you do?

I stay in a hotel.

Hotel?

I'm too old for the track.

Yeah, yeah.

Too much partying?

Yeah, just I'll go back to the hotel and get a good night's sleep.

Yeah.

Fair enough.

I mean, I lived in Brainerd for seven years. We camped at the track every weekend.

Oh, yeah. Been there, done that.

Been there, done that.

Yeah.

That box is checked. Now, it's a good night's sleep and a fresh shower and it sounds way better.

I just picked up a pickup bed camper for my truck, so I want to try and get their power crews and maybe go out there and stay the night.

Yeah. Camp down where like the ratified guys camp. That's calmer. Yeah. It's much more calmer. Camp up near the oons tent, you know, the dance party up there, and you probably aren't going to get any sleep.

Yeah.

But it's, yeah, I mean, it's going to be a good year. Yeah. Because my car is done.

Yeah, that's going to help a lot.

That helps. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a, yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to do a lot of track content next year. As long as all things work out financially, which I, you know, I think they should. You got to make them work.

Yeah.

I think that that's basically that's literally the only I know how to get to Z. I just got to do B through Y first.

So well, and, you know, you got a backwards plan. You got to know what your end goal is to be able to set goals along the way that I know I need to do. I need X, Y, Z.

That's why I said I know what Z is.

Yeah.

But to get there, I got to do this, this, this, this, and then on each step, you kind of re-assess what you're doing and yeah, oh yeah, then let's just put it this way, the next, literally the second the clock strikes midnight at the end of this year, it's all chaos for a full week. That full week of the first year, it's going to be, it's going to be grinding time. I think we're all going to get some tacos. Should we go, we should do hazelwood or the taco shop?

We need to find out where the ladies are. Yeah. Yeah.

Good point. Yeah.

I figure, are we getting to that too hard, Mark? Because my a** feels like it is.

It's a good brownie.

I mean, it is eight o'clock.

Hour 50 cent. I think this is longer than last time. Well, let's, even though you've answered this question before, let's see if it still holds true if you've changed things. Because that's one of the things, nice things about having a repeat guest is, let's see what else they have to say. So why don't you pop the usual three?

All right. So he did what, he did have this question when he was on the first time?

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So we need three cars from you, unlimited budget, track car, daily driver, and a show car. What are you picking?

Well track car is still going to be either a Riley or a Janetta or a Liege, some sort of LMP car. It's a manufacturer difference, they all have, they're all the same.

We'll get you back on six more times.

Janetta G58. Show car. I just have a fond affliction for like that first gen F body Camaro. I don't know. It's like, it's just, it's cult classic, but. Yeah, I'd probably go, like, 67, well, probably 68 tomorrow.

And then daily?

Some $500 ship bucks I don't care about. I even don't even care what it is. Unlimited budget, I'm still driving the cheapest piece of s*** that I can, because I literally, people suck in Minnesota for driving on the street.

I'll sell you mine for 500 bucks after I spin it around in the Lower Hill Tunnel at five o'clock on a Wednesday.

I mean, the amount of people I have seen in the last week driving at night with no headlights on is astounding.

That is what's killing me, yes. Because it's getting dark at like 4.30 now, right? So people are, they just like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing.

I had somebody coming at me in my lane, coming towards me on 6.94 the other night.

Oh my God.

With their flashers on. Like, how the f*** did you get on the highway going the wrong way? Did you just think you could drive backwards?

Yeah.

How?

Oh yeah, some spit came out on that one. Dude, I had one three or four weeks ago. I had someone's over in a diner just off France Avenue. I was about to get on France Avenue. And somebody was driving down the road my direction. And I don't know how they got in. And I posted about it on Facebook. I'm like, that's the closest I had to anybody. I was side by side with this person. And he kept driving up the road. It's like, dude, just ridiculous. And it's always in a diner. I swear, I don't know what they put in the water in a diner, but it's always in a diner.

It's the cake eaters.

On that note though, where can everybody find you? Where do you want to be found? Please don't put out your address.

I mean, the shop Facebook page is DRSC Automotive.

What does DRSC stand for?

It's just mine and Sean's initials.

Oh, fair enough.

But it's also Dunwright Service Center.

Okay, well, we'll go with that.

And, you know, there's so many different play on words with it.

Yeah, that's the fun in it.

So DR is short for doctor. I've worked in the medical field in the military and we're referred to as DOC. So DOC Service Center, DR Service Center. There's a lot of different things. But I mean, the gist of it is it's mine and Sean's initials and simple, easy. Yeah, I mean, that's the best place to find us is on Facebook. It's probably the most actively watched. We finally started an Instagram for the shop. And I don't think there's even a post on it yet.

But I think there's exactly one.

There might be one. Yeah. You know, that's all stuff that I wanted to get everything running smoothly before I focused on any of that. Because if you get too busy before you start, if you don't have the systems in place to operate smoothly, more customers aren't going to do you any good.

You think like a doctor.

And we didn't have a shortage of customers starting off. It's been build after build after build. We've done five Gen 3 Coyotes that all make 800 plus wheel horsepower. I've got that Mosler in the shop right now. I've got ARC 7 in there right now, that twin turbo LS one that you saw. Got another ARC 7.

Dude, on the way back from your shop, I saw him on the highway. He waved at me on the highway.

Yeah, he was on his way to my shop.

He was going south with me. Oh. Yeah, that was after I left your shop. It was so funny.

He must have come by after, because he was like, yeah, I saw Paris on the highway and waved to him. I don't know if he saw me or not.

Okay, side note before we wrap this up. B*******, this f******, how do I not get mad? So I pulled over for having my phone in my hand by a cop a few weeks ago, and I have 20% tint on the sides. It's like, you saw my phone? B*******. And Moe can't see me through the front, and I have 40% on the front. So it's like, one of these guys is lying now. I'm pretty sure you saw me wave though. Like you should be able to see through my windshield just fine. So anyway, it was just so funny. But, and then your Instagram, are you active on it at all?

So yeah, Snafu Racing is kind of just a hodgepodge of everything, a s******* on there, make funny reels and yeah, some personal stuff, some work stuff.

Cool.

It's just social media. Don't take it seriously. Yeah.

That's what we live by now in these days though.

Far too many people that take social media to heart.

I've been trolling so hard lately. I just like, I'm like, you know what? On Christmas, I got into a fight with someone. I'm like, I'm gonna ruin your f****** Christmas, dude. Like, I just got into it.

I love going on the S550 pages and talking s*** to those people.

Yeah, it's so fun.

You have to have this and this and this in order to make this power. Listen, buddy, no you don't. I made 901 wheel horsepower on a factory f****** returnless fuel system in my car and had zero fuel pressure issues. You, sir, don't know what you're talking about. You're regurgitating some s*** you read on the internet.

Yep.

Yep, exactly. Exactly, I could talk about trolling all week. For you?

You can find us over at Gunnit Garage. It's two ends on all of the social medias, including CarMeanity.

Yeah, if you wanna see some Mustang sled, well, no sled stuff, unfortunately.

No sled stuff, it's been...

That's God's way of saying no.

Again, we're not posting much. I should be posting my Sim stuff that I'm doing right now. I'm building that and stuff, but again, sometimes it's hard for me. I'm busy doing these things and not always getting a chance to get them out there.

Yep, sounds about right. And as for me, you should know where you're at after two hours. Thank you for listening to the Minnoxide podcast. Be sure to check out our sponsors, Razorhood, of course, which I think by the time I drop this episode, I should have an official ad. We'll see. It's tough to do ad work, man. Props to the people that could do it for a full-time living and coming up with jingles and s***. I could never. And then of course, thanks for RATified for always hosting us here at this beautiful, upgraded studio. So Dave, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thanks for existing, and see y'all next time.