70. Racing GT4 Porsches, Training With iRacing w/ Alex Sajady

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Minnoxide Podcast. I'm your host, Harris, aka Minnoxide, man of many automotive aspirations, and I'm here with my Mustang-loving, high-blood-pressured co-host, Dan, today.

Yup, that's me, hello.

Yeah, and today we are going beyond the meat. So today we have Alex Sajady, who we've been friends for like a few years now, I think probably like five or six now.

Yeah, something like that.

We go way back, like back when I created Minnoxide, and then somehow I stumbled into cruising with the supercar guys, just through photos or whatever. I think our first time meeting was, I wanna guess it was when we did that cruise from the Capitol, maybe, that when I was riding with Trunk.

Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that was a long time ago, man.

Yeah, so that was one of the few times in life where I was content with dying, because I was in the R8 with Trunk, and he's doing buck 40, it's a convertible, so the top's down, so it feels even louder. And I'm just sitting here thinking, you know what, this is my first time in an R8. This isn't the worst way to go. Typical 18-year-old, it's like, all right, not bad. No idea of risk. So I think that was the first time I got to meet you, because then I ended up in the Aventador. You guys had it to time, I think. I got to ride in that, or I was doing rollers. I think it was, I don't know.

Dude, you gotta drive that thing, man.

That thing was fun. So that was shortly before, I think it was after my 18th birthday, or just before. That was pretty sick. I was telling Dan yesterday that that was before I was really comfortable with paddle shifters, or any shifter of any kind. And I remember, I think I'd only take it up to five or 6,000 RPM or something like that. And then you'd be like, all right, you could shift now. I was just babying it. I only took it up to maybe 130.

Something like that. It was a fun road. I love that road.

Dude, and then you took over on the way back, I think. And you just, I mean, it was like canyon carving, dude. I don't know, I think I drove it back, but you were telling me about the last time you took that route, just ripping it. Because like, what was it? I think we, halfway to Mankato, I think?

Yeah.

Is that what it was?

Very quickly.

So this is the first time you guys have met and you let him drive the car?

No, no, this was-

Oh, okay, this is a later time.

Probably a few months after, a year after.

Yeah, oh, and that's right, yeah. I think it was a, so this is where I tell people, like photo shoots or like any sort of like basic skill gets you far in life, like, you know, detailers and photographers in the car community. Like, because like me driving down events that were just a trade for getting photos of you on a Ducati.

Yeah, it was something like that, yeah.

Dude, I forgot about those photos.

Yeah.

Okay, let's backtrack here. So we did a photo shoot of him doing like wheelies on his Ducati, right?

Yep.

And I think we went out to go do rollers at one point too. I think, was this the same photo shoot where you were standing on top of the bike?

No, it was different. I remember somehow I wore like the exact same outfit on both the days and you pointed it out.

Dude, one of the sickest photos I've ever taken, like period, cars, bikes, whatever, is you on that curve and you had that white Nirvana shirt.

Yeah, that one is cool.

It felt like it was straight out of a, man, I'm going down memory lane right now. I completely forgot about that shoot.

I've seen the one where you're standing on a bike now that you're saying, talking about it. I did not know that was you, but that is pretty cool.

Yeah, that's my favorite picture ever.

Yeah.

Yeah, so in short, you're a bit of a daredevil.

A little bit.

Which is so wild, because we were talking a little bit about Senna before this, and Senna was always kind of composed, and you have that same composure, I feel.

Dude, I've heard that multiple times. Yeah, I'm just super mellow, quiet, lucky.

Which is like, and then it throws me off. When you get these energy spurts, I'm like, holy s***, Alex, are you okay? But you do these daredevil things. You race cars, like you had the GT4. You were doing racing for that. I know you're, I remember you took us out for a flight, me and Terry. That was pretty cool, because you fly planes as well.

Yeah.

I remember you asking, like, you want to go zero G, whatever, I'm like, no. Are they called cork screws when you go down?

We just did like a power off descent, emergency descent is what it's called, and you spiral down. So you would, in that situation, if you had like an engine fire, you'd kill your motor, but you want all that airspeed to put out the fire and wind going over it. So you just spiral out of the sky.

Yeah.

Pretty fun.

You're asking us like how much, like how comfortable we were. And I think Terry was like, oh no, no, but he was like kind of for it. I was like, absolutely the f*** not.

Are we talking about Terry Lowe?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that was kind of like our whole group back then. Like we had like these things called hump days. So like all the super, and I was in college at the time, and I had Wednesdays off or whatever, so I could easily join you guys for cruises. And they would, you know, all the super car guys would go out for like a lunch and a cruise. It was just, it was a blast.

Those are good times, man.

Yeah, kind of just, I think like after COVID, I think it just kind of calmed down.

Yeah.

People just got busy with like their kids or careers or whatever. It was just a weird time.

It was fun though, dude. Good group of guys, awesome cruises, go-karting, stuff like that. It was, bring it back.

Well, like Jeff Storms, he corrected, or he kind of taught me how to golf a little bit, like a top golf one of those times. Like I remember like he was like Keaton, I don't know, I think you were there at that one too. And then like I learned how to swing properly. So I was like, all right, properly-ish. If anybody wants my golf clubs, they're still for sale. But yeah, so then you got that. And then again, you're training to do other things. So I mean, let's just kind of start with, I guess, how did you end up racing the Porsche?

Yeah, dude, that was kind of a wild story. It was a little bit of talent and a whole lot of luck. So my mom actually started dating this guy who used to be a big-time professional racer. And then I met him. They only went on like one or two dates, but I met him. We instantly clicked more than him and my mom did. So yeah, I loved what he was doing, because I met him at the auto show, and he was doing like, he does like drifting for like Dodge. He goes around and travels and does all the drifting, does stuff for like Jeep and all the demo stuff. I was like, dude, this is so cool. I love cars. And then I'm like, I want to race. It's always been a dream. I want to give it a try. I was like, I was pretty old. I was like 23 already. And he's like, dude, you're kind of old. It's a little late to get started, but let's see what you got. So we went go-karting at Stockholm, and he was kind of impressed, and then did some similar stuff. He was more impressed. Then I went to Skip Barber Racing School, signed up for that, and ended up being like the fastest in the class when they're F4 cars, which is awesome. And then the following weekend, I did one of their races and finished in the top three.

So it was a full-on wheel-to-wheel race.

It was a wheel-to-wheel race, man. It was the only race car I've ever driven my second time ever on a track besides the school and did pretty well. Yeah, we got the GT4 club sport. I entered it in one of the PCA weekends at Brainerd, their lunacy weekend. Got first in my class, both races, and second overall in the second race, and then through networking and just working, man, I landed some sweet sponsorships and was able to go to Porsche Sprint Challenge. It all happened very fast.

Yeah, because that was only, I think, what, a couple years ago, because that was your 2022 season, I think, right? When do those seasons typically start? Like February or something?

Yeah, end of February, March is when that season took off.

And then it goes through November?

I think my last race was in September.

September, okay. Yeah, we'll get into that too. But yeah, so interesting.

So then when you get to that level, do you get invited to the races, or do you have to, because most of them you have to pay to enter in, right? Is that how that works? Or when you get to sponsors?

So that's where the sponsorship dollars covered. I had a sponsored budget, and so covered entry fees, the team, stuff like that.

In exchange for some stickers and stuff like that in the cars.

Change for, yeah, exactly, just a couple stickers.

Well, that's one thing, and a lot of people think these big shots, like these Formula One guys or whatever, they think that they got a free ride, too. They still have to pay for their spots. It's just that it's all covered by sponsors. Max Verstappen, I can't remember, but he has to pay an absurd amount, because your entry fee is based off the previous season's points. And the more points you score, the more expensive it gets.

Oh, really? So the better racer you are, the more expensive it is for you.

In Formula One. But even in racing, it's a wild world, and it's all about money. Like, I have a friend. I know this guy. I guess not a friend. But he just went up a... He got promoted an IMSA-level driver. And when he got promoted to a better driver, he was like, super pro now. He lost one of his rides, his sponsorships, one of his drives, because since he was pro, it's just weird, man. Something about money and...

It's just weird. It's a weird political world. And sponsors, like, you know... Everybody wants something different, too. Like, some people want to sponsor just, you know, have the sticker on the car to be known. Like, for example, if you think about, like, the Marlboro McLarens, everybody knows that livery. It's one of the best livery's of all time. And it's because of, you know, just this stupid sticker. Like, I can't imagine. I don't know what other marketing campaigns they did, but... Yeah, so then I think one of your main, or one of your bigger sponsors, like Ashley, on the side of Ashley Furniture, so that was pretty cool.

That was awesome. It was cool. Yeah, I had the car out to some of their stores every once in a while, and I'd go there and sign autographs and stuff. That's cool.

The thing is, it was a very short period where things were just getting crazier and crazier for you, but you actually had the results to back it up. Because last time we talked, I think you were telling me you were, what, I think you were third in the championship?

Dude, up until the very last race, I had a solid hold on third in the championship.

So how many points did you have in the season? Any idea? Like, was it a big difference between first, second, third, fourth?

The guy in first, young guy, awesome driver, was only 16. He may have been 17 by the time the season ended, but he had a decent lead, but second, third, fourth, and fifth were all pretty tight.

But you still had a pretty good hold.

I had a pretty decent gap from third to fourth. I was sitting pretty comfortably. As long as I would have finished in the top 10 or whatever in that last race, I would have been third in the championship.

Yeah. So again, it's up to you how much detail you want to get in here, but you showed me the video where somebody basically took you out.

Yeah.

Was that the last race? Like, last race? Okay.

So that was the second to last. That's two races per weekend. That was the Saturday race.

Okay.

And then it just, yeah, wrecked my car for the Sunday race.

Oh, so is it so okay? So there's two races per weekend. Are they like the same exact format?

Yeah. So the way of race weekend goes is Thursday. All the trucks come get loaded in Friday, usually just practice sessions. Saturday morning, there'd probably be you either do three practice sessions Friday or have two on Friday and one on Saturday morning. And then you have like a 25-minute qualifying session and then race one on Saturday. And then Sunday was always just race two. Okay.

Is it your practice sessions and things like that? Do you get the track to yourself or those kind of things? So do you go on with other cars?

You're out there with all the cars you'd race against.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. You don't get your own track.

Yeah, I was just curious. I didn't know if they timed it like here. You get this time slot. You get this time slot. And they let everybody kind of do like a test and tune, do that kind of stuff. So no, you're out there racing basically, but it's not anything official.

Yeah. I mean, you're not trying to race. You're usually letting people go by. Did you have more strategy stuff?

Did you have like your own like crew chief or anything like that? So who were you like working with, or who was talking you through things?

My coach, Andre.

Andre.

Okay.

And he was one of... Is he currently in charge of the Brainerd thing or no?

Not anymore. He was last year.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm getting people confused. But yeah, because like Andre, he was the Formula 3 guy. What was it?

He did F3 in Europe for a while. This was the peak of his career.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah. So, I mean, that was pretty good to have him coaching. So what are those conversations look like? Like during the race, I'm guessing he's talking you through stuff too?

Yeah. I mean, yeah. I learned a lot from this other coach, Jason Hart, excellent driver. Like knows GT4, especially the Porsche is better than anybody. And so the driving is a small part of it. We spend hours and hours going over data, telemetry and video and stuff like that. It's insane the amount of detail that the telemetry has. You're looking at like individual wheel speeds and it's ridiculous.

So I'm guessing you probably learned a lot about that then.

Yeah.

So how did that improve your driving? Was there an example of a particular weekend like you were looking at telemetry? I don't know.

How much does that come into play versus the feel of the car, knowing those other facts?

That's a good way of putting it.

Sometimes it's easier because it helps me visualize things, and it just helps you know what's possible almost. We're not talking about finding a tenth of a second or a hundredth of a second. Qualifying between the top seven guys was usually within three tenths of a second.

That's crazy.

That's a tight pack. I don't like one example down at the New Orleans track, Nola. A section of the track turns 10 or 11, I think. I'm not sure. It's been a few years, but I was lifting. It's a very fast section of the track, and I was lifting to maybe about 30% throttle to make it through the corner. And then he was like, no, you have to lift to 70%, and that was the difference between two tenths of a second. Just this much pedal travel. Which is, without computers and telemetry, how would you ever figure that out? It's this much of a difference in that pedal position.

Yeah, that makes sense, because I've gone out and made runs, and then I'm like, okay, I'm going to try a little faster. Then I end up in the grass, and I'm like, okay, maybe a little slower. But if you have somebody telling you, hey, you should be able to hit this corner at this speed with, like you said, your pedal at a certain thing, that would be very helpful.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's different, too. There was another thing that he taught me called the rule of five. So every lap around a racetrack, especially doing a race, is different. There's new rubber that's laid down, you know, conditions change, temperature, the temperature of the track changes, your tire condition changes. So every five laps, I'm re-evaluating, like, where my braking point is, turning point is, and I'm pushing just a little bit differently every five laps. So if I'm, I don't know if this will make sense, but, so let's say, out of those five laps, two laps, I hit my brake point every time. I hit the same brake point another lap, I pull it back a little bit, brake a little too early, the other lap, and the other lap I push a little bit farther. So the average of those five laps, whether I'm pushing like 90% or 110%, it averages out to 100%, if that makes sense.

Yeah, no, I get that.

It's an interesting way of looking at it.

Well, what would really help me is, again, you have that telemetry, and you have somebody that's also looking at your times and all that stuff, like you're able to figure out like what sector you're doing best in. And I'm struggling with that on iRacing, like I'll stitch together the perfect first sector, and then I will just blow it on the third or just try to figure out. It's such a fun, like it's almost like... I don't know if chess is a good way to describe it, but it's so... The amount of mental cognition that's going through trying to find that extra tenth, because you find a tenth in the breaking, and then you can nail your exit point, like that adds up down to straight. It's been so fun and addicting. So for those of you that are listening, when I was building my sim, I was talking to Alex a lot, because you have a really kick-a** sim. I think your sim was the first one I've ever been on three years ago. I think that's when you were using a Seto Corsa before iRacing, too. Yeah. And I was in the grass every single time. I did not know what I was doing. You were just like, let's put you in an easier car. But you've given me so many good tips, even via text, and it's like, I'll get seconds. You know, so it's just, I remember like, it was last week, I told you like when my time was on Road America with the GT3 Mercedes, and like I was crushing it. Like I shaved off like, I think six seconds or whatever, like, which is, you know, I went from like 221 down to 215, and then 213. Then I told you that I did 211 something, and then you just, you know, bought the car real quick because, you know, f****** iRacing, you gotta buy every car.

I did not realize that when I started racing on it either.

It's so expensive. And then he texts me back like 10 minutes later. Yeah, I did a 208. I'm like, all right, I got something to shoot for. And then I sent you like a phone video of like my screen because I don't know how to record on the thing yet, but and then you send me yours, and then you're just showing me like where the breaking points are. And I'm like, holy s***, like you're taking these corners like 15 miles an hour faster than me. So, I don't know. It just it boggles my mind that you're able to do that in a real car. Before we get too far into the show, I wanted to take a moment to talk about Razorhood. If your daily driver is having issues, aka your beater you got off Craigslist, Razorhood's telemechanics and AI tools can help you diagnose and solve the issues you may be dealing with for a fraction of the cost. All you have to do is add your car to the Razorhood garage to get started. You can provide the AI tool, also known as Gus, with the specifics of the issues you're having, and it'll help you narrow down what the culprit is. It's a great way to bounce ideas off of to figure out what actually might be the problem. You can then select from a variety of solutions to explore the cost and difficulty of doing the repair yourself versus taking it to a shop. If your car doesn't have detailed solutions yet, that's totally fine. Just go ahead and add your car to the garage for free, and that'll let the Razorhood team know what to focus on as they continue to develop and grow. If you want to try out Gus or chat with a telemechanic, go to razorhood.com and add your car to the garage to get started. Use code MINNOXIDEFREE for a one-month free subscription or MINNOXIDE20 to save 20% on a 30-minute call with a telemechanic. Let's get back to the show.

It's wild in a real car, man. And it sucks, too, because you know that Delta bar in iRacing, it shows you. It's like, oh, it's green. You have the exact same thing in the race car, too.

Oh, really?

Yeah. So in each lap, dude, you see green, and then, like, oh, you get so excited, and you push a little more and a little more, and then you end up over pushing it.

It's addicting, dude.

Screw up a whole lap. Same thing in real car, dude.

Yeah, like, so today, I fixed some of my calibration, like, when we were texting about it, and I literally shaved off a second, second and a half on all the tracks, and, you know, in the Miata, and then I used the GT4 Mercedes as a benchmark or whatever, and immediately just shaved it off. And then I probably, if I spun out a couple times, because I was pushing a little hard, but it's like, it's just been really fun to just dial that in. But that stupid green bar, I figured out how to remove it, thankfully, but you still have it on your steering wheel, which I'm fine with. But then I realized how much I hate that big bar on the top.

You hate it?

I used to like it, and then it was, I think my dad may have accidentally removed it or something, and then I just kind of forgot about it. And then when I added it back today, I was like, oh, no, that's really distracting.

Do you use the racing line?

What do you mean?

Just like...

The lines on the track.

Oh, no.

Don't do that.

Well, that's what I was doing when I was at your house, when I was trying out your thing, and then, like, it wasn't bad, but then I realized, like, I should probably take these off. Like, figure out my own line.

I don't even like to learn with them on.

No, I don't.

See, I was leaving them on to kind of learn with, but I've had them off, too, and I still...

I feel like you'll learn faster, though, with it off.

Really?

Yeah.

That's what I've noticed in myself. So, like, that's one of the reasons, like, I don't know tracks really well, because as a kid, I always had the lines on, like, for the most part. But now that I actually have, like, a physical feel of the car and all that, you know, with a sim, I just, yeah, I can't do it with the lines. They just distract me. Like, I'd rather, and the other thing is with the lines, I wasn't, it's like, when you were telling me when you were trying to learn to track, Dan, you were looking for, like, your reference points, like the 150 or whatever. The problem is when you have a line, you're focusing on the line and not the reference points.

I have noticed that. And then sometimes the line, I try and get in the line where I'm more comfortable in a different spot on the track than there. So.

Exactly. So that's that was a huge thing for me is because like you were looking at those reference points. I was like, reference points, what the f***? So then I started paying attention to that, and I'm able to break way later. Carrie must be like, yeah. So the lines are just a no go for me at this point.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that line adjusts either because you're not going to have the same line in a sports car versus like an open wheel car. You don't know if that line changes based on.

Oh, yeah, it might just be pretty tracked, right? Doesn't matter what you're driving.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because they're going to have totally different lines in a different car.

Did you play games as a kid, like Gran Turismo or anything?

Forza.

Forza?

Yeah, I started in like Forza 4. Oh, wow, OK. Which was one of the best ones, I think.

My first, so I grew up with Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo 2 on PlayStation 2. The red Viper comp coupe, that was my car. That was my favorite car. That's why I'm a Viper lunatic. But then eventually I got an Xbox, and I think I got like a hand-me-down like Forza 2. And then there was like this Nissan. It was like, not an IMSA car, but one of those crazy top R&D type cars, whatever. So that was one of my favorite in Forza 2, because it was fast. Which by the way, and you've done some coaching at Brainerd. I want to talk about that and all that too. But you've done drifting in a Miata, I think, before too, right?

A little bit. JWP is actually finishing up a drift car for us right now.

I forgot about that.

So I'm pretty excited.

Yeah, so you've done everything from race cars to a Miata, right? So you know how to drive across the board.

Yeah, I've driven a lot of cars.

That was another crazy thing. So I remember I was talking to you about the GT3 and the 992, whatever. And so I jumped into the GT4 after racing on Miata for weeks. And I'm just like, this is fast. I didn't think this was going to be this fast. But when you jump from a slow car knowing the lines and then you jump into a fast car knowing the lines, it's a lot scarier.

Well, see, that's I've only been racing Mustang GT3. Like that's our 4GT, GT3 or whatever. That's all I've been practicing with. So I don't even know where you found the Miata's in there.

They're free, dude. Yeah, they're free. You don't have to buy them again.

The Miata's, I think, it's probably the most fun I've had on iRacing is in the Miata's.

I'll have to give it a shot.

And the races are just all the time is the thing. You can just race back to back to back to back and you'll spend hours. And you're like, well, it's been all day.

If those Miata races are a different breed, dude, like I always thought like the the Instagram or like the TikToks of iRacing were just like, you know, jokes, like, you know, just, you know, the occasional bad lobby. It's every lobby. I'll qualify last. Yeah. I'll start last on purpose. And I'll literally watch six cars take each other out by turn one.

Yeah, exactly.

It's so crazy. Yeah.

So I need to get your iRating out. I rating up because that that helps.

Yeah. Well, I think now with my tweaks that I did today, like, you know, finding that extra second, I think that's going to be huge.

Oh, yeah. Did you're going to dominate? It's going to shoot up those.

Some of those guys are good, though. I know it's super good.

They're good. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I don't know if that is a disadvantage to me. I feel like there might be. I could be totally wrong. I feel like because I know what a real car will do, I drive it like a real car. And I think if you don't have that experience, you might be able to get away with some things that you know, wouldn't work game more than. If that makes sense.

How do you do? How do you stack up between your real racing career and I racing? Do you when you hop into a race like that, do you place pretty good or OK?

Well, first of all, my whole racing career, I have to thank I racing. The only track I went to was Brainerd. I did like one track day, and then I did the skip barber racing school at New Jersey Motorsports Park. And then so my races all over the country, I had never been to any of those tracks before it was time to race. And so before I would have the tracks and I racing, so I would just do hours and hours, thousands of laughing, I racing, I'd show up and you have like you really don't have that long. You have three, like 25 minute practice sessions, and that's it to get used to your car, to get used to the track. And then it's qualifying time, it's go time. So yeah, thanks to I racing, I had the tracks down, I could show up and put up a good fight.

That was one of the reasons that I picked it up too, just because we do, and I'm not doing this on any kind of professional level, just as a fun thing, but to learn the tracks before I go there, we had a friend of ours who really scared me before we went on Road America. He's like, there's blind hills and corners, and this is where everybody crashes and all this stuff. And I'm thinking, dude, it's just a racetrack.

You're talking about Massey?

Yeah, like what the hell, man? So I was like, OK, maybe the Sim helped take a little bit of a stress off when I showed up at a track.

When you ran Road America, did they run the kink?

Yeah.

How was that?

I didn't notice the kink, really. It wasn't that bad.

I was crapping my pants in the kink.

Yeah, and maybe I was not coming in as hot as people. You can go into the kink.

Our minimum speed through the kink that we were trying to stay at, this speed or above, was 117 miles per hour at the apex.

OK. I don't even know. I know my hypothetical was like a 237, and I think my fastest time around without the hypothetical was like a 240-something. And a GT500, the newer one, the 2020.

Oh, nice one.

Yeah. So with PS4s, OK. Mission and Pilot Sports.

Yeah, we were on slicks. I don't remember. I think it was like 220 or something.

I want to go back with my carbon wheels and my Cup 2s and give it another run. I think I might do a little better.

Yeah, dude, especially if you spent some time on iRacing first, you'd get down. Yeah.

I would love to see you beat Mark. I know Mark has 300 more. He has 300 more. Basically, I have our buddy Mark. He has the same GT500. I think I have. Oh, yeah, yeah. You may have met him. He has a GT500 that's 300 horsepower more than his, probably closer to four if it's to the wheel, I guess.

Yep, yep.

So it's faster.

Yeah.

But man, would I love to see Dan just smoke him.

It feels good, dude, to do that.

Well, the thing is, Mark has a lot of track time. You've probably seen him at Brainerd before. He's done his Perfomante up there, his GT500. So that dude's got 60 track days under his belt. That's a lot.

That's a lot.

But that's so cool that you were able to translate these tracks and learn them. Because I never driven Road America. I haven't even been on as a passenger. And I'm glad I didn't drive Sean's 1M, because I tried driving manual on the sim on a track. Oh, dude, it's brutal. We're going to have to get some lessons for that. But to put that practice in and learn to track, that's huge. Because if you could put in 1,000 laps before you're even there, and then you do those 25-minute sections just to adapt, I guess, that's big.

Yeah. It was crazy, too, is the GT4 that we have, is the GT4, the Porsche GT4, is the GT4 that iRacing modeled and recorded. So it's literally my GT4 in iRacing. Like, that's my engine behind that Porsche GT4 in iRacing. Which is wild.

So I know you said that they did the audio. So what was everything that they modeled? They didn't model, like, the whole car or anything, did they?

So they did that before we had it, so I'm not sure. But, like, there's a... If you go to design the Porsche GT4, they have that... I forget what it's called. Shoot. That green wrap on there, that's something bastard. The green bastard or something. I don't know. But that was the wrap that was on the car when I got it. And it's one of the liveries in iRacing.

Gotcha. OK, so it was that car.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they, like, 3D scanned it to upload into the...

Gotcha. And then when you got the car, you just put all your liveries and stuff on. Gotcha. OK, now I'm caught up. That's super cool, though. The fact that the car that's in the game is your car.

Yeah, it's wild.

That helps you practice a little bit, too, I suppose.

Yeah. I didn't even find that out until halfway through the season, I think.

Really?

So how much of an impact has iRacing had on your actual... How similar is the car in game to the car in real life?

Dude, it's identical. It's surprisingly accurate. I mean, conditions are always different, and then I think they have a different tire modeled in iRacing versus what my car ran. And in our series, we had a little bit different suspension than what that car was modeled on. I think that was modeled on the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge Series. So that car is just a little bit faster, which in iRacing is always a little bit faster. But it's surprisingly accurate, man. It's so close.

It's like 90% of the way there.

Probably 95%, dude.

I heard it's supposed to be the most accurate.

It's ridiculous. Dude, the breakpoints are the same. Most of the tracks are pretty updated to real life, but there's a few differences in some of the tracks just because it's a couple of years old. But dude, breakpoints are the same. Where you shift gears is the same. It's insane.

So when you're racing, what do you mentally think about? That's such a loaded question, by the way. There's a hundred things that you could probably talk about. But are you more so just thinking about what gear you're in when you're getting to the end of a straight? You're probably never looking down on how many miles per hour you're going, I'm guessing, right?

No, I never. In a race car, dude, some of them don't even have speedometers, but the speed is just a tiny little thing.

It's distracting.

Yeah, you don't need it, too. There's no reason. I know some of my speeds from after the races and looking at data, but when you're talking about, it's like, what RPM are you going through this corner at in fifth gear, whatever, because it equals the speed. So it's interesting, dude. It's not what you would think. Yeah, people are always like, oh my god, how fast are you going? I was like, dude, I don't know.

No idea. So are you more so trying to play by sound, then?

Sound is a big part of it. It's mainly just feel, man, which you don't get nearly as much in iRacing.

Do you have haptics on yours at all, anything?

Dude, I do have a butt kicker, but I haven't figured it out yet.

I put it on mine. That was one thing. So my first experience was with a motion rig, and I thought to myself, my car's not doing as much of this as some of the motion rigs do, right? So I was like, I want to be able to feel the rumble, the RPMs, like that kind of stuff is what I was mostly worried about. So I added a butt kicker, and they're super simple to put on, yeah. Especially if you have probably the aluminum like T nut type rig. Yeah, so there's a mount that comes with it that I just mounted right underneath my seat.

What do you have it, the butt kicker referencing? Is it like referencing your engine RPM? Is it referencing gear shifts? Is it doing the curbs?

So there's an iRacing plugin that you add to your PC as well. And so then it will work with iRacing. Then iRacing has their own metrics that they'll put in. So if you run it just like on an Xbox, it goes off of the sound. So anything that's bassy, if you hit the rumble strip, things like that. But iRacing is actually a plugin. So when I shift, I feel it shift, like a pause in the rumble. You hit the rumble strips, it shakes the living s*** out of the thing.

Do you only have one butt kicker?

One, yes. I think I might add a second one, just like a left and right thing. Some people can do all four corners, but I think one is doing... I think it makes a huge difference. I've been in ones that don't have it, and it feels kind of like dead, right? I mean, it's not really a lot. I think it adds a lot. If you run off the feel, like you're saying, because that's kind of how I drive too, I think it makes a huge difference.

Oh yeah, flick and do it. Because I've tried motion, and I don't think it's super accurate at all. It's more distracting than helpful.

I don't want to say gimmicky, because it's not that, but I think if you're somebody who wants to go in and try a sim rig, or you're going to do it as top golf type thing, if you want to go do that, then you would probably be like, oh, I want a motion rig. For what you have to pay to get motion, I don't think it's worth the price.

I don't think so, and I don't think it's going to help you get faster.

Yeah, I think there's other things, like you said, the feel, but then one of the next upgrades I'll probably do is get the haptics for my braking.

Yeah, that would be another one, too.

That's what I really want. That's a big component.

It comes down to the feel. After building ours, I've tried various ranges. I've tried yours, which is more on the budget range, I'd say. Then my rig is in between Dan's and yours, and then yours is a step up from ours. Then I've tried a couple of motion, a three motion rigs at PRI, I think it was, because we've tried both at Camille's, because they were both different, which are super cool. That was an awesome set up. And then Podium had their $45,000 set up, or whatever, there too. And I think between all of them, I think I probably liked Camille's the best, which are around that 15 to 20 range, I think.

Camille's rigs were great.

And they were also turned down a little bit, because they're in a trailer, right? So you don't want all that motion pushing on the trailer.

Yeah, I can imagine.

So they were a little bit turned down. So I kind of liked that. But again, it's like, especially with someone like you, who actually translates it into real life, you're able to actually have a... You're allowed to have a judgment on this, right? Like, okay, the motion thing, a little excessive.

I haven't tried many, to be honest, but the ones that I have tried, I would just rather not have the motion.

Right. Yeah.

They're fun, though. They're cool. Crazy to see.

And it's not to say they don't do a job, either. They do something, but it's like, man, you know, that extra, what is it, 5,000 minimum or whatever?

Yeah, minimum for a cheap setup. Yeah.

I don't know. I think I would have to get more seat time in Camille's down at Chicago, Sim Racing Chicago, to see how I feel about it.

Yeah.

I'm undecided. It's a lot of money, too.

My wheel has haptics, too. I went with the Logitech Pro, so it's 15 newton meters, but it also has TrueForce, which adds some rumble to the wheel. I like my wheel a lot, but I got the Pro pedals, and I don't like them. I'm going to get probably like what he got from some Magic. Something maybe with hydraulics.

My buddy just got hydraulic ones, and I don't have hydraulics, but they're already super finicky for him. They're leaking a little bit, and he's had to bleed them a couple times already.

So you have a load cell, which is what I think ides.

I have it set super stiff, dude.

Yeah, that was fun.

Is yours stiff?

Oh yeah, I rock. I should probably see whatever the out-of-the-box setting is, it's just pretty stiff. The way I compare it to is doing 90 pounds on a leg press with a single leg. It's a workout. But I like it, my back kind of got accustomed to it because the first few times, my back would get sore after 20 minutes. The seat we got, shout out to Joe DeVito, by the way, we're having him on the podcast in a couple weeks. Otherwise, I would have had to wait three weeks for a stupid seat. But we got a Racequip seat, so it's a legit seat from Summit Racing, got it for a good price. It's super awesome, it's nice. The feel is there. The only thing we're waiting on is the stupid triple monitor mount. Oh, you're going to love that, dude. Track racer's taking a minute.

I know, dude, my buddy just built a rig, ordered from them, and everything's back-ordered.

Well, all that Black Friday.

The model price, one, 200 bucks. I just put mine on to put it together, it's nice.

I'm sure it is. I'm glad you're having fun.

I only have one monitor on it, though. I haven't pulled the trigger on two more monitors yet.

Okay, so we're in the same position. Yeah, I think the track... And then we have our official steering wheel coming here in the next week or two. It's the brand new one from SimMagic, the GT Neo. Super, super cool looking. Hopefully it doesn't suck because it's brand new. That's the problem, getting things in the first year. If it's anything like cars...

Do you run a formula wheel on yours then, too?

It's kind of a hybrid. It's the cube controls, whatever. It looks like a formula wheel, but I think it's slightly wider than a formula wheel. So it's just right in between.

And then you run your GT4 wheel, too, right? Like when you're doing GT4 stuff?

That's the wheel I use for GT4. It's pretty close.

So can I ask... I don't follow the racing as much as... You guys were nerding out here before this whole thing starting on all these names of these people that drive cars, and I don't know who any of them are. But can I ask a really stupid, ignorant question? So GT3, GT4, is there a difference? What is the difference between the two?

GT4, a little less power. I had like 450 horsepower on my car. The GT3 car has 500, which isn't that big of a difference. GT3 car is a little lighter, way more downforce. So it was like, I think, Road America, it was like 10 seconds faster than us, which is a lot.

That's about right. Like, again, bringing it back to sim racing, it's like I did, I accidentally, or my dad accidentally loaded up the GT4 instead of the GT3, and I was trying to figure out why I was spinning out so much. And I'm like, it can't be that different. It was about 15 seconds slower.

Yeah, I was like, it's pretty big.

So you said 50 horsepower between a GT4 and a GT3 then roughly?

Probably a little more. Yeah.

That's still crazy. Because like, again, in such a light car, like if I put 50 horsepower into golf, like that's a big difference.

So Mark and I were about 10 seconds apart at Road America, and he was 400 more horsepower than me. And I could feel it on the straights on that Road America has that long straight. And it was like even my car with it pinned to the floor, I'm like, let's go a little faster here, man.

How fast were you going at the end of that straight?

I could get to about almost 160 before I'd have to brake on that first. That corner, was that turn one? Is that what that'd be considered? It freaks me out because it's 90, you know? And I'm coming in real hot, so I'm sure I'm braking way earlier than I needed to. I realized that I wasn't working my brakes or relying on them as much as I should or could in that car.

Dude, braking is where everything is at. I've told you that multiple times. Braking is where all the speed is.

Yeah.

Yeah, somebody got into an argument with me about this, but I think I may have misphrased it. But I believe what you said was, in a Miata, what's faster, 0-60 or 60-0?

Yeah, it's the 60-0.

Yeah, what's the 60-0 to 60 in a Miata? Like, 7 seconds, probably? The new ones are probably a little less. Whereas braking, 60-0, it's like, what, 100 feet?

Yeah, that's very fast.

So once I realized that, it's huge. And again, today, dialing in my brakes, I'm able to pick up an extra 10th here and there. That adds up. So looking at the telemetry, again, to go back to the earlier question, how hard is it to translate what you see on a sheet or on a computer to actually braking? For example, you said 70% and 30% earlier.

Yeah, I mean, once there was a little learning curve, but it all makes sense when you have a great guy who knows it all, explaining it to you. He can put that data into words pretty easily.

That's huge.

Have it make sense.

Was it confusing at first?

A little bit. You're like, dude, what am I looking at? Because it's just crazy graphs overlaid with each other. And you're like, yeah, it's just graphs. And like, OK, I have no idea where on the track this even is. But now it's like, it just makes sense.

Do they sync it up to the track, or how does that work? Because if you're looking at a particular data point...

Yeah, so at some points, you're just looking at the graph. But the main view was on the bottom. It had all the data, like throttle position, brake, pedal position, whatever. And then top left was a track map with your little indicator on it. And then top right was the onboard footage synced up.

So what kind of tracking tools are they using? Any idea? Like, what would they throw in your car?

What is it called?

I don't remember, dude. Some of these Gridlife guys might use the same thing.

Probably.

Track Rabbit, is that one they were using?

No, you're talking about the app.

Yeah, no, this was a whole in-car system.

I'm trying to think what it was called. God damn it.

Dude, I can't remember either.

Yeah, it was Spexo.

It was regulated in the series. Every car had to use the.

Same thing. Right. When you started in this, you have this team, right? Do they seek out you? You go to a race once, and you're like, holy crap, I'm kind of good at this. I need to find a coach. I need to do this. Do you go out and hire these people?

My coach put all that together. I would have not known what to do at all.

Do you find him coming out of Skip Barber then? Where did you pick up this coach?

He dated my mom.

So that was your coach?

He took me under his wing. And he was great too. The biggest benefit of having him was all his connections to make connections to the race teams, the series, Porsche, and all that stuff. I would have been totally lost without him. I was wondering how you stumbled into all this. He was a huge resource.

I remember you talking about him getting you into all this stuff, but I didn't realize that he was still on as your coach. Does your mom love that?

It's been a while since I've raced.

Boy, if you don't shut your Dr. Phil a** up.

I was just curious.

All right, in the back, we're going to bring in Alex's mom. What do you have to think about?

We have a surprise guest. Yes, your mom's here.

Stupid. Stupid. God damn it. I lost my train of thought. Just ridiculous. Oh, how did you decide on the Porsche? How did that happen?

That was through his influence and his recommendation because that series that I raced in was pretty brand new. It was a new series, and he thought it would be a good place for someone new to make their name. So when I raced, it was the second year that that series existed, which made sense. Next year, there's a new Mustang Challenge series that looks awesome. So maybe in the next year or two, it will probably be cheaper than Porsche, hopefully. Probably a very similar cost.

That's the weird thing. So is it like a GT3 Mustang?

So they have a GT4 and GT3. They look awesome, dude, if you haven't seen them.

Oh, yeah, I've seen them.

Yeah, I think they were running the GT3 at Daytona.

Yeah, I heard it didn't do too well.

Oh, it didn't?

That's what I saw in the comments. I don't know if there's truth to it, but...

I don't know, dude. I wanted to pay more attention to the sports cars, but I was watching on Peacock and like all we ever... They only streamed like the two GTP cars in front. It was hard to see what else was going on.

Yeah, I saw one of the guys I follow on Instagram, 458Destroyer, like was just destroying this one guy. Like he took out one of the cars in a class above or below him. Just rookie mistake sort of deal.

Yeah, that's racing, man.

Yeah, part of it is racing too. Those 296 Ferraris look epic.

Dude, they look good.

That is a good looking car.

That is a sweet car.

Yeah, but either way, it's like the first year of them running the GT3 Mustang or GT4 Mustang, whatever it was, I think with this regulation. Like we saw that with the C8 the first year at Daytona. It struggled. It really struggled. I think they had like oil issues or something like that. But they figured it out. They did very well. I think they even won a year maybe. I don't know.

But probably.

Who knows? I don't know. I'm talking about my a** on that one. But nonetheless, like that'd be really cool. But what I was going to get at there is like, when you start getting into the GT4, GT3 categories, like these club sport cars, I feel like it doesn't matter what brand you do. They're all kind of like the same price.

Well, they have to be specced similar to, right? I mean, a lot of them have the... They got to have the same horsepower, things like that. I mean, there's rules as to what it can or can't be, depending on what it is or no.

Yeah, so our series was a factory series. So they're all... Like, even like I had... I'm a small guy, so I had tons of lead sitting next to me because I needed weight in the car, stuff like that. And just like very... the windows that you can adjust things are very small. So it comes down to driverability, which is great, I think.

Was that just like a Porsche series then, right?

It was strictly, yeah, Porsche Sprint Challenge.

No, yeah, that'll do it.

So if you decide you want to do this Ford one, you have to get a car then, too? You have to go out and get a new car?

That'd be cool. Well, dude, like, Ford is crushing it right now. Like, their CEO is...

Yeah, they're smart.

Dude, like, I love watching or seeing the interviews with the CEO, because he's just all gung-ho. Like, we're doing cool s***, and we're gonna keep doing it. Like, whereas everybody else is like, Evie, like, it's just... It's tough. It's tough right now. So, and I grew up Mopar, but it's like, Ford's just doing... They're the enthusiast brand right now, I feel.

Yeah.

I'd love to see you in a Ford. That'd be cool.

Yeah, I would agree.

Dude, the GT350R is one of my favorite cars.

Okay.

I've ever driven. That car is awesome.

We had Simon Cigier, the team principal of Cigier Motorsport. And I think he either has a 350 or I think he has a 350R. And it's like, it's such an awesome car. He says that's just like one of his favorite cars ever.

Dude, it's so awesome to pound around a track and it just does everything so well. Balanced perfectly, handling is awesome, shifting is great. Yeah, it's phenomenal.

And they just nailed all those things are perfect.

I've heard it's supposed to be a track monster.

It is, dude. It's unbelievable.

That's what Kenny has. Yeah.

Well, his is an R. I need to get those suckers on the podcast. Are they coming up here for Polar Run?

That would already happened. They did it.

Oh, is that the?

Oh, wait. No, there is Polar Run coming up. You're right. It's when I leave for... So that's coming up in a couple of weeks.

I'll get them over here. We'll start drinking. Those are like one of a few guys, like I don't drink much. I'll drink with those guys. Those guys are a good time.

The 350R... So the GT350 itself had some oil consumption issues. It had some... There were some things, but the R actually has a different... Slightly different engine in it. It's like a different generation that doesn't fall into that same category of those problems. Or if you get a 2019 or up 350, then that would be what they call the second gen of the Voodoo motor.

Dude, I would totally get a GT350R. That car was awesome. Yeah.

Over an M2?

Dude, I haven't driven an M2, to be honest.

Those have always been... Those are the comparisons I was seeing all the time from 2016 to 2020 or whatever. 350 versus the M2. I think they were within a tenth of a second on a particular test track. The 350 would be gone into straights. We're talking stock for stock, but the M2 would just dive bomb into corners.

That's awesome. Dude, it kind of happens once you start racing. You just... It happens to a lot of racers. You just lose interest in street cars. I haven't paid attention to street cars. I used to have that crazy M4, and I don't give a s*** anymore. I'm so happy with my pickup truck on the road. It's a rafter, but I love it. I don't want anything else.

Well, it's like when you have a genuine toy like that, that's ridiculous.

There's just nothing you can do on the street. Like, now am I driving, too, after doing all this? Like, I'm like, I drive like a grandma on the road.

What's the point, right, if you can't go full bore?

Dude, well, another thing is being an instructor up at Brainard, and then you see all these people that come and show up, and dude, they're terrible, man. They're so bad. And I'm like, dude, holy, I'm sharing the road with these people. I'm just way more cautious now than I was before I started racing.

Yeah, Michael Peterson has said the same thing, too. It's like, that's why we want to do the short track for the... Because we're doing a collaboration where we're going to go up there for the driving school. So anybody... I need to figure out if there's a discount code that they're giving me or not. But it's going to be like a Minnoxide kind of track day, which is going to be fun. But that's what Michael Peterson was saying, too. Like, you know, the long track is kind of for the guys that want to just show off their top speed or whatever. And when you're in the passenger seat of somebody who may or may not know what they're doing, it's kind of sketchy is how he described it.

Yeah. No, dude, I'm kind of over right seat instructing.

So what do you typically do? Do you also have left seat instructing? Would I jump in with you or?

Yeah, I do that. So if like someone's brand new or not brand new, but they're intermediate, like I'll ride with them for a little bit. And then like you like similar to your example, they don't know what's possible and what the car can do. So then I'll hop in the left seat and then go maybe like 70 percent blows their minds, dude. And then they get way more. They learn a lot from that. They're like, oh, it's this. It's supposed to feel like this. The car can do this and then gives them a little more confidence in their car.

Have you driven a new GT500 yet?

Did I have not driven a GT500?

Do you want to?

Sure, man.

Well, make this arrangement. I'm going to get in the passenger seat.

Well, that's one of the cool things about these instructor ride-alongs, is you're able to see what a car can do. Even you at 70% is him at 150%. Right, yeah. And me, it's like I'm in a smart car. It's just ridiculous.

I know, dude. Yeah, it means the instructor, a joke. Me and another instructor will joke. We'll be flying around turn three at 100-plus miles an hour. We'll say something to each other on the radio, driving, and the person next to is having complete religious experience.

I remember my first time on a track was actually at the Vegas rental thing or whatever. So I rented a Huracan or whatever, first time on track, five laps. If you've never driven a supercar, do it. It's super fun. It's life-changing, but I would never do it again. For me, it's just not worth it. Now, granted, I do want to go back there and drive that KTM. I need to go drive that KTM.

That would be cool, too.

But I just need to... That Simon dude is just so cool. But the thing is, I didn't get to push it as much as I would have liked to. Because again, they have instructors in the car.

Yeah, their job is to make sure the car comes back in one piece.

Right. Because if you're riding shotgun and we take you on the Mercedes, it's our car, whatever. But when you're the employee of this rental place with all these 200,000 plus dollar cars, it's a little different story.

Yeah.

So I think, again, I only took that up to like 120 or 130.

What's it take you to do five laps, like 15 minutes worth of driving or what?

Yeah, I think it was like, no, not even, dude. Like 10 minutes maybe for five laps. So like. Yeah, there's that. And I think.

What'd that cost you?

Like 500 bucks.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it was cool. Like it was my first time driving, or my only time driving a Huracan, but I guarantee you if I went back there now, I'd make the instructor s*** their pants. Like the instructor was literally like, what do you drive back home? An SUV? And I was like, ain't no way. He just said that to me, bro. Like it's true though. I drove like a grandma. Cause like those instructors, again, like they, was it Dream Vegas? I don't know. Whoever it was, like they hire legit, like retired.

They're good guys.

F3, F2 guys, whatever. So they got talent.

Those dudes make a lot of money. A lot of money. I heard like on their bad days, they're pulling like 50 grand a day. Something insane.

Really?

Really? Well, yeah, you only need, you know, 50 to 75 people to show up throughout the day, and it's Vegas.

Yeah, everyone's there. They make ridiculous amounts of money.

And it depends how many laps you do. Like we just did the five. I think today had an option of like three, five, and then up to like 20 laps or whatever. Which by the way, you really don't get to feel a car until you-

Like that's why I was thinking five laps is-

It's nothing.

You're just barely getting warmed up at that point, right?

Yeah, like your third lap, maybe even your second lap would be like your first flying lap. Like if you're an actual professional driver, but when you're somebody like me, who's doing 50% or 60% with the car's cable of, maybe, maybe even 30%, it's like you're not getting enough heat in those tires to really see what it's capable of. Yeah, it's just crazy.

Well, just like running the 30-minute sessions at Road America, by the time 30 minutes was up, I was like, holy crap, that was 30 minutes already? It doesn't seem like it, because you're constantly thinking every time, every corner, I'm trying to think, what should I do here, what should I do there? And it goes by way faster than you think.

Yeah. Yeah, man, driving on a limit's like the most mentally exhausting thing I've done. It's wild.

Well, even coming out of the sim, you'd be like, oh, you're just here playing video games. It was like, my arms hurt, like I'm kind of like, I'm tensed up, you know? So yeah, it takes a little bit out of you too, just driving a sim.

Oh, for sure.

You know what my favorite feeling is, is when you enter that flow state, when you're just kind of doing everything, just like you're not even conscious of it, you're just getting faster and faster, and there's just a certain feeling to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean, man. It's a good time, dude. It's a day thing, I love it.

What's the longest stint you've ever pulled on iRacing, and then I guess in real racing?

Dude, I've probably, me and my buddy are on iRacing all day sometimes. We'll probably do like seven or eight hours in a row, just around the same track, same car, just pounding around. The most I ever did in real life was a test day at Sebring. And over two days, I put like just over a thousand miles on my car around Sebring, which was a lot. And Sebring's probably the most brutal track in America. It's the original pavement, and it's multiple different types of pavement, dude. It's bumpy, dude, brutal.

That's part of character in a track I've heard, right?

Oh, dude, it's one of my favorite tracks. I love it for that reason. Like turn one, you're coming around, you're flying. It's fast, dude. And like your car is just like skipping towards the outside of the corner. It's wild.

And you said it's original pavement?

Yeah, for sure it's the original pavement. It used to be an airport, but yeah, I don't think they've done any pavement changes since it's never been repaved, man. So there's, you're like, it's wild too, cause you'll have more grip in certain areas of the track than others, cause like one's like actual pavement and some of it's concrete. It's a cool place.

So that was one of your favorite tracks. And then, so in order, I guess, it doesn't have to be in order, but what are your top three tracks in real life?

In real life, Sebring's one of them for sure. Virginia, VIR is awesome, man. It's so beautiful. And those uphill S's are ridiculous. They're so exciting. And then third, I don't know, Indy was cool because it's Indy. It was cool to be able to drive on that circuit, and it's just a wild facility. Ozarks is cool though, man.

I've heard things about that.

It's like a mini Nurburgring, and it's wild. It was brutal though, dude, and it was scary, because you have that, you have guardrails along the whole thing pretty much, so there's not very much room for error.

Blind hills.

Yeah, most of the corners are blind, off camber. It's wild. The elevation change is insane. There's one point, dude. So we were the first professional series to race there, and there hasn't been any since, because we had 32 cars registered to start that race, and after the practice isn't qualifying, by the time the race starts, I think we're down to 17.

Like people crashing or just wanting to dip out?

Both, because it's a frightening place. It would be awesome in a little bit slower of a car.

Yes.

But dude, there's one point in that track where you're flying. I would consider it the straightaway, but on every other track, the straightaway, you can relax a little bit, stretch your shoulders, look at your gauge and stuff, see what's going on. Dude, now you're, because it's, it crests, dude. There's two hills. And on the second one, dude, my RPMs would just shoot up because my wheels were leading the ground.

Yeah, that's, I heard that because like when the Cannonball Rally guys won there, they were like, some of the guys that I talked to on the rally, they were like, it's sketchy.

It's sketchy, dude, but it's awesome. It's a freaking roller coaster.

Well, your car, again, it's like only 450 horsepower, but that is a lot of horsepower in a car. So I did VIR, again, on the sim. So not quite the same, but I got very familiar with the Mazda. I got my breaking points, everything down. I really enjoyed VIR and the Mazda. Then I tried it in the GT4. And I mean, it's kind of like what you mentioned earlier, Dan, it's like, you're tense. That was the tensest I ever was. Those uphill S's, dude, in a fast car like that, I was s******* bricks. The fact that you do that in real life, again, it comes back to how crazy that is.

Yeah, dude, it's nuts. Yeah, I was nervous. Dude, there's been some like, oh s*** moments. You're like, f***. But yeah, I didn't really get scared till after. You're still in the zone. And then after, dude, like after the race is over, then you're like, dude, holy s***, that was.

Yeah, I just did that.

That was ridiculous.

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Yeah, man, racing was cool. It's super hard to like make a living doing it. It's very inconsistent. So I've been in school and I'm trying to be a pilot. So I've been working on that lately, but yeah, I want to get back into racing and do more of it. I've been working at Brainerd, doing the instructing, which is awesome. But yeah, we'll see. Hopefully we'll put together something next year. I'll be back in the car.

And I think you did mention you would like to make the... Well, the thing is you have options, right? You could do the Ford thing. You could jump up to GT3.

You could try and do the Ford thing, try GT3 car, dude. I want to end up in the prototypes, like the LMP3 or the LMP2. That's the goal, dude. Daytona 24 hours. That's the goal, man. If I compete in that race, win.

I was gonna ask you if any of the endurance stuff was something you'd be interested in, the 24 hours stuff.

Yeah, 24 hours Le Mans, 24 hours Daytona, 12 hours the Sebring. Those are the top three races that I want to compete in one day.

I feel like the age ceiling is different in that too, compared to open wheel. Would you say that's right?

Oh, dude, for sure. I would have loved a career in open wheel, but I would have had to start 20 years ago.

That's the crazy thing. Again, Dan, I don't know how much you follow this. Probably nothing, but to have even a remote chance to get into like Formula One, or even two, three, whatever, like you need to start when you're a kid, like five years old. Like, for example, if Rowan wanted to get into Formula One, like it might not be too late for her, but like she's 13, she's a boomer.

That's too late for Formula One.

It's never gonna happen. Like, unless you just started like this ridiculous prodigy and you can secure the funding and all these things, the amount of green lights you would have to get, it's just, it's next to impossible.

It is, yeah.

So, yeah.

So, where are they starting them off on?

On carts?

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, but then you work your way up to like shift their carts and stuff.

And then you go F4, F3, F2.

Yep, so you have to work your way through. And now, you don't necessarily have to win in each of those series to make it up. For example, like, you could be like third place in Formula Two, but like if a seat opens up with the parent team, you can end up over there. As well. That's a good, some half garbage way of explaining it. But like, you don't necessarily have to be a winner. You could finish second or third in a championship. Basically, just show promise. So like, for example, Williams would have like a Formula One team and a Formula Two team. And if you place third on their Formula Two team and the seat opened up on Formula One, then you could potentially get that seat, unless there's some weird trade going on or something.

Dude, so my coach, Andre Serra, he was a Logan Sargent's coach when he was carding and doing F4 and F3, I think. It took him all the way to F3.

That's cool.

It's pretty cool, yeah.

Yeah, Logan Sargent is currently in F1, so. Not doing too hot, but it's okay.

It's his first year.

Yeah. Dude, speaking of first years, how about Piastri? Did you watch his stats at all this year?

Dude, I didn't really follow up much this year.

Which is fine, but yeah, basically Piastri got in there and he's crushing it.

Crush it? Yeah, I remember that, yeah, that's awesome.

I think he got first on one of the races.

Did you see what happened this morning? Lewis has gone to Ferrari.

Dude, so it's wild. Lewis, nor Mercedes, nor Ferrari have made an official announcement, but it sounds like it's everywhere.

Ferrari made the official announcement.

Did they actually do it? So that's for 2025, I think, right? That's crazy. I kind of saw it happening, and everybody was like, nah, Harris, you're an idiot. I'm like, yeah, it seems like since the dawn of time, everybody wants to finish their career at Ferrari or be at Ferrari at least once. Like they're the granddaddy of the sport. They just are.

They're the name, yeah.

I mean, I wish Williams, I would love to see him make a comeback because they were crushing it for a while.

They were crushing it a while ago, yeah.

McLaren's on the up and up again, but I don't know, I'm excited for the season to start here. I think we have three weeks, four weeks.

It's coming up, dude.

Yeah, I'm super, super stoked on that front. So yeah, who do you aspire to? Who's like your, who's the race guy for you?

Like my heroes?

Yeah.

Senna for sure, it's up there. Dude, I'm a big James Hunt fan.

Okay.

That last drive he did in the rain was pretty impressive to me.

Baller.

I look up to that one a lot.

That's the one that Rush is based off of, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

That end race in Rush, and in real life too, it was just unbelievable. Put everything on the line.

Yeah. Have you seen Rush?

I think I've seen it. It's been a while.

It's a pretty good movie. Some diehards will be like me, but.

I love that movie. Yeah, he gambles everything on that last bit of that race, and it paid off.

I love the guys that are personalities, right? Like he was a personality when it came to like Formula One. Like he was just this guy.

Awesome.

It's kind of like Alonzo in the early 2000s. He had like the grid girls and all that. I love Alonzo.

Yeah, he's great, dude.

Yeah, man. Fricking nuts. Are you gonna have grid girls when you're famous? No, probably not.

Probably not.

I mean, part of that, you know, there's some showmanship. You know what I mean? That's part of that being you're drawing attention to yourself that's easier to get sponsors.

Yeah.

So you're gonna be. I mean, it's great if you're winning and also a great personality that probably helps a lot, but.

Yeah, I'm winning right now. And a sparkling personality.

Yeah.

No, it's just, it's super cool. I like, again, reading that book by Adrian Newey about, you know, his relationship with Senna and that whole like period, like just so dominant. There's just something like, about someone who's just so locked in and loves the sport. That's so huge.

Yeah. Yeah. He worked hard too, man. I don't think people realized how hard he worked. Like, I know a buddy that was good, was friends with him when he was racing. He said just watching him work was insane. Like spent hours getting like the throttle return springs, like perfect, just like a minute detail, but he'd spend hours on it and it shows, man. He did amazing things.

Yeah, it was, it was so crazy. It's like, yeah, in the last chapter of the book that I've been reading, he mentioned like, he was like side by side with Schumacher or whatever, and I think the team was called Bennington. I may have pronounced that wrong, but anyways, like Senna was like side by side, and he was like almost 1000% convinced that they were using traction control, like just by hearing the car. And this is something that I'll see like some of these like high horsepower guys do, like, you know, at the track strip or whatever, like you could hear the traction control kicking in, but it's like to be doing that while you're side by side, it'd be like, hmm, I think this m*********** is cheating, like.

Yeah, and it's not, it's just him with his throttle control.

No, I think they did get, they got hit with it. Yeah. Yeah, they got in trouble for some things that season for breaking some rules. Yeah, no, the thing is like those guys that are like looking to the regulations and stuff, like they don't, they don't care about the intention of the rule, they're just reading the rule word for word. And as long as they're within word for word, that's fine.

They're good.

It's kind of like lawyers, like they're just obeying the law, but they'll work outside of it.

Yeah, they got to try and find that gray area.

Exactly. Yeah, it's all gray area. So tell me about this like drift card thing that you're getting built. What can you share, I guess?

Yeah, it should be cool. It's a right hand drive, 180SX from Japan. SR20, new turbo on it. I don't even know what he put it on there, but he's gonna dyno it soon, should make around 400 wheel horsepower, which is plenty for drifting. And then, yeah, it's got a pretty sweet suspension already. And we'll go, we got Brainerd to go play around at, so it should be sweet.

Is that gonna be a weird adjustment, driving from the right hand side?

Dude, no, I drove it a ton before, and it doesn't take much getting used to. Going through a drive-through is weird, but it's not hard.

Well, I'm just thinking, especially in drifting, right? Cause you're gonna be doing a lot of, you got a break, and all that stuff, but I just didn't know if that would be.

Yeah, no, I was drifting it before, and it was, yeah, you pick it up, yeah.

Just practice.

Yeah, dude, it really is not hard to get used to. Like, the gears are in the same positions. Like, one is to the left. It's not opposite.

Oh, and it's a manual, too? Do they still, so I don't know much about right-hand drive cars. I've obviously seen the steering wheels on the other side. Do they, I've been wanting to know this question. Do they still, pedals are laid out the same, though? It's still right, this gas, okay, all right, but you have to shift with your left hand, that would be awkward.

Yeah, so like, what I was saying is, first gear isn't closest to you, it's away.

Oh, it's still over, okay, I get it, okay, okay.

If that makes sense.

Yeah.

So the same motion, just...

It'd be like grabbing third if you were on the other side, because you go out to the outside edge for first. Exactly. And out, okay.

Yeah.

I was super stoked for that. I mean, 400 horsepower, that's...

It's more than enough.

More than enough for what you're trying to do with it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, drifting, like every drifter we've had on the show has always said, like, you don't need a high horsepower car. Like you want to practice in a stock car first, get a feel for it, and then start doing stuff. And you were already drifting this car before then, before you did anything to it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you got a feel for it. Yeah, plenty of practice. How long have you had that car for now?

Dude, quite a few years. I'm not sure, but it sat for a while.

That's usually how it goes.

So now, JWP rebuilt the whole motor, new internals and everything, and then threw a new turbo on it, and it's putting it back in the car. It's probably done, and he's just waiting to dyno it, because I think they just got a new dyno.

Yep.

Yep. So...

Who's tuning it? Do you know? Is it going to be their guy? Probably.

I have no idea, dude.

It's probably... I hope it's Kyle. Kyle knows his s***, dude.

Yeah. Yeah.

We've had Kyle on the show for our tuning specials twice now. So... Yeah. Should be cool. I'm excited.

I'm excited, dude. It'll be a good time.

So it'll be done and ready for the season. You'll go practice that a little bit. So do you have any aspirations to get into drifting, like, a lot?

No. It isn't career competing ever. No, just for fun.

Because that's one of those things, like, you could be 60 and still doing it, right? Like, there's no age gap or...

Yeah, I do. I don't know much about the drifting world, but Aiden, the kid, his mom owns Brainerd. He's big into it, dude. And he just, I think he just got a Formula D car. I saw him testing it a few months ago. It was awesome.

Okay.

900 horsepower. It's insane.

Yeah, I had a blast. I got to ride along with Von Gittin Jr. Did you, dude?

Nice, man.

In the Mustang. And that's like, what, 800, 900 horsepower?

Yeah.

And I've been in a drift car before, well, drift car. So again, when I was in Vegas for, you know, driving that Huracan, however many years ago, I also did the ride along experience, and that was in a C7 Corvette, like a Stingray, might have been a Z06, I don't know. And that was cool, because I can throw them side to side, but there was no finesse to it. They were just trying to give you a good time.

Yeah.

Just beat the s*** out of you. But I did not expect for that car to do what it did. The Von Gittin's car. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's wild.

Yeah. And like side by side with this, you know, a thousand horsepower Bronco. Like, I was just like, this is just, jeez, dude, looking right at the tire. Like they're tandeming.

Just was he like sending it super close to the wall too?

And no, I think they're, they were getting kind of close, but I think they were trying to keep it within reason. Like just make put on a show.

Yeah.

I don't think they were getting like, I would have been the first one to be like, get closer, you know, throw me in the Bronco. I would have been the first one. But but the Bronco, it's like the thing is, is like, I don't know if you saw it, but like, when it transitions, it plows deep, like that weight transfer is crazy.

Huge.

Because it's got like 40 inch tires. Yeah, just crazy, dude. That was super, super cool. So okay, so I'm excited for the Drift Card, I'll be really cool. What about, so you're trained to be a fighter jet pilot? Is that it too?

Dude, I'm just trying to be a pilot. If I can make it into the military as a get a fighter slot, that'd be huge. It's competitive though, man. Each unit will get one or two slots a year for a new pilot. And there's always like 300 plus applicants. And it's super competitive.

So are you in the military now then too?

No, so this is an Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve is what it would be.

I just didn't know, I thought you'd normally be a fighter jet pilot, but probably in the Air Force or whatever, you join that first, and then they train you to be an air fighter jet pilot, right? Is that how I'd normally go?

Dude, I couldn't tell you to be honest. I know my buddy just went full active duty in the Marine Corps and he got a pilot slot. He applied for a pilot slot.

Okay.

Having not been in the military, and he got a pilot slot, doesn't know what he's going to fly, but he'll be flying something.

I suppose if you really want to get talent, that's how you got to do it. You can't just be like, oh, we have 150 people that applied, we're going to put everybody in a plane and see who doesn't crash. Then we'll go from there.

Dude, they have some really good tests to weed out who's not going to be a good pilot or not.

Really?

Okay. I took that test. It was very mentally exhausting.

Really?

What's the test?

Dude, I don't think I'm allowed to talk about it.

Okay.

Fair enough.

Okay.

But it was awesome.

Okay.

How would you do? Can you tell us that?

I maxed it out. I got the highest score. Okay.

That's all I need to know. And then so what, and you know, if you can't talk about this either, but like, what are you doing to like, is there like, are you flying Cessnas to prepare for this? I'm guessing not.

So prepare for the test or just to prepare to like along like what do you have to practice flying in certain things to you don't need to have like your private pilot license to get the job. It does make your application a lot more competitive if you have. There's like a sweet spot. They want to know that you're like love flying, you're into it, but they don't want too many hours I think where you may have learned some bad habits and they can't.

Yeah, you've been 3000 hours in a Cessna isn't exactly going to translate over to a fighter jet pilot. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

That'd be sweet. Otherwise, yeah, just more race car stuff, more racing and flying, dude. I love planes, too.

So would you ever get into like racing bikes, motorcycles?

I've done a few track days on motorcycles. I did the California Superbike School and it's awesome. Those guys have little bigger balls than me, though, man.

Really? That's your limit.

I don't know. But I don't know if I'd say that. But I would probably kill myself on a bike.

It's f****** insane. Those guys.

Those guys are nuts.

Yeah.

Ridiculous.

The fact that you're saying that speaks volumes. Yeah, because like the margin of error is a lot less.

Yeah, there's a lot more risk.

Yeah. Way more risk. Yeah, because I know like, again, Michael Peterson, like, I don't know if you raced bikes. I know he did a lot of bikes.

He said he did.

Did he?

Yeah. So I was getting my facts confused and stuff like that. But like, yeah, I mean, just crazy.

Yeah, dude. And they like, they did Moto America up at Brainerd last year. Yeah, those guys are wild. And they raced like the Harley baggers. Have you seen that?

No.

Take old Harley's, man, and they're ripping them.

That's rowdy.

Yeah, dude, they're flying on those things, dude.

I've been to the superbike thing at Brainerd.

Have you? Yeah, it's cool.

Yeah.

It's cool.

We know Jake Schmodder is one of the racers that, a friend of ours, that's his, her cousin or something. So we've been there a couple of times for that.

Yeah, dude, those guys are no joke.

Yeah. It's a lot of fun.

So and as we're getting towards like wrapping up here too, so like what was one of the favorite things that you did? Or I guess, what was one of your favorite aspects about racing?

Dude, it's just challenging, dude. I don't think people realize like how hard it is. And I love that aspect of it, dude, like it's so cutthroat, it's so competitive. It's so physically and mentally challenging, man, like it's, it's just hard. And it was an environment that I love being in that super competitive nature and adrenaline flowing and you're just on edge the whole time. It was cool.

So outside of, what was the track in the middle, what was it, was it Kansas? No, it was Ozarks, right?

Yeah.

So outside of that track, what else, what are, what were some other scary tracks that you've been on?

Scary tracks?

Or is it just that one?

That one was pretty scary. I mean, the Kinkit, Road America always, it was a little nerve wracking. I think there's just like certain corners at certain tracks, like turn 10 at VAR. So you go uphill on the S's, right? And there's that very fast left hander.

Just before you go downhill? You mean?

Yeah. Before the downhill.

Yeah, that one I've flown off a few times.

Yeah, dude. I ripped my splitter off there in real life.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I dropped two wheels off a little too fast.

Oh, like you went too far right onto that hill?

Yeah, I just carried a little more speed and like, I was like, oh s***, and then dropped two wheels off and it ripped my splitter off. I was like, that was in a race. I was.

That's a lot of cars.

I thought I was done for for a second, dude.

I was going to ask, have you had some like, this is where I, this is the end, right?

Dude, Ozarks did one lap. I was in a pretty good spot, dude. Turn one of lap two. Yeah, I sent it a little too far. I was like this close to not having a car for the rest of the season, but I saved it, brought it back. Dude, I've never had any like, wrecks until the last race, and that wasn't even my fault, dude. Somebody lost control and took me out, so that was frustrating, but it's been close but never.

That's frustrating footage to see.

Yeah, dude. That was, yeah. Dude, he gets spun out in iRacing, man. It's frustrating.

And then in real life, where it's, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line.

Yeah, and you worked all year.

Yeah.

Yeah, dude.

So does it work in that situation? Do they do they pay for your car in those kind of deals? If you're racing, it's all your responsibility, your own racing incident.

Yeah.

What happened there? Did he just break too late? Or what was it? Any idea?

Dude, I have no idea what was going through his mind, man. I can't believe like he hit me hard, dude, he hit me hard on my left rear wheel, dude. I was like, past the apex and he comes flying and like, it hurt, dude. And like, it spun me around to the back of the pack.

And then that in car footage of like you getting rattled, that looks like it hurt.

Dude, some of the back of the pack. And then I was like up there in the top 10 or whatever, back of the pack. And then like, I was like, f***. And then I like get my card and I'll get myself together and I start going. And I made my way back up from like, I don't know, I was like 23rd or 24th minute back up for like 16th. And then somebody lost control of their car again and took me out. But like I was driving, dude, after that first one, I was driving with like down the straight with like 15 degrees of steering in my wheel because you just that's hard mess it up, dude. It was tough.

Well, especially like when you probably got up to speed, like controlling it, probably got tough.

Dude, it was just like, I forget which way it was. You're like right hand corners or left hand corners. One of them worked a lot better than the other.

You have wheel damage.

You have wheel damage.

But then it's like the last race, too. So you're like, f*** it. You put everything on the line. That was the second to last second to last race. But last weekend, dude, you just throw it all on the line, man. Yeah.

So then you didn't do the last race of the year, though, right?

I did, dude.

Oh, you did?

Yeah. So in that second wreck, dude, they managed to break all four corners of the car. The second guy that hit me.

And so this is the same race, correct?

Yeah. Race one Saturday, dude. Got taken out, back of the pack, made my way back up. And this guy, I mean, he was letting me go by, and then I was on the inside, and they're fast corners. And then he just went a little too wide. And then, you know, when you go wide, there's what they call the marbles out there. You're off the line. So all the rubber goes out there. It gets pretty slippery. Started to spin and then just spun right into me. Yeah.

And that took you out for that weekend.

My car was done, dude.

That was on. So then you didn't go to, like, control arms smashed.

No, dude, the mechanic stayed up all night, like rebuilding the car. Amazing dudes. But it wasn't perfect. And the next day I raced and I think I took, like, fifth or something. Fifth or sixth.

Uh-huh. And that was the last race?

That was the last race of the season.

Gotcha. So is the car fully fixed up now and just sitting or?

It's just sitting right now, dude.

But it's good to go pretty much?

Uh, it hasn't been touched since that race. Yeah.

So it still needs work.

Yeah.

Probably needs, like, whatever.

Yeah, it's probably going up for sale.

Oh, really? Okay.

So you think, like, $7,000, $8,000, I can get that from you, or...?

Something like that.

So realistically, so it probably needs, like, mid-five-figure repairs, maybe?

I'm not sure, dude.

No idea.

Yeah.

So then you would get rid of that and potentially get into something new, then?

That's the goal.

Okay.

We'll see what happens.

But in GT4, you're not going to stick with...?

It's fun, man. I'll race. Whatever opportunity becomes available, I'll take.

Okay. And in this instance, it would be sponsors that would basically pay for your season and the repairs.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'll race, dude. I just love racing, man. Whatever I can race, I'll do it.

Okay.

Do the guys that hit you, do they come up to you afterwards or anything like when you guys are done? Do they come up? They don't even come up and be like, I am sorry. I'm an idiot.

I thought they were going to, but I don't know.

Racing incident.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, dude. Maybe one thing interesting about that race is like, here's something that, like, strategy wise. So the way that car was set up at Kota, Kota is a fast track with long sweeping corners where you're like on the gas throughout the corner. And so we're having a lot of degradation in the rear tires, especially rear left tire and not a ton on the front. And so part of the strategy was, dude, because it was super hot that day, like, ridiculously hot. So tires are degrading pretty fast. They're so soft. So one of the strategies was super interesting, is early on in the race, you try to degrade the front tires like as much like purposely and do some understeer. Because when you have trouble is when there's an imbalance between you have not so grippy rear tires, but you have a ton of grip in the front. And that's where it creates problems. So to like to keep that grip even is like you're purposely trying to degrade the grip on the front tires. So it keeps up with the degradation the back so you have a balanced car, stuff like that is wild.

And this is all stuff they could see in telemetry.

Or is the stuff just from like, thank God, the coach was telling me that it was just like, from his experience, okay, that's like that blows my mind is like, yeah, you wouldn't think of stuff like that. Yeah, it's just part of the strategy.

Well, that was another thing, like, again, back to the Adrian Newey book, because I love telling people how much I read. I'm a smart person. Yeah, no, it's like, because like, he got a really strong start in Indy card, he would set up the corners differently, because again, only turning left. And it's like, everybody talks about how difficult or how easy it is to design a car to go left. But really, there's a lot that goes into it, because one degree this way or in the wall, this degree over here, you're in the field, like, just crazy. But yeah, he would have like different corners set up differently. Just so crazy. I'm telling you, order it on Amazon today.

You should. Oh, well, dude.

Yeah, it's like a $40 book, but it's like, Jesus.

Worth it.

Worth it. So worth it. But that said, I know you had to get going here because you got some plans for tonight. But Dan, do you want to pop the usual three?

Sure. This will be an interesting one. So at the end of every episode, we ask our guests to pick three cars, a daily driver, a track car and a show car. You can you have an unlimited budget, unlimited imagination, whatever you can come up with. What do you pick?

It's a good question, man. I got to think about it a second.

That's fine.

Daily, for sure. My Raptor, dude. I love that thing.

You want to do like a Raptor R?

I guess a Raptor R.

We've got to upgrade where we can.

It's a fun track. No budget Raptor R, sure. So a track car. What was the other one? Just like a show car.

Show car and yeah, show car and track car.

Show car. I'd probably go with like a 963 Turbo.

OK.

I love that. Or no, is it the 963 now it's the 96, the one after the 964. I'm blanking right now.

Do I know what year? What years are you thinking roughly like late 90s, early is the egg omelette?

The 993, the 93. Yeah, that one. Yeah, I love that car, dude, with the wide body. Oh my God. Black. Yeah. Um, track car, that's a tough one, man. It would be a race car for sure, not a street car. Yeah. Can't compare, dude. You got to come up to both of you guys come up to Brainerd this summer and get a ride in like the radical or something. It'll blow your mind. Yeah. If you've never been like a proper race car on slicks, yeah, it'll blow your mind. Probably a radical, dude.

A radical.

Yeah.

OK.

They're just so much fun for them.

You want to do like an Indy car because you're huge on that.

Yeah. I don't know, dude. I have to spend more time thinking about it.

You want to drive all race cars, right? Yeah.

All the race cars. You could like track a radical all day, though. Cars just so extreme.

Yeah. So radical. OK. Do they have different types of radicals, too, right? Yeah.

SR3, SR8, SR10s. Probably go with an SR8.

SR8, radical. I like it. Well, sweet, dude. On that note, where can people find you? Like, do you have an Instagram handle for people?

My Instagram is just jades. It's kind of my nickname, J-A-D-E-S.

Gotcha. Did you have a second one, too, or no?

Alex Sajady Racing.

Gotcha. Any preference on the two? Not really.

Not really, dude. I hardly post anything anymore.

That's fair.

I fell off social media, but every once in a while.

Sweet. And then as for you, Dan?

You can find us at Gunna Garage with two N's.

You can't always specify the two N's. And then as for me, you guys found the podcast here. You should know where you're at by now. Make sure you check out our sponsors, Raise a Hood. Of course, thank you, Ratified, for always using this location. I'm really happy with this new setup. If you guys watch on video, it's pretty sweet. Oh, man, it's great. Thank you for breaking in the couch, Alex.

Awesome, dude. My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, dude. Super, super awesome. And then, of course, make sure you sign up for the rally. Use code Minnoxide. Save $100. But first, we got to get people on this rally. People are slacking. It breaks my heart.

It's going to be a really good time.

No, I'm really excited. People have been buying up tickets from Chicago and Arizona and all that fun stuff. So we're going to have some people coming from out of state, so it should be pretty cool. Other than that, thank you, Alex, for coming on. This is a blast.

Yeah, thank you, guys.

Dan, thanks for existing, and we'll see you all next time.