71. Racing a 1600HP Mustang, Breaking A Wheel at 180mph, BMW work w/ Joe DeVito

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Minnoxide Podcast. I'm your host, Harris, aka Minnoxide, man of many automotive... See, it's been a week and a half, it's been a week and a half, we're already making mistakes. I'm the man of many automotive aspirations and mistakes apparently, but I'm here with my co-host, Dan, aka Gunnar Garage.

Yep, hello, how's it going?

You know what, it's a rough intro. We're just going to rock with that. But anyways, today we're going to be on the meet with Joe DeVito. I got to ask, is that an Italian last name or something? It is?

Yeah, Danny DeVito.

Is that your uncle or?

Cousin. Yeah?

How Italian are you then?

I don't know.

You don't know?

I'd say at least 50. My dad was like 80%.

Well, we're going to go run on down to the clinic. This podcast is sponsored by 23andMe. Is it 23andMe? No, it's the other one.

It's one of them.

I don't know. Either way, Joe, you do a lot of car stuff. You get some fast cars or car.

Cars?

Is it plural? We have a fleet of cars. Yeah, we only talked about one or whatever, which is the Mustang, which should be a hint to everybody. This is a little bit of a Ford episode, but you also do a lot of euro work through your shop.

Yeah, Ford, BMW and then GM as well.

Sorry to hear that. I guess they need to be worked on.

New GM stuff sucks. Yeah. I hate it.

Really?

It's terrible to work on. Why Camaros don't have access doors in the back for fuel pumps? Yeah, drop tank, yeah, drop rear end, everything.

Really?

It's miserable. A Mustang, I can put a fuel system in in like four hours.

You're telling me that the better platform is easier to work on too? Yeah, absolutely. I'm a little bitter with the machetes. Is that the only GM car that you're having trouble with?

That's like my biggest complaint because everyone wants a fuel system. So it's like, cool, we'll do a DSX kit where you drill the tank. But doing like a four systems is the way to go. But it's super labor intensive.

That's ridiculous. And then I noticed you kind of said you specialize like in the BMW sort of space, right? Is that correct? Let's backtrack. Your shop name is DRC Automotive, right?

DRC Fargo.

DRC Fargo. That's what it was. Okay.

DeVito Racing Compound is what it started as.

And I'm guessing you can't Google that. Right? It's probably just DRC.

You can Google either one. Okay. We're the only one.

So, what threw me off is that you're also like, you work on Minis, but Minis are technically BMW anyway, right?

For the most, like, it was like 2010 maybe from there on, they joined.

Yeah.

So, it wasn't, when they were early, they were separate.

Yeah.

So, I got hired at Motorworks in 2014, and Mini was just leaving to go out on its own. So, it was just a short period before that, that they...

Oh, yeah. There's a Mini dealership, what? Off 394, right? Yeah.

Motorworks Mini.

Motorworks Mini. I remember just going by there, and I'm just like, that's a lot of stupid cars.

I don't think they need their dedicated own place, but yeah, sure.

Well, I mean, there's a dem... I mean, given the state we were in, we're the demographic for Minis. Now, Texas, that ain't gonna fly.

Right. Right.

Mini. The f*** is that?

Exactly. Yeah, no, it ain't gonna fly.

It's not a truck. Yeah. So then, give us a little bit of background on to your shop then. So what was kind of like, how did it come into existence? What did you initially work on?

So like I said, I was a BMW tech for eight years at Motorworks. I did a year in North Carolina and then came to Motorworks, started doing side work. It turned into like performance side work for the most part, but then like I'd slap a valve cover on a BMW or something, you know, the same night. So a little bit of everything. And then I started working more after hours than I was at my day job. So it's like, I think I can make this work. And then I got a shop in Cottage Grove, operated for a month and then got shut down by the city. Yeah.

How does that have?

Zoning.

Zoning?

I was sold this unit, like the motorplex garages, same thing in Cottage Grove. So I had a unit there. It was like 2,000 square feet. And I was going to have my open house and then the city called me and they're like, hey, what's, what is this? And I was like, oh, it's my business. And they're like, yeah, it's not business zoned. But all the plans that I had from the guy I bought from, it was all zoned business. Oh, really? So there was some shady stuff that went on behind the scenes with another shop who was also on the board of Cottage Grove.

So I was going to ask, who's the snitch?

I won't say. Off camera.

Well, either way, by the way, you get three cuts is what I tell people. After three is when I start getting annoyed. It's like, oh, god damn it, that's a lot of work. To be fair, I'd be a little less annoyed with cuts if I had more sponsors, because then that would just be ad space.

Exactly.

But so anyways, you made a jump.

So city shut me down, I went back to the guy that I bought from and was like, hey, he lied to me essentially. So he wrote me a check. I left everything in the unit lifts, everything. And he wrote me a check for everything and I left. So then I started looking at shops. After that, I started Eurocharged with AJ, Charlie and Eric. I was with them for three months, maybe, and then it wasn't working out. So I left and then I was trying to find a spot and everything was, you know, minimum five grand a month. And it just wasn't feasible to me at the time. So then I met my fiance who lives in North Dakota and we were looking at shops up there. It's like you can get four times the shop for a quarter of the price. So that kind of just made sense.

So that's like 16 times.

Yeah.

That's the Deadpool quote, like breaking the fourth wall of a fourth wall. Yeah, I still haven't seen the new trailer apparently, there's a new one. But so when did, what year did you move out there then?

So that was 2019. So I started full time at my business the Friday before COVID.

But then who knew COVID did to the automotive industry was insane, right?

And it did, like we weren't slow once. But at the same time, we didn't get anything from the government because I wasn't in business long enough.

It's like even though I didn't have a previous thing to show.

Exactly. Even though I'm going through the same stuff as everyone else, you know, it's the worst time to start a business. It was. But for the car scene, you know, everyone was getting free money. Everyone was wasting it. It was good.

True. I mean, OK, here's a question. How many Stimmi check builds did you do?

Quite a few.

Dude, my biggest regret was not buying a scat pack.

Yeah, right.

That time. Because, OK, so my dad brought home a scat from the dealership, like a brand new scat or whatever. And it was funny, like this one, like the court, like the wide body was just like a little off, like noticeably off. The gas cap wouldn't close fully. It was so funny, but it was red. It was tour red. I always wanted a tour red Hellcat or scat pack or whatever. And I think it was listed. I want to see 55 at a time, which is like 20 grand cheaper than today, right, which is crazy.

Right.

But I'm just sitting here thinking, like, I made money trading my Gladiator back in. I'm like, if I would have just. Got the scat, I would have broke even had a fun car for a year.

Exactly.

I mean, it probably would have got stolen, which would have been again.

Right.

Win, win. But.

Right. Yeah, I had a 2019 F350 and I paid 67 for it. Brand new. I sold it during COVID with 80,000 miles for 65.

Oh, yeah.

So you couldn't get a truck and I had I had ordered a 22. It took like 10 months to get. And then so I had that one and I was kind of just sitting on the other one watching the market and it went crazy. So I sold it.

Yeah, I was getting offers on my 2016. I bought it just before and then I paid 40 for it. And then they were they went in where there were 50, 60 grand.

Yeah.

And people like I would go to the dealer and they're like, hey, man, you want to sell your truck? And I said, I'm like, I needed my truck. I can't do it. So plus, then I got to go out and replace it for at that same price.

Exactly. So thankfully, I buy at X plan through Ford. So it's super discounted. Kind of handy.

Yeah.

So then COVID hit. How big was your shop at the time? That was just you still?

Yeah, it's always been just me. So me and my fiance. And then we were 1500 square feet for 10 months. And then we got the unit next to us, which brought it. No, I'm sorry. It was 3000 square feet. Then we went to six. And now we're like 9200.

That's pretty sizable.

And it's just me.

Well, that's kind of a similar setup to like Jared, right? Like a one man party that's expanding.

Yeah, I think he's kind of limited on space right now until he gets.

Yeah. Have you been by his shop?

I haven't.

It's funny because it's a huge open building, but it's like an imaginary line. Yeah. Like if your kids are fighting in their bedroom and they put tape down the middle of the line. Right. Yeah. It's that same thing. He's like, you can't go in this space.

Right.

I guess the guy is super cool. I mean, he spills into it every now and again. But yeah, he wants more of that area.

Yeah. Yeah. Room is huge.

Well, and the nice thing is being in North Dakota, it's significantly cheaper, I hope.

A ton.

Because if you try to get a shop, like where we're at right now, you know, ratified is like right in the metro.

Exactly. My shop located like where ratified is would be 10 grand a month easily.

Oh, wow. Geez. Yeah, that's fair.

And I pay like 3,800 bucks.

Gotcha. So then when did you start on working over there? Like what were the first offerings?

So every bit of work that I had initially was pulling from the cities. So I would go cities back and forth every weekend with my two car trailer. I'd finish cars during the week, bring them back, pick up two more. It was a grind.

And it was just a little bit of everything?

Yeah. Mainly at that time, it was mainly Mustangs and like CTSVs, Corvettes, stuff like that. Not a ton of BMWs yet. The BMW, because like you can get maintenance and repair anywhere down here. You know, up there, there's no one. And so now that people know that we're there, it's grown huge.

We're a lot more willing to buy cars that, you know, can get worked on. That's why we don't have McLarens up here.

Exactly.

Right? Like where are you going to send a McLaren? Like, yeah.

I mean, I think Chicago is the closest.

To get like a warranty work. I think there's certain parties that could be authorized to work on McLarens. We might be getting an authorized party here.

Some places you can like fly their texts in. Come work. I think AJ has done that a few times.

Oh yeah. I remember him posting about that a few months ago. Which is just crazy. But damn it, I had a thousand. I lost it. But no, with the McLarens, like it's just, it's a bit of a problem because like nobody wants to buy them.

Exactly.

You know, because like once we got the Ferrari dealership here, like I think the wait list, but not wait list. I think there was 250 or something Ferraris ordered for the next year that were on order because I was talking to somebody that worked there at the time. He's no longer there. He moved on to pursue his other passions and dreams. But I'm just thinking like, dude, if there's like 200 or even close to like 300 orders coming for, I think it was for 2023, it's like, right. It's a lot.

Absolutely.

Same thing applies. But yeah, I think we might be getting somebody here locally that will be able to service McLaren's because like the scan tool, that's what I was going to say might be like, I think it's like a hundred thousand or something. Just ridiculous.

Every scan tool now is so expensive and they're all, I had a 2024 Range Rover and lady called and she's like, Hey, I have a transmission malfunction. So my thought was, okay, I'll just clear everything out of it or, you know, see what I can see and try to fix it for you. And my scan tool wouldn't even pull them in. So I called Jaguar or yeah, Jaguar Range and they said after 2023, they're all locked.

So in 1996, the government said everybody has to go to odb2.

Exactly.

Right.

So that you didn't have to do all that codes in the ECU, but I could get to the TCU.

Oh, really?

I could get to anything else.

So now we're right back in that boat where everybody has their own specialized s***.

Exactly. So as long as you can read engine codes, you're fine.

So it was standardized and now it's not anymore.

Yeah. So before that, they had odb1. So everyone had like their own little scan tool was super like archaic, like Ford's one was like two different plugs. And then it would, it would like some of them would even just like flashlights or like beep certain mounted engine light would flash. You had to decipher codes and like a decoder ring codebook. It was like a whole thing. And then it's like Morse code. Yeah, exactly. So then the, the government got involved because you know, they make everything better and they're like, hey, sometimes it works out. But anyway, they said everybody has to go to a standardized whatever. So you can't be, you know, I only work on this. I only work on that. They had to be able to be like a standard thing. So that's when odb2 was born and anything 1996 and newer has to be odb2. So you can, you can roll into O'Reilly's with anything and they can pull a scan or a code for you.

Which sounds like it is super helpful.

Yes.

And now we're just going back in time.

Yes.

My scan tool was updated like a week before that. Still, it wouldn't do anything.

Yeah. Well, we can always count on Range Rover and Jaguar to progress the automotive industry.

I couldn't, I couldn't find the battery in it. And repair instructions are also locked down on them. So like my all data, I couldn't pull up anything while where's the battery on this thing. And I called and it's like under the rear bumper cover, you have to like use a like a jack to lower it down. And then you can service it.

Really?

It's ridiculous. Yeah, stupid.

I'm guessing it's probably just something to like keep the dealerships, like having their like service departments, maybe for the most part. I don't know. I again, I don't trust that brand.

You're buying a Jaguar and taking it to some random repair shop, right? Probably not a great idea for you anyway.

I keep thinking, you're so orange now.

Yeah, I did. I got some sun.

You got some sun on that cruise, dude.

I did. Snorkeling in Cabo was pretty freaking sweet.

How long was that for?

Seven days.

Nice.

Yeah.

Is that your first cruise, or have you done them before?

No, this is our third one. Yeah. It's cool, because your resort moves from country to country or place to place, right? So you're bouncing around in these places, and then in the meantime, they're feeding you and filling you full of alcohol, and it's a pretty good time. This one was a little more, the shows were a little more like musicals, which I'm not really into. My wife is not, she doesn't care either way, so we avoided that.

You're usually a lot more translucent.

We're from Wisconsin, so we belly up to the bar and sit there, right? And just b******* with people. That's what we do in Wisconsin, so that's what we did on a cruise ship.

Meet a bunch of people.

Yeah, exactly.

So then, at what point do you start, when do you start becoming the BMW guy?

So 2020, we were like 80% performance work, 20% BMW work. 2021 was about 50-50, and now we're 80% BMWs. So I really only try to push BMWs.

And that just happened by chance or you just like doing it?

Honestly, the clientele.

Clientele? Is it pre-BMW?

Performance stuff sucks.

Yeah.

You can't please everyone, especially during COVID when you couldn't get parts. I was the bad guy to everyone.

Yeah.

It's like, what am I supposed to do? Make this stuff?

Well, then you make it faster. They beat the s*** out of it. They break it, and then they come in and this is your fault, obviously.

Yes. So I had a customer we built a car for. Long story short, they would tell me, this is happening. So then I'd come down and get it again here to the city, or Fargo to the cities, pick it up, fix it. Because I did the full build on it. Come to find out they're putting five people in this car every night, and going out racing it. So you're adding a thousand pounds of people to it. No wonder the transmission is grenading, no wonder the rear end is blowing up. People don't listen.

And just ripping on it every single night.

Beating the crap out of it.

So adding that much weight, it's just gonna, it really multiplies.

So a prime example was like on Steven's dyno, it made 22 pounds of boost, I believe, with five people in it. When I pulled the log, it made 26 pounds. You know, because there's more load.

Yeah. So and that's that's on a dyno. That's a different right in it moving on a street with that many people as a whole another animal.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's yeah, that and customer supplied parts.

Oh, well, there's your problem. Yeah, dude, I've heard a lot of shops just avoid if somebody brings you a box, you're just like, Nope, take that back. Absolutely.

So we I was in a lawsuit for the last 18 months. Okay, we're customer supplied parts. We worked on a jeep, all customer supplied lockers, air lockers, front and rear, installed them. Everything worked perfect. Like four months goes by, they're like, Hey, my pinion seals leaking. I was like, Okay, bring it in. I'll check it out. Just make sure it's nothing we did. And yeah, just the seal seemed to be leaking. So I put a seal in it, shot him a bill for like 350 bucks. And it turned into what you installed it wrong. Ah, it's a seal. He pounded in. Yeah. And so this went back and forth. So I was like, okay, I'll eat the bill. You know, come get your car. Like five months later, same thing. So long story short, they ended up suing me for $10,000 because the shop told them this was on the front diff. They said that they have to be replaced in pairs, front and rear. What sense does that make?

Yeah.

So they racked up this bill to try to, you know, strong army. And then, yeah, I had to go to a deposition for eight hours. It was ridiculous. Over a, you know, $18 seal. And yeah, they racked up when they thought they were pawning it off on me. Their lawyer told me that they had 55 grand in lawyer fees racked up. Oh my gosh. So that was hanging over my head for 18 months. Yeah. Yeah, it was insane. So we ended up winning, and now they owe him like 36 grand. Yeah. So it's like, you guys should just left me alone. Yeah.

That is crazy.

I tried to help you.

That's rowdy, dude.

Yeah, it's insane. But I lost 28 pounds the month of October because that was my court date. Yeah, like lowest month the shop ever did, it was terrible.

Was that a good 28 pounds or no?

It was needed. It was needed. But I couldn't eat. I was so scared.

Well, I mean, naturally, if you have a potential, what, 70 grand or whatever.

So the worst part was, it was 10 grand to start, and then in court, we had it down to like 2,100 because it's like, I'm not going to buy you a new front end. I'll buy you one from Carport with your same mileage.

Yep.

You know, and then swap the stuff. So we had it down to like 2,100. So had they approached me initially for 2,100, I probably would just paid them to go away. Now they're stuck with all this debt.

I mean, that is something I've noticed, too, is like some shops, like they just like to, sometimes it's less of a hassle to just pay it off and disappear.

Right.

But like when you start getting into five figure range, it's like, all right, hold up. Let's talk.

Exactly, exactly. And they were so stingent on you're going to pay this. You know, you did this. This is your fault. It's like the lockers work. You know, like everything we did works. Yeah, it's just a seal's leaking.

Yeah, that's so strange.

Yeah, it was insane.

I've heard crazy stories like I've heard people and like, actually, a mutual friend we know has fixed certain cars where things have been installed backwards, which I'm not going to bring up who or what.

Right.

It's like, yikes. That's why your s***'s grenading.

Yeah. Yeah. Some of the work that I see coming out of Fargo Fargo shops performance wise is insane. Gatorade overflow bottles. Yeah. From like, I had this one guy, he said he spent like 40 grand with the shop. Gatorade overflow bottles. All Chinese intake, like a fake Chinese fast intake. Like the worst wells you've ever seen. Just terrible. It's like, where did the money go?

Alibaba.

Yeah. But it seems to be getting way more and more common.

I think, is Fargo still growing a little bit, too? I mean, that town's been kind of up and coming for a little bit.

Yeah. I should have bought like when I first moved there, pre-COVID obviously. But yeah, everything's super inflated now.

Yeah. As being a state that's just outside Minnesota's wonderful rules and regulations, you know, they tend to do pretty good hanging out around that edge.

And like Moorhead, you can get property for nothing.

You know, because they want people there.

Well, Moorhead's a s*** town. It sucks bad.

Moorhead's where those Jeep people are from, so it makes sense.

Yeah.

Okay. That's rowdy. So then, okay, tell us a little bit about your fast car though.

So it's a 2014 Mustang. I bought it brand new. It was the first car I ever ordered, and it was stock for like, so I was working in North Carolina. So I went to BMW school, and you pretty much get bought from a dealership with your knowledge then. So like the F30 BMWs and stuff, that was all new when I was in school. So like, I brought that knowledge to the dealership, so that's all I worked on. But a dealership buys you out of the program, and there was none here that do that, so I ended up going to North Carolina. Did my year and then moved up here. But when I lived down there, I had that, and then I had a Evo 9, and moved back here, turboed it immediately, stock motor, single. And it was untouchable. That car was fast for what it was.

What was it making, like five, six?

Probably 850. It was on kill.

We're rounding up.

Did you do oil pump gears too right away too, or you just snapped it?

Yeah, so my car was the first one I ever did them on. Yeah, I was nerve wracking the first time, trying not to drop the oil pump bolts, and it was terrible. But yeah, so then after that, I put a power glide in it, and then it went to built motor, which I got scammed on. It was supposed to be built by one shop, and it wasn't. It came with build sheets and everything. And yeah, I dropped a sleeve at Power Cruise.

And what year would that be?

That was like 2017, 16, 17, way back. And that, yeah, because I, under the, you guys go to Power Cruise?

We know of it. I want to go. I have not been yet. Yeah.

I've surprisingly never been either. Really? I've been to Proving Grounds once.

Okay.

And then I just never made it up to Power Cruise. This year, I'm really itchy.

Go to the first Power Cruise.

Okay. Really?

Because no one's got their cars done yet, so it's dead. So we have an X3M as well. We put 550 miles on at Power Cruise.

Oh, wow. That's rad.

Six tanks of fuel. We were only getting off the track to do bathroom breaks, grab drinks and get fuel.

Oh, wow.

It was awesome. So yeah, then spent a bunch of money, built motor, built Power Glide, because the Power Glide like melted at Power Cruise, not made for that. Yeah. Built motor, Power Glide, built rear end, and then it was 1,100 horse, and then it lifted ahead back to the machine shop. We overringed everything, then it made 1,500, and this is all like each year progressing.

Right. So now we're up to like 2019-ish?

Yeah, roughly.

So I'm not the only one that breaks s*** over and over again every year.

Right.

Okay, cool.

It's terrible. I don't recommend it. So then sent it back down, had it all gone through again, we overringed everything, and then it made 1689 through a Glide with a GT55 single turbo. And like the power band, it was like 6000 RPMs is what it needed to be happy. It was terrible. So if I floor it at a red light, it would take 68 miles an hour to get moving. So you're flooring it. So my fiance's got a Trans Am, she would be four cars ahead of me, and I'm flooring it. And it's like, come on, come on, come on. So the big turbo stuff sucks, I think, unless you, if you do a bunch of transmission tricks and stuff to get it to spool up quicker or put nitrous on it, that was my other go-to. But I ended up just putting twins on it recently.

Right, okay. How recently was that?

I just picked it up like three weeks ago.

Three weeks ago? About a while ago. Oh wow, okay.

Yeah, so like I've ran it and that's it. I have the whole turbo kit in the truck from having everything pot recorded this weekend.

So then was it mostly for a roll racing then before? Like the power cruise instances or?

It was just street. Whether it was digs or rolls.

Really, okay.

The car was like unbeatable for probably four years.

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On the street early on, it would go like 620s on zero prep.

Oh wow, okay.

At like 120 roughly. Now it's much quicker. But it works very well.

So how big are the twins now?

68, 71s. Yeah, and they're comp oil-less, water-cooled.

Okay. And so you said that's the build with 1689, or you still have-

The single turbo with 1689. This one should be a little bit more.

That's what I was gonna say, yeah.

At 1689, we maxed out three 525 Hellcat pumps. So now I have four. So I should be able to go 1,800 or so. Yeah, it sucks like setting safeties for fuel pressure. Like, you know, you want to put it on kill, but you can only go so far.

Yeah, who's your motor built by now?

The current one's fast forward. Yeah, I was using MPR, had some issues.

Yeah, so the one that I just popped is an MPR one.

Okay.

But I know mine's legit because I got it from Dan Shonek.

Okay.

So he's not really in the business of screwing people.

Right.

But-

Probably a motor I sold him to have built because I sold him a motor like seven years ago.

Oh really?

To the Gen 2?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was an F-150.

Was it really?

The block at least.

No, mine's a GT350 block.

Okay. Got it.

So yeah, it's a 5.2.

Got it. Nice.

But yeah, I need to have it sleeved and stuff because I torched a cylinder.

There's a local guy sleeving him now.

Oh really?

Yeah, Nate Overby.

Okay.

Over, I forget his YouTube, but yeah, he's on Facebook YouTube, everything.

Okay.

Why does that name sound familiar? What does he have?

He's got a red SN95 Mustang, which was Terry's old car from way back. It was LS with a big, no, might have been LS turbo deal. And now he's putting a Coyote in it.

Okay.

But he runs a machine shop, so he sleeved the whole block by himself. So kind of letting him be the test mule. And if it works, I'll send him two or three blocks for backups, but.

Well, we'll definitely need to talk, I think, after this too.

Absolutely. Yeah, the nice thing was he called Fast Forward and they sold him, or they didn't, they got him in touch with LA. Sleeves. They gave them all the dimensions to put in the CNC. So it's like all the hard work was kind of done. You just need the machine to do it.

Right.

And he's got all that, and he's smart.

Oh, sweet, because that was one of my holdbacks, is I got to send it somewhere mostly to get it done.

And his will be, I sold him my same turbo, 6871, so I'm a comp dealer. So his will be same 1800 to 2000. It'll be a good test.

Hopefully it works. So how much of that build are you doing yourself, then?

Everything but fab and wiring. I do some of the wiring. I'll add stuff in, but Stephen Keen wired the whole car, and he tunes it. By far, he's like a Brian May, but a little more. You can talk to him a little easier.

So I was going to ask you that about tuning, then. So who's tuning your Coyote stuff?

It totally depends. If it's like a bolt-on, minimal stuff, I'll use Casey remotely, otherwise we're direct with Lund. I've used Rob Shoemaker a few times, otherwise Stephen. So Stephen will only do modular stuff if it's on Holley.

I used Psy Lee first time, that turned out not well. And then it was Casey this last time, but I'm pretty sure this is one of those things. So I built a car, then I said I'll build you this work, and then s*** happens, and even if it was somebody else's fault, I've had somebody tune in, I had somebody help me do the work, I've done some of the work, I've done myself, I beat the s*** out of it, I drove it through Iowa and probably got some bad gas, is what happened to me.

Okay.

But I'm not going to sit here and go, oh, it was your fault.

Exactly.

I don't have dead proof of any of that s*** anyway.

So like same thing, I don't know if you guys saw, I broke a bellic wheel. Have you guys seen any of that?

Was that your car?

Yeah, that was 2019.

That was your car, the one at the end of the drag strip?

Yeah.

Or whatever?

That was the gray car in the picture.

You were going like what, like 180 or something?

The data log showed 181, but I went through the traps at 169.

And yeah, okay, you tell the story, because I did not know that was your car.

So we went to, where was it?

Was it up north here?

No, it was Illinois, draw in a blank, not Byron.

One of drags.

Cordova. Cordova. We drove out there. Me and Deanne had like just started dating. And I'm like, and we had gone out the night before and drank way too much. So like, I was puking that morning. She's sick, you know, we're, and then I'm in staging to go and like just pulling up. And I'm like, oh crap, there's fuel tanks in the trunk. So I unloaded all that thankfully, because those would have been along for the ride then. So we threw them by the fence. I go up. So while we were doing that, a truck granated the rear end, broke, or it broke the driveshaft, which broke the pinion. And then it ripped the transfer case off it. Like screwed everything up. The track was down for like an hour after that. So then I'm next up, fresh prep, went a 498 at 142 in the eighth, and then a 777 at 169, but the wheel broke at a thousand feet. So like driving along and I felt the car drop and then my wheel just went zipping past me. And I was like, Oh my God, I'm that guy that didn't tighten his wheel, you know, like I'm an idiot. My car is ruined. And so it spun around. So as soon as I was trying to keep it straight and it wasn't working, and so I finally hit the shoot. And as soon as I reached for that, I don't know if I jerked at the same time or what, but the car started spinning. So it spun four times, wrapped the shoot up all around it. Yeah, it was terrifying. I haven't raced a quarter mile since.

That is sketchy. But then so okay, so you looked at the wheel then it broke though, right? It wasn't something you did.

It sheared. And it was on the big end of the track. So rewind like four months. I hadn't moved to Fargo yet during all of this. I was like in the process. But I had raced a dude on the street in an Evo and he went in the ditch like when we raced and the owner of Bellic Wheels told everyone that I put my car in the ditch the night before it broke. Oh, so he tried blaming me for the break. But this was afterwards. So as soon as it broke, I posted on Facebook like, oh, I ran my first seven, but we had an issue. I didn't bash them. I didn't do anything like that. And I messaged him on Facebook and was like, hey, this happened. Call me. I should have recorded the call because he's like, yeah, that wheel, it's a known issue. They're breaking. It's like, well, I just bought these things six months ago. And this was right when Calvo broke theirs too. And Damien promised him that he was going to buy back a bunch of wheels and apparently it never happened or something. Long story short, he blamed me powder coating the wheels. He blamed incorrect torque, street driving, incorrect silicone, like everything.

Allegedly, because this isn't recorded.

That is all on Facebook Messenger. Him admitting that there was issues was on the phone. I wish I would have had that. Knowing what I know now, I should have sued him. But I was starting my business, like I was moving to Fargo. It wasn't a good time to do that.

You just wanted to move on.

Exactly. And he told me, I'm going to take care of you. Everything's going to be taken care of. Because when it broke the wheel, I was on the rev limiter for like four and a half seconds, not realizing it. And yeah, lifted ahead, ruined the motor. It was like 34 grand in damage.

Holy s***.

Yeah. And all he did was bolt new centers into my wheels and send them back to me.

Really? Like you're going to put those back on.

So then I sell them. Yeah. The day I get them back, I list them for sale. And he messages me, for sale already, LOL. Like really? Yeah. I almost just died, you know? It's insane.

So I didn't see, so that happened to Calvo as well?

Yeah. He broke, I think he's broken two of them. Really? Sheepy broke one. There's a dude just recently with their new style, like the Series 10 or whatever that's new, dude with a C7 just broke one and he posted about it. And then the post was gone immediately and his car was shared on the Bellic page the next day. So there was some sneaky stuff. Damien tries to cover everything up. They're breaking all the time, I guarantee it. But he just tries to cover it up.

Such is the world of speed though.

It's insane. Like dude, like, yeah. It's all relevant. Like it's, anything can happen. You're signing up for it, you know, when you go. But that shouldn't happen.

Well, yeah, especially when you're talking about like, you know, super high power and, you know, going fast. Like obviously you want to trust your equipment.

But yeah, you're putting faith in that, what they say, you know?

Right.

It's tough. Like I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. It's like, you know, s*** happens. Like, absolutely. Cause like you see that all the time with some of these big power guys. It's like, well, that's part of being a race car. But that's also sometimes, this is where we're gonna stop being devil's advocate. That sometimes it can't always be an excuse either.

Exactly.

Sometimes it's just a quality issue.

Exactly.

And I, you know, again, I'm not involved enough to know enough of this, but apparently, you know, I've talked to other people that are in that high horsepower category. And it's like, yeah, it's a bit of a meme.

Right.

To get those wheels.

Right. Cause like when they first came out, you know, they were on Vipers, Lambos, all that, and Aaron, Enthmoto, you know, he would have been running them all, but I'm good friends with Aaron and broke that, and ruined that relationship, and just ridiculous.

What do you have on your car now?

RC Comp.

Okay.

I want to switch to something polished. So I'm kind of looking at other options right now, but.

In the GT 500 world right now, the signature wheels seem to be the real big.

Signatures and forged lines.

Yeah. So.

Cause you have a new GT 500.

Yeah.

Awesome.

And I took the carbon wheels off because I'm too scared.

Oh, is it a carbon?

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah. Yeah. They're sitting in my shop, and I don't know what to do with them. It'd be nice to have that money to get more stuff into the car.

Yeah.

Cause they're what?

15, 20 grand?

Yeah. Realistically, they're probably like, you get 13 to 15 grand for a set. Yeah.

I just recently built a GT 500 for a guy, and he bought these like pucks that you lift the car with.

Yep.

And there was no wheels on it when I got there, carbon fiber car. And he's like, yeah, just put the wheels on, lower it down, and then put my pucks on and lift it back up. It's like, I'm not touching those wheels.

Yeah.

I like floor jacked it, you know? I'll put these on myself.

I've had a call around, I need one tire mounted, and I've called some people to see, hey, who wants the- Yeah, that's, Jared sent me there. That's where he told me to go, yeah.

Did you use them?

I haven't yet. I have to get it mounted still.

Yeah, they just did a set for another guy, like within the last two months.

Okay.

That's scary, dude. I would not want to be the guy touching those. What about magnesium wheels?

I don't know a ton about them.

Yeah, is there many issues with them?

So, they're lightweight, but magnesium is flammable. So, this is one reason why...

It's banned in drag racing, but it's fine for everything else, because Porsches have them.

Yeah.

I fought with somebody about this a few weeks ago, actually, and he's like, no, man, magnesium is flammable, you can't use it. And I'm just like, three of my friends have it under GT3 RSs. Well, actually, the new GTD is going to have magnesium wheels, too.

Yeah, I think so. I have a set of Saleen magnesium wheels, which are like super uber rare.

Really?

Yeah.

So, I think it's got to be some sort of compound, then. Right.

Something.

Because I've been in chemistry class. I've seen that f***** go up in smoke. Right. I'm like, those wheels... So, like, you know, the math wasn't a math thing, but I don't know.

I should...

You know what I'd like to get? I'd like to get somebody on here who makes performance wheels. That'd be cool. That's going to be my plan for PRI next year.

The Kaiser owner is fantastic. Did you go to PRI this year?

Yeah.

Yes, we were with him at the bar afterwards on Friday night, I think. Super cool guy. And their whole factory burned to the ground, and he rebuilt everything. Yeah.

Did you know the Koenigsegg factory burned down, too? I was watching a JWW video recently, and apparently, however long ago, the Koenigsegg factory burned down.

Really?

Yeah. I'm not sure if this was recent, or I don't think it was recent recent, but I don't know if this was five years ago or a decade ago or whatever, but yeah, apparently that was a thing.

Crazy.

I really should have looked into that more because I was just like, oh, that's an interesting fact. But like, yeah, they were like, you know, a lot of these early hypercar companies, like their cars are super expensive, but they're running on credit. So it's like something like that happens.

That same guy that I built that GT 500 for, he was just wherever Conan Seg is, and he went and did the factory tour. And like he said, you check your phone in, you know, you leave it at the front. Yeah, there's no pictures, nothing. You can like take your picture at the end with everyone in front of the factory, but that's it. Oh wow.

That's fair though.

Like he said, it's like a doctor's room, like clean as can be.

Oh yeah, because again, I was watching a video with JWW and it's like the tour. It's like you could eat off the floor. Just ridiculous.

Reminds you of like the NASCAR facilities, like with how clean those always are.

Yeah. The Daytona 500 was today too, right?

Yeah, it got rained out yesterday. Yeah. So is it going on like right now then?

I think like right now, right now, we'll be back with the podcast boys. I think it started at like three or whatever. So three hours deep. How long does it usually go for? I'm not in that scene, but like after watching the new Netflix series.

I'd say all of three hours.

I was thinking three or four hours.

Yeah. Yeah, I just watched that series the other day.

It was good.

Yeah.

They have an IndyCar one coming. I think it's going to be on Paramount Plus. I'm going to watch that because I want to get into IndyCar too. Just because, you know, the thing is with all these big motor sports, you see these, you know, the engineers switch from sport to sport.

Right.

You know, it's like, oh, we're going to go do F1 for a while, or F2, and then we're going to go do this, you know, whatever. So, I don't know. Super cool.

All the live data on that stuff is insane. Like, have you, so like, say they get some slip in turn four or whatever, like they can dampen it remotely to adjust for the slip.

Oh, really?

Yeah. It's insane.

So the driver just concentrates on driving.

And like, he reports what he notices. And they make their changes. Yeah.

It's crazy. How involved are you in watching F1? So soon? Not really? Yeah. Because we're about to start the new season. So I was about to say, I was about to go down a rabbit hole.

I know like the max versus stop in or whatever. A couple of them, but not.

Do you watch any motorsport or not really?

Not really. Ever since like, No Prep, or not No Prep Kings. What's the Street Outlaws? It kind of ruined car TV for me.

I agree. I used to watch this show too. And it got so full of s***. Yeah.

Street cars.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If your s*** shows up and it has to show up in a trailer. Yeah, right.

Or the golf cart.

Then there's always that fake, like, cops, cops, everybody runs like, yeah, OK, there's TV cameras everywhere.

Yeah. You're not moving this operation.

No, not at all.

Well, you see how long it takes for me to pack up the cameras after this podcast. Like, cops, cops. Give me five to ten minutes.

Especially if you have a car to load up.

Right.

The story that Eric Bloomey told on this, when he saw this crazy, I think it was in 2017, he saw this crazy race at, you know, Texas 2K or whatever. And apparently, the cops were coming and these guys showed up at like 3 or 4 a.m. in trailers, got out, had their race suits on and everything for like a street race. And then all of a sudden, you know, the cops came on. So the guys just drove into the trailer, guys still staying in there in the trailer.

Yeah.

And I'm like, well, the logic tracks, I mean, as long as nobody breaks too hard, we're good.

Right. Yeah, man.

If you've built a car like that, take it to the track. Go run what cars like that. Stuff should be either should be like a thousand horsepower limit, right? You should just be in that in that driver range. I know cars are getting ridiculous and stupid, but ridiculous.

You're talking to one of the ridiculous people right here.

With mine, if I don't have 300 pounds in the trunk, it won't do anything on the street.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I built a whole weight bar.

So I have one inch plates all bolted to you get to that point where you where you go, okay, I'm now leaving the realm of street car and I'm entering the race, riding, flirting.

Because like I have AC and heat still. It's still full interior backseat batteries in the same location.

Street car still street car.

You know, like my fiance drives it more than I do. And well, like my only complaint is the steering is terrible because it's manual rack. But like my Fox body, you can like, you know, steer it however you want. This one, if you got your like, if you put your arm in one of the holes in the wheel and let go, I'll bet it would break your wrist.

Really?

It's insane.

Is your Fox one, is that a flaming river or what?

So is my other one. Is it? I don't understand why.

I have a Fox that they put a turbo kit on and they took their idea of making it manual was just take out the power steering pump and leave the rag.

And that's better than what my car is.

Oh, really? S***. So I'm either going to put it all the back in there or get a flaming river rack or something and go out and do an electric assist Volvo kinder.

I think it's Volvo or Saab conversion.

Oh, okay.

Pretty slick.

What about traction management? What do you have in there? Holly Holly. Okay.

So I have Holly traction control and then Steven has his own magic that he overlays with it. So basically it's timing based, time based with timing and boost. So it's you can't it's totally. So when I roll race, I do boost by speed, and then when I dig race, it's boost by time. Oh, huh.

Okay. Because I was gonna ask, because again, especially when you're in the street, you know, right. It's about the leave, right? That's I mean, that's just crazy, right?

Like with so on my car when I had the GT 55 on it. So like roll racing, I couldn't do anything under 60 miles an hour. So like if I start at 45, it would take 12 to 15 seconds of brake boost and like to get it ready to go. Really? And then it would come in so hard that it would just blow the like traction control and wouldn't catch it at all.

Do you remember how long we were brake boosting in my car till you heard a spool?

Yeah, not that long.

Yeah. We have an X3M and it's like now, you know?

Yeah.

Because like I got rolling anti-vibro whatever in my car, you know, courtesy of Brian May next door.

Mine too.

And I remember asking him, I'm like, how long should I do it for? He's like, I don't know, half a second.

And you're telling me you're sitting there for like four seconds. Yeah. Yeah.

So you have to 10 to 12 seconds.

That's crazy. And then like at the track.

But that was on the single, right?

That was on the single. Tracker street, whatever on the trans break, it would take anywhere from seven to 10 seconds to get to target launch. Okay.

That's crazy.

And by that time, so like, I don't let my car run at all at the track. I don't heat it up like, because it gets hot. So I'll pull in the staging, do my burnout. Trans will be at 90 degrees. When I turn off after an eighth mile pass, it's at 210, because you're sitting on the break for so long. Yeah. It's insane.

That's crazy.

It's terrible. So I added, now it's way better, because I just had like this little Duramax cooler up front. But I series that with a huge derail in the trunk. So it seems to be working pretty well. Last summer, I went out and raced a Viper with Aaron, and I was able to make like eight hits on the highway back to back, and it didn't get hot at all.

That's good. Against Aaron, you mean?

Yeah. Yeah, he kicked my a** every time.

Which car was that?

That was Jordan Martin's, the blue one.

Nice.

Thanks, man.

That's a cool car, dude.

I met Aaron racing Jake Thomas' Viper, the black one, the black TA2, I believe it is, when my car is at like 1,100 horse. And they're like, yeah, we'll turn it down. It'll be good. You know, it'll be a good race. And like, it's like a black blur going by. You know how fast it's insane.

Those cars are crazy. I got to ride a Minneapolis Mopar's car a handful of times now. I think I probably...

You go to Texas with him, don't you?

Yeah, we just got back from Texas a few weeks ago.

Was that the Motorplex?

Yes. So that was pretty cool to get a lay at a land. The cool thing about that track compared to the one that just got torn down, unfortunately, is that the Motorplex, the track is on top of everything. So if there's rain, it goes off to the side. So if for whatever reason, you know, it sprinkles the night before or whatever, there's a chance that you can race the next day.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we rented Motorplex 2020, 2021. 21, I believe it was, in a beautiful facility. And it's like seven hours closer than Houston's.

I think it was four, four or five. But either way, it's drastic. Well, that's what it feels like too, though, because like we're talking 19 hours versus 14.

Exactly.

That's huge, because 14, you could easily straight shot.

Exactly. That's a day trip.

You know, some lunatics you could do in 19 hours, no problem, you know, because they're used to the road trip.

But like, well, somebody doesn't want to leave till 9am. Other parties in our group are ready to leave at like three or four to make that trek.

Right.

You know, some people, these guys said 2am. I'm like, get the f*** out of here. You're out of your mind.

2am is when we meet up and then we pick up your pansy a**.

Yeah.

Because like I have to drive an hour that way anyway.

Got it.

We would need about a half hour in between or whatever. But it's like if I wanted to, if we wanted to start in Hudson, you know. Is that where you're at? Yeah.

Got it.

So like that's an hour drive for me. And I'm just saying you're thinking like, if they want to, I'm down in Shakopee.

Okay.

So I'm saying you're thinking like, if I have to, you know, if we want to leave at 2am, I have to, you know, leave my house at 1am. So I might as well just, you know, listen, I'm all for waking up at four or five. No big deal. But you get, you start going into the just after midnight zone. Now some parties may say you could do some party favors, stay up the night, you'll be fine.

But not at my age.

No, thanks.

Well, I got higher blood pressure in both of you. So leave me alone.

That's probably why your doctor is telling you to piss off. He's like, you shouldn't even have these problems.

Right.

Yeah.

Listen, if I did party favors, I'd completely understand. But I'm as clean as a whistle. I don't even drink.

Yeah.

I'm like the only 24-year-old. That's what I thought too. I'm like, maybe I could take the edge off and lower my blood pressure. I'll be a medical marvel. How the hell do we get on that? So but no, I think literally like when you're on the break, that puts on a hell of a show at the track.

It's cool. Like it makes a bunch of pops and bangs, flames, but like it was super annoying. So like anyone that I would draw to race, I'd have to go up to them like, hey, my car spools super slow. I don't want to burn you down. You know, count, let me light the bulb and then count to like five in your head before you come in. And, you know, that all sounds great, but it never works. You know, they see you bump and they're scared to red light, you know, or scared to not get in quick enough. And yeah, you end up just getting them hot. You're hot. It's it sucks. So the twin should be much better. And if not, I'm putting nitrous on it.

Is that something we're going to see people start to trend towards more and more is the twin set up?

So like we were talking about earlier, I think it's horsepower based. Like I said, there's some guys that can make the big singles work really good with a lot of transmission tricks. But I'd say a thousand horse you should be looking at twins because you don't lose your spool time.

But then we also have people like Mike coming on here, you know, he has his ESS and he's making high 900 wheel. How much can you, because those centrifugals can go up pretty high too.

Depends on the unit. I want to say like the bait, like a YSI is good for like 1400. I'm not sure what the ESS kits are. I want to say like 1100 maybe before you got to go up.

Do Sando's pro charger kits they had on display at PRI.

They're huge, like crane driven ones.

Yeah.

Insane.

How do those work?

There's a mandrel. Well, some are like a cog belt. So you have a cog on the crank and then cog belt with the pro charger right above the crank. Otherwise, some are mandrel direct to the crank. They like dock each other. Think of it that way.

Yeah.

Yeah. I just want to add a new type of sound.

It's 2024. We can do anything. Right.

Yeah. Welcome to Grindr. This is the one side of the hub I wasn't expecting to be on.

Yeah. Right.

That's the thing, man. You scroll for long enough, you're just going to be like, huh, what's that? And then all of a sudden, you're into something new. Right.

Was this your first PRI? Or have you guys been before?

Yep.

First one for us. And that's why I'm excited. This is my first year going to SEMA.

It's a good one to be your first.

Yeah. So we went to SEMA first.

Okay.

And then I went to that-

Same year?

Yes. So then we were like, wow, I keep hearing about PRI, and they say, that's for real race car guys. So I'm like, all right, we gotta go check it out. It's in driving distance.

Right.

We don't have to fly there. So yeah, we decided to make that happen. And yeah, it was, because there was only that one section of SEMA that I got excited about was where they're showing all that s*** anyway. Right. You know, I didn't really care about the cars and all that kind of stuff.

SEMA seems to have a ton of cool tools.

Yes, I did the tool room. Oh man, it was awesome.

That's like the only reason I would want to go, I think.

And to think that like Harbor Freight gets such a bad name.

Right.

But they had such a display and a set up there. It was insane.

And like their pliers and stuff are identical to Snap-on.

Yeah.

You know, I don't care what you say. And it's got a warranty, so if it breaks, whatever.

They got their new Series 3 toolboxes too. That's insane. That are like almost, they're one-eighth the price of a Snap-on box.

Yeah. Snap-on Markups are my Snap-on guy. Like he'll have a beautiful box on the truck weekly, and I have a Milwaukee box. Because like when I quit my job, so every job I've had has had supplied toolboxes. So I've never had a toolbox. Then I quit my job and like, crap, I need a toolbox. So I went to Home Depot, picked that up. But my Snap-on guy is like, trade that thing in, it's time for a Snap-on. It's like 17 grand for a double bank. And then I was like, I'll give you five cash, and he's like, seven. He's like, you can come down that far? I wasn't expecting that. It's like, what the heck?

We just knocked 10 grand off this right there.

It's like, that's tempting. Yeah. But now I know it's worth three.

Right, exactly.

Dude, that took a second to buffer with me. I was just like, huh?

It's insane. Yeah. Yeah, like my dad's got a Mr. Big. My dad has the first Mr. Big that was built. Had the first one, it was damaged, got the second one. And that thing was like 40 grand back in 2006, five? It's nuts.

Crazy.

Yeah.

By the way, I'm posting a highlight. We're gonna get Harbor Freight as a sponsor to some.

They would, man. They're really up and up on their tools right now, their hand tools and other stuff.

Anything that I'm not using every day is Harbor Freight. No reason not to be.

Keep talking.

And like, the majority of my tools are Snap-on, like wrenches, ratchets, you know, like the good tools. Yep. But, like my vacuum bleeder, Harbor Freight, Pittsburgh Harbor Freight, you know, it's all cheap stuff.

I grew up working on cars with my dad, and we were always craftsmen, guys. They were the Harbor Freight of back in the day, right? But still, you get the same warranty, you got all the same stuff.

Walk into Sears.

Well, yeah, when they existed, it was super easy to get that stuff. So yeah, I'm not, I'm not, there's the new one to the game for the cheap s***.

I broke a craftsman wrench the other day, and it's like, well, I don't think I can do anything with that.

No.

Weld it up, maybe.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's crazy. I remember I was talking to Balta, right? Because I like to bounce ideas off of him, like who to reach out to for potential sponsorships, whatever. And I still have yet to do that, just because again, I've been bogged down. But I'm just sitting here thinking, like, why not reach out to everybody?

Right.

It's like, I'm not just going to reach out to people that I know directly.

The worst thing you're going to get is a no.

That's kind of what I learned in sales positions, the ones that I've done well at and the ones I've been fired from is like, you know, the worst is you're going to get a no.

Exactly. So like prime example, for everyone listening, sponsors, don't reach out to a small business owner and ask them for $4,000, right? And you have no following, you know, like it's just not how it works. Like my buddy Kyle, we just sponsored his car and it was 250 for the banner, I believe for like his pit mat. And then it was 500 for all the merch and the pit mat. And it's like, well, 500 is way more appealing to a small business guy. And he filled up all of his spots in like three hours. Oh, wow. You know, so it's like, be smart about what you're asking for. I've had dirtjack guys email me like full portfolios and it's like, cool, like what do I get? And they're like, we live in a small town and there's like four BMWs there. It's like, that's not, yeah, I get it.

But that's the other thing too. It's like.

Yeah, that's a benefit you too, right? Right. You're just giving away money.

Yeah, you're not the government prime example, like Kyle's my buddy. So we're sponsoring him, but relationship is part of the two. Absolutely. But not always trying to get away from the performance stuff. I'm not going to sponsor like putting a valve cover gasket on your BMW. You know, right.

Why not?

No, I know. But yeah, when we had, were you a part of the podcast yet? When I had Charlie on, I think you were right.

Charlie was not. I came in. Yeah, it was. I might talk about it.

Just checking your memory, Biden.

But it was erased in Mexico.

But no, we talked about him and it's like, or we talked with him because like he used to be on the receiving end of that when he worked at MAP and it's like, Charlie, yeah. Yep.

So he's like, he's on his own now, isn't he?

Correct.

Yeah.

And there's some things he's waiting to announce or whatever. He's doing cool stuff.

Yeah.

That dude's legit. Dude, the kindest. But we're talking about it. It's like, yeah, at the end of the day, like it's, if you go above the, if you put more effort in, not just doing like a regular email, like, hey, give me free stuff, but put together a package like you mentioned.

Right.

But then also there's an actual ROI there.

Right.

Like at the end of the day, businesses got to make money.

Exactly.

Now big companies like Summit or whatever, they could risk a little bit more.

Exactly.

But the more appealing your package is, like Charlie mentioned, like he gave sponsorships to guys that had no following, because they perform on track. Like if you have a guy that's setting first, second, third, whatever, on an autocross.

Even someone that's going to every event. But you get people that reach out to you, well, I race twice a year. I was like, what is that doing for me?

Right. Now granted, if you cut me a $10,000 check right now, I will be at every event this season.

Absolutely. And that's a huge part of it. They're trying to race more with your money though.

Right.

It's like I have my own car to race.

There's that too.

No.

And that's the thing. I can't remember. I think, was it Balto or somebody else suggested that I reach out to local shops, right? But again, those guys don't have as big of, for example, you're a local shop, right?

Right.

You're not going to cut me a check for 10 grand.

Exactly.

Unless there's a direct correlation.

But there's some that are just willing to help, like welcome here to the ratified studio here. Just a shout out to them. Right.

Exactly. It's like no sweat off the back or whatever, but it's a good mutual relationship. Absolutely. Like this makes sense.

Well, that and it brings so many people in here.

Right, yeah.

It's great.

Right. But it's like if I were to bring in like one top tier 1000 horsepower build, you know, makes sense. Not saying that that's going to happen. That's why we have a unique agreement. But like if I again was working with, you know, a big company like Summit or something, you know, and I could move 20 seats, you know, with code Minnoxide or something.

Exactly.

That's how I see it. So we'll see what happens.

Because with that stuff, you get a kickback, don't you?

Depends on it. There's so many different agreements. Like I know some of these like affiliate ones, right? For example, like this Jaco stuff, like, you know, they're not actually a sponsor. I just like the product, right? You get 10% off fused code Minnoxide, but then I also get 10% commission.

Cool.

I've never moved s*** besides Sean. He's the only person that's ever bought it. But it's, you know, you know, it's like I made 20 bucks. But it's like, if you have that, for example, like, actually, no, another one's like Lunatech, right? So they're another company that I work with here locally to develop their own detailing product, which is I just put out a video the other day. And it's like, I think you get 10 or 15% off. And here's the deal. If I ever do affiliate stuff, I will take a smaller commission if it means you get a bigger discount.

Right.

Because like 10% is nothing. Who gives a s*** about 10%?

Especially like I've got like my buddy Josh just messaged me earlier for brake pads, like strange brake pads. And they're like 55 bucks, my cost is $53.89. It's like you might as well just buy from them because I have to charge you tax then and they don't. Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's some of the some of the dealer stuff is a bit ridiculous.

Well, so I have an account because I have a business. I have a fleet account at O'Reilly's. So which I'm getting this.

I can't pay taxes there.

I do.

They charge me taxes too. And I'm a business account.

I doesn't even think about it because technically you're reselling. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. They have my resell certificate and everything.

I don't even think about that. But anyway, the discount I get on some stuff is huge.

Right.

And other stuff. And I can't like, usually it's their branded stuff that I get a better discount on. Right. But they'll also like, if you find it online, sometimes they'll still, you can negotiate with them sometimes on parts. I'm like, this man, I could walk across the street to Walmart and buy this jug of.

Exactly.

Motorcraft oil for half the price.

Exactly.

So they'll do it. But I don't know. I'm having trouble going to O'Reilly's lately because you can't get anybody over the age of 14 to work there.

Yeah.

And I, I stopped going to Napa and I went to them because they were having a better deals on parts. And I called Napa the other day for something and he was like, Oh, do this, this and this. I don't have that part. Blah, blah, blah. And he's like, or try O'Reilly's. He's like, I was already there, man. He's like, what'd you try here? I was like, listen, you're the only adult I've talked to today. So let's just put it that way.

Right, right, yeah, we are, if we're not doing factory parts, I'll get stuff from AutoZone, but like, not Dura Last stuff. You know, I'll do like Mali, Delphi, stuff like that.

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My kids sing the O'Reilly's one all the time.

See, I don't know. AutoZone's been stuck on my head for last week because I know Balto has been talking to the AutoZone people.

I'm drawing a blank on what both of them sound like right now.

Oh, you know, oh, oh, oh, yeah, that's O'Reilly's one.

That's the AutoZone one.

Get in the zone.

AutoZone. Man, I think get in the zone might be.

It's a good one. What's another good jingle? I know somebody's going to text me more jingles now, too.

By the way, we're open for sponsorships here. Any of you? I know we butchered those jingles, but.

I don't know. My AutoZone one was pretty good. It was pretty good. I'm going to cut that. It's going to be great. I'm going to make it my ringtone.

Are you guys going to TX2K this year?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yep. So we're actually going together and Caleb Eisenberger is going to be joining us as well.

Caleb's a good dude.

Dude, his car is going to be ridiculous.

He's got a lot of cool stuff.

It comes and goes.

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think he keeps much, but the stuff he's got is pretty sweet.

His C7 has been in the works forever, and we'll see what happens with that car. But he picked up the ZR1, and that thing is wicked.

It looks nice. I wish ZR1s weren't a hundred grand. Yeah.

You know, some of them aren't.

It's going to look really...

No, some of them aren't that either.

Have you seen 50s? Really?

Surprisingly. I've seen 50s and 60s. These are like... And not to say that these, that Caleb's was that much, but I'm saying I've seen the occasional deal go up. It's ridiculous.

I want an Inferno Orange ZR1 really bad.

You might struggle to get that one for a good price.

And 75 is the cheapest I've seen with 60k on it.

Being in my position too, and this is where I'm excited as Minnoxide continues to grow, is I get to see more and more of these off-market deals.

Yeah.

It's kind of cool. Well, I'm sure you do too, as well, being in your position. Occasionally something might come up.

Well, we buy cars off customers here and there, so that's your best bet. Yeah.

Especially if you've got a large bill to pay, right?

Yeah. I have an E90 that I picked up off a guy, like three grand, and it's what I drive every day.

Really?

And I have four brand new vehicles, and I'd rather drive this thing. Park it wherever you want. It's got hail damage.

That's why I love my town car, man. I bought it just to drive over here for this, because I'm getting tired driving through the metro.

Right. Yeah, I had to drive my truck today, and it's like, man, this thing sucks, like brand new truck, and this thing sucks to drive. If it doesn't have a trailer on it, it's bumpy.

Oh, I know. That's what I always say. My truck drives like a hay wagon. I put bigger springs in the front because my plow was making the whole front end sag. Yeah, and so now it just the front end is just barely higher than the rear end. And I'm going to I'm going to probably put 350 springs in the rear just to fix that. Yeah, I have airbags back there too, which I could play with. But my dad is makes fun of me all the time. He's like, you know, one of them tail draggers. You just moved down to Tennessee. I'm like, it's like half an inch off, man. The only person that knows it does it is you.

I'd rather be a half inch that way than a half inch that way.

Yeah.

As long as you got airbags.

So that I should fix the rake on my Golf is what you're telling me then.

Oh, is there one?

A little bit. Yeah, because when I made the adjustments, I think I dropped the front a hair more. It was the rear. I think it was the front. I dropped a little bit more. Yeah. I didn't know what the f*** I was doing. And I've just been too lazy. I've just been too lazy to get under there and do anything, which by the way, Dan, I need to schedule an oil change to use your lift.

You can get a Harbor Freight to give me a toolbox.

Yeah, there you go.

And then I will work on your car all you need to do to work.

Just let me throw it up on the lift. Yeah.

That's the lift.

Did you guys see that crazy photo that just circulated recently, like the Mohawk lift that tipped over with the truck?

No, it was really weird though, because it was like the top part, there was only maybe an inch of concrete still hooked to the bottom of the post.

Okay.

So I don't know if they just get the anchors in deep enough or if they just it flaked off and kind of chipped like a, you know, whatever that stone is that I'm drawing a blank anyway, it I don't know if it pulled out or what happened. Yeah, it tipped into the truck.

That's like my biggest fear.

Yeah.

So I'm doing an engine on a C8 right now. And those are falling off lifts all the time. Yeah. I have it strapped to the lift.

Oh, really?

This thing's not coming off.

Is that like a regular thing for them to be falling off or something?

Apparently.

Yeah, no, there's like a there's like a special way that you're supposed to lift them or certain lift points on them because like when they're complete, they're fine.

But if you pull an engine out of it, all the rear weight's gone. They've yeah.

Well, we saw a video of a C6 do that recently, too, because like they took the f****** motor out.

Right. So obviously the weights and then like, do you remember the C6 rumors like, oh, you can't open the door if it's on a lift. Any of that? Apparently early on, like if the window was up and you open the door while it was on a lift, it would shatter the window.

Oh, really?

Because it was like, slightly tweaked, yeah, the frames are so stiff that it would put some tension on it and break a window, apparently, really. So that was a weird thing.

How as an auto manufacturer, are you supposed to predict that when you're designing a car? Right, right. Because there's so many things that can just go wrong.

I mean, it should your car's gonna go on a lift every once in a while.

Right. So what year is your Lincoln?

2007.

So like the 02s where you had to like pull the fuse before you lifted it.

Oh, yes. Mine has like a shut off in the trunk, which I don't even do anyway when I put it on a lift. It's a $2,000 car. Right up there.

Like back then on the old ones, you'd lift it and then set it down and it would blow the bags out of it.

Oh, really?

As soon as you put the weight back on it because it goes up and it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I need to stiffen. And then you lower and it would blow the bags out of it.

Oh, really? Maybe I should be at the time.

It was like three grand in damage.

Holy s***.

Yeah. Yeah. No, thanks.

That's rowdy.

Yeah. I don't know. Is your are your lifts asymmetrical or the symmetrical?

I do symmetrical. So I want an arm up front and arm in the back instead of both coming back. I have one lift where they both come back.

So mine's like the mine's an asymmetrical one and it makes me nervous as s*** because technically the vehicle is supposed to be back a little bit from the arms, right?

Those are nice for getting the doors open.

Yeah.

That's really about it.

Yeah.

I don't like them for super low cars because then you have to swing that arm under the entire car.

Yep.

Low cars. You can't do that.

No. I have that problem too. So I have to drive up on two by sixes or something, and then I lift the car up that way.

Exactly.

And then I did for a full year, I was working on cars without the tall jack stands and I'm wrenching on s*** and the whole thing's rocking back and forth.

Like the spin jacks?

Yeah, right. So they're $30 or something for a set on Amazon. I'm like, I'm just going to buy these. And it's been a world of difference. It makes me peace of mind anyway.

Like anytime I'm like, if I have like a diesel truck on the lift, I'll put a spin jack under the front of it just to be safe.

My wife's excursion in my truck going on a lift every now and again. So the excursion is huge. It's a marvel to see it go up on the lift.

Is it gas or?

No, she's seven three, man. The big heavy pig. Yeah.

My dad had brand new excursions like every year.

Oh, really? Yeah.

They would like drive them to the house and be like, here's the new one. It would just not leave.

I wish they'd bring that thing back.

Yeah, it'd be cool.

You get 100 grand, you can have somebody build you one.

Yeah. It's probably 100 plus the car.

They buy like a, you know, a single cab.

Donor.

Yeah. Like the 15, 16 is the super duties I liked before they were Luma duties and the emissions weren't as cranked up.

Yeah. I had a 16. I was, I went to Florida to have my cage put in my car and I had a 97 single cab, long box, seven, three, beautiful truck, zero rust. And this was pre COVID and I listed it for like 15 grand at that time. That was crazy numbers.

Yeah.

And a dude in Kentucky was like, Hey, I'll take it. I was like, well, you're in Kentucky. Like how can I make this work? So when I was motor works is owned by Penske. So I was like, I'll rent a Penske truck because you can get a Penske truck anywhere to put my trailer back on to get home. And we go to pick up the Penske truck and it's got a two inch ball. And I was like, Hey, I needed two and five sixteenths or whatever the hell it is. And yes, it wouldn't work. So I called the guy. I'm like, Hey, I'm heading to the Ford dealership right now to see if there's any trucks because I'm not losing this. You know, I paid like nine grand for that truck. It's like, I'm going to make a bunch of money. And this is like early on when I was young. So yeah, we went to the closest Ford dealership and I was like, I need a truck like now. And the lady's like, are you going to buy it today? And I was like, yeah, we like this truck is sold. I need something.

Yeah.

And she clocked back in and took me over to her other store and they had a gray F three fifty hold over 2016.

Nice.

You know, and the 17s had just came out.

Yep.

Because I was like, I don't want to spend like 65 grand. That's insane. And she's like, Oh, I got this one. It's like, is it gray? Yeah. Black interior? Yeah. I'll take it. So I didn't even look at it until after I owned it.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah. I was like, if it's magnetic gray and black interior, I'll take it.

Then you went from that 7.3 to the 6.7, and you were like, Oh, man.

So then I drive. Yeah. So I'm driving this brand new truck, and my girlfriend at the time was driving the 7.3, and we had to go like two hours to meet this guy. And we pull up with the two trucks, and he's like, What is that? Well, I sold you this one. We got to get home, you know? So kind of funny.

What about the Corvettes? I thought I saw something about a twin turbo Corvette at your shop.

We do a bunch of C8s.

Okay. Is that like your specialty? Or what's going on with that?

No, just we've done six of them now, I believe six. Everyone that we've done was pre ECU unlock. So none of them were tuned, which is why this one that I have at the shop is getting an engine. So yeah, it was non intercooled kit. I told him I was like, if you're going to floor it, count to seven in your head and let off. You don't want high intake temps. And he called me on a Sunday and he's like, yeah, I was just cruising like 100 and it spit the dipstick out of it and there's oil everywhere. Like, oh, you broke something. And I plugged into it on the scan tool and it set the check engine light at 192 miles an hour. Intake temps at 340, you know, because it logs everything. And I'm guessing that's where it maxed the sensor out. So I probably saw 500 degrees. I'm guessing it melted a piston. I'll know shortly here.

Just daily, just cruising.

Yeah. So then I call him, I'm like, 100 miles an hour, huh? He's like, well, that's where I started. Come on, dude. No easy on me.

You're not going to get away with that s*** nowadays, right? And then-

But like, prime example, he's a great customer.

Yeah.

So like, as soon as I called him out on it, he's like, oh, I didn't know you'd see that. Yeah. Just funny.

Well, it helps you diagnose too, right? That's like going into your doctor and being like, hey, I have this problem, but you don't tell them the fact that your guts have been killing you for three days. You could have this.

So like at, when I was at Motorworks, we'd have 335s, you know, M3s coming in all the time. Is it tuned? No. You sure it's not tuned? Okay. Then we'd plug into it and BMW would flag the car for having software in it, void the warranty immediately. It's like, had you told me this, we could have loaded it back to stock. I could have done my work and you'd have your car back, you know? Now, you just lost your warranty and if anything happens, you're screwed.

So you're saying if you have a hookup at a dealership, it's better to be honest and they might be able to help you.

Be honest. Absolutely.

Okay.

Absolutely. I had one kid message me when I was at the dealership as well, and he's like, hey, the engine's knocking. And I was like, okay, is there anything done to it? Yeah, tune in downpipe. I was like, take the downpipe off, load it back to stock. And they brought it in with no downpipe on it. They just took the downpipe off. And I'm like, what are you doing? You know? And yeah, so they ended up kicking it. It's like, dude, I didn't think I had to spoon feed that to you.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, sometimes you got to be blunt.

Well, sometimes even if you load it back to stock, they can see that there hasn't been enough key cycles or that.

Early Fords were doing like flash counts. You could see how many times like on my car, it was like 200 and something when I was on stock ECU. That's how I met Jarrett was when my car needed a PCM and then I went to Ford because they would do performance stuff because I had the turbo kit on it. And I had scoped it myself and you could see the ignition failing on it. And yeah, he put an ECU in it and fixed everything. But yeah, that initial ECU had like 200 and something flashes on it. It's like, well, flashing, it's not going to take out a coil driver. You know, right.

So just because this question just keeps lingering in the back of my head. So those Corvettes, they have to stay on the stock ECU then? Or like, how's that exactly? Does that work?

So initially FuelTech and MoTeC had piggybacks for them. Now you can tune them.

But for the six that you did before, what was kind of like the bolted on and go? Really?

The stock ECU will learn up to eight pounds of boost.

Oh, okay.

So you like go do they have you do like these driving cycles. Every kit that I've done is an ETS kit and it, you know, they say go drive it, you know, half throttle, three quarter throttle, you know, just let it learn.

Yep.

They work great. And so they don't.

Yeah. So then so what exactly kind of causes that problem of it melting down heat, heat, can't manage it or something.

It's $20,000 for the turbo kit. It's $27,000 if you want an intercooled kit. So no one does the intercooled kit, you know, and at the time you couldn't tune them anyway. So you don't need to be running a bunch of boost, but now it's kind of sky's the limit.

Yeah, but if you're sending it issues with their engines anyway, even without doing that, I've heard of some. Yeah.

Yeah.

Quite so does the 06.

Is that what it is?

Okay.

The 06 was the one that again, here's the problem with these like, you know, these big media companies in the car scene. I wonder or not car scene, but like in the car world, I wonder if some of them are getting paid off to just kind of push certain stories. Like, for example, what's in the media right now, a million articles about the cyber truck rusting.

Yeah.

And it seems like they're working together.

We're not talking about Taylor Swift anymore? Who?

But like, I'm saying more so for like the car world in general, not your Fox nines, but or your CNNs. But like, you know, when the Corvette like once one granated, apparently all the companies were on it. All the all the car journalists were it.

Did you guys see all the Whipple stuff for like a month there?

Because I'm in the GT 500 world, so they were like, yeah, this will f*** your GT 500.

Yeah, they're like, do not let every Whipple. Well, not every Whipple, but it seemed like every Whipple was granating, taking out engines, ruining everything.

Well, I saw some of that aftermath, though, that when I started seeing pictures, I thought so I had a failure, an engine failure once, and after seeing what I saw them when they lifted it off into parts of metals where it was, I was like, wow, that looked just like I feel like I might have had a Whipple failure at one point in time, too. But I thought it might have been something else. But again, that's part of that whole like you can't really because I took the car in after that and I went rebuild and I took my supercharger down to John Bond, who is like a supercharger guru in Northern Iowa. And he's like, yeah, I need to do bearings and you do all this. I was like, how can that even be? I've had it on my car for like maybe 10,000 miles. I chipped it corner off a piston. So I'm like, I don't think all of that went into the supercharger and f***** the bearings. So I don't know. What can you do? They're, they're not a small name in the supercharger game.

Exactly.

So yeah.

And then VMP just joined Whipple.

I know. I saw that. I watched that video.

That's exciting because turn 14 sells VMP. So now I can get a hookup on Whipple's. Whipple's with a VMP logo on it.

I think that was a, I mean, because they have this 2024 thing on lock Whipple, and now they've got this partnership with Ford. Yes. Yep.

I'm surprised that they're kind of letting them do their own spinoff of it.

I was shocked at that, that partnership, to be honest with you.

Yeah. Justin Starkey, I believe we were with him at PRI. Justin Young, do you know him? Mod Motor Mustangs?

I don't. I have a friend of mine that's part of that Mod Motor Mustangs.

Got it.

Yeah.

Justin Young runs it. And the nice thing with him at PRI is he knows everyone. So the people that I've met through him have been fantastic. But that's how PRI works.

I'm going to blame the listener not knowing, but who?

Justin Young.

Yeah.

He owns Mod Motor Mustangs.

Gotcha.

Gotcha. Not like famous or anything, but in the Mustang world, he's popular.

Dude, you know what? You're kind of keeping a hot streak here for the Ford guys. I'm telling you, the Ford guy podcasts are always my favorite. Seriously. It's ridiculous. I don't know what it is.

That's why I brought that up in the beginning, right? Because I was like, this is going to be great.

Which is why we need to get some more Chevy people in here to really settle the score.

Reach out if you're a Chevy fan. Come on now. Let's show it.

Have you guys had Aaron on Enthomoto?

No, I reached out to him, but he's probably busy right now. Well, dude, I think they're like two years out for builds.

Sounds about right.

I think.

Because who in the world... Like, here's the deal. When you have world records for three of the five generations of Vipers, you're going to be busy.

Exactly.

And you know what?

He puts out a good product.

He puts out an amazing product. Having been in those cars, or a car, I guess, I haven't been in all of them, which would be cool to go out. You know what I'd love to do? I'd love to get a ride in the six-speed ones. That would be cool.

So early on, I rode in Mud Truck when it was six-speed and that was a riot. And then we were racing a car at the time. I saw that. Yeah. Philip doesn't own it anymore. I believe it's added like a lot now.

Yeah, I forgot.

Cosmo Motors or something equivalent to that.

I can't remember the dealership off the top of my 300 grand though, right?

250.

Dude, for that car, I think it's listed with 2,600 horsepower. That car is a steal at that price point.

I think Phillips had it listed for like 350 or close to 400 initially.

I think there was another white one that was sold too, so I'm not sure. But I think you might be right. But either way, I think I might be getting builds confused too.

Probably a calvo car that you saw.

I don't get the calvo cars confused, that's for sure.

Like every Enth motor car that sells is like under the table, it seems. It's never posted for sale.

95% of the time.

Phil's car is the first one I've seen posted for sale.

Yeah, because the thing is, is all the customers from Enth motor are happy. It's ridiculous because they put out an amazing product. They keep their cars forever or it goes to another potential customer or somebody that wants a second one.

Right. Yeah. What was his name? Will? Not Will. Will's in Texas. Rich in Chicago. He had that gray gen five like that car went to 458 destroyer. That's what is that?

The kind of one thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so 458 has been posting on Instagram for months now. He's got like the voodoo to whatever. When you get into the super niche specs, I'm not sure.

Right.

But like a crazy spec viper. I don't know. I could speculate. I want to say he owned a tech company.

Okay.

But I take that with an absolute grain of salt when.

So no one knows who he is. No one knows his name. You know, it's all very locked down. And when Aaron did that deal with Rich and him, Aaron tagged him on Facebook and I saw it and like it was gone. You know, like when you like pull up Instagram and it's like, don't disclose anything now.

Careful.

And it's like, you know, something from four hours ago, but it's like something really good. And then like you go to scroll up and it refreshes your feed.

I saw that meme today, too. Yeah.

It was like that. It's like, Oh, I wish I knew what the guy's name was.

That's the worst. Yeah. Somebody posted a meme about that today on Instagram. And it's like, yeah, you just open it for a split second and it's like, Oh, I actually want to check this. Gone.

Right.

It's like, but no, those cars are something, man.

It's just the best. You know, I've called him so primate that car that they were putting five people in. I called Aaron. I was like, what do you do when you build a car for someone and it breaks every time they drive it? You know, is it my fault? Is it their fault?

Yeah.

And I told him the scenario after I found out there's five people in it. And he's like, yeah, that needs a turbo 400 or a billet six speed, like a six XD. He's like the T fifth because Vipers come with T 56 is he's like, it won't take the power at all, especially the weight. So apparently, it's the weight that kills the Viper trans interesting. The Vipers are heavy.

Yeah, especially when you start throwing a cage in them and all that. Yeah, that makes okay. That makes sense.

Especially like Adam's cage. That thing is beautiful, dude. Well, yeah, like my cage in my car is very nice. Like you can't fit a credit card between panels, but this is super hidden and it's nice.

Tell you, man, there's something to be said for quality. But yeah, no, I mean, we'll see what happens after Texas 2K. I'm not like basically like certain guests that we have on this podcast, like it comes down to like when works for you, right? Because like we have a lot of shop owners on right. You know, at the end of the day, like you guys get your own bills to pay, you know, builds to finish and customers to take care of. So like, you know, with Texas 2K, literally in two or three weeks, like if you don't have time for a lot, I'd be surprised if I even get a text back from him for the next four months.

Is rat bringing cars down or are they just spectating?

I think a few of their customers might go down, but I don't think they're officially going.

Yeah, I know. I think Becca is going.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. I've been messaging her. I'm going to get them on the podcast at some point. They're up in your neck of the woods, right?

They are South Dakota.

South Dakota. Sioux Falls, same thing.

Which seems like they should be close, but yeah, it's ours. You hop on I-29, you set the cruise, go to sleep.

Well, that's just that you can set the cruise at 90.

Yeah.

As soon as you hit South Dakota, it's like 80 miles an hour the whole way.

I'd consider moving to South or North Dakota. That's...

North Dakota's awesome. South Dakota's warmer.

Yeah.

And less wind.

No, I've done some jobs like in Grand Rapids. And, oh my God, I used to do satellites. And so like I'm on the roof, it's January. The wind is like 80 miles an hour and it's 1400 below. And there's a little bit of snow in the air. It's like, oh my God.

My first year in Fargo. So like I moved there in October. Like, so just going in a winter, I about fist fought every door I touched, trying to get a door open with the wind. Yeah. It's insane.

Once you get past St. Cloud, it's just like desert. Right. The wind is nonstop.

Yeah. Like we, I used to come back in like my first year of business, I was down and back like every weekend. And then like, now that we have our clientele up there, it's like, oh, I'm so glad I'm not making that drive in the winter anymore. There are two cars on the trailer and an ice storm. You know, it's like, this is sketchy, not good.

Dude, you know, I kind of like this little area of Minnesota though, right? Cause like, whenever I come back from Texas is going through Iowa or, you know, the Dakotas, right? I don't know what it is. Like it's just, yes, we might get more snow up here or something time to time, but I feel like the climate is just a little nicer, like a little more tolerable. Cause like you get those winds, like in Iowa, I could not even open the door.

I was terrible.

Yeah.

I like Omaha a lot.

Okay.

Omaha is super nice. Have you guys been to I-29, like ice cream cruise or anything like that?

No, I've been following that one. I've been wanting to go try it.

Ice cream cruise is fun. You guys should do that. Yeah. But it's like right on the border of Omaha. Beautiful area. And there's cars everywhere.

It's a very big car scene. What's the Iowa city that's right in that area too?

Sioux. Sioux city.

Sioux city. Yeah. I like that. It's a cool little town too.

Very cool with the river running through.

Yeah.

They have like a hard rock hotel and stuff downtown.

Yeah. It's a nice place.

Every time we drive by, it's like, oh, we should stay the night. And then it's like, I'm not staying here.

Yeah. Just finish the drive.

Yeah. We're only an hour away from where we need to be. I'm not stopping.

And we just put a bunch of quick trips into Sioux Falls area there.

Apparently there's some coming. Yeah.

You're getting some.

Yeah. Yeah.

I can send you the dates of when you're getting what and what's opening if you want.

Okay. Quick trip rocks.

Yeah.

I'm just excited for Buc-ee's to come in Wisconsin.

Yeah. I saw that.

It's getting closer.

Buc-ee's is odd. Buc-ee's is.

I wonder if the employees are gonna be as nice though.

I doubt it.

I'm so doubtful. Cause that's the thing, like once you start getting, you know, a certain, what is it? Longitude?

If they're getting their employees from Madison or Beloit, they're f*****.

Yeah. Hopefully they're pulling from like the Hudson side.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah, dude. That's going to be a, cause like whenever you go down south to a Buc-ee's, they're the kindest people.

We've been to a Buc-ee's during TX2K. Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Wild.

Dude.

Fascinating.

Well, I'm in some of the group chats in preparation for TX2K. And it's like, some people are asking like, where's everything going to be? And like, everybody's just like, go to the nearest Buc-ee's near the track. You have to go from there.

Right.

It's going to be a wild year, man. I talked to some locals.

This year is going to be interesting with it being in Dallas.

Yeah. I talked to some locals down there and they said it's hotter than... Houston. Houston. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently it's not as good of a loop system or something. I don't know.

It's very congested.

Really?

Like super congested. Like, yeah, in Dallas is terrible. It took us... The track was like 18 miles from where we stayed, and it took us like an hour and 15 minutes to get there.

Do you have any fun Texas 2K stories? Have you been?

I've been twice. Twice. First time was... I wanted to go really bad. My buddy, Nick White, Whitey, I don't know if you guys know him. He's got a single cab, short box Chevy. And it's been through a bunch of different stages. But at the time it was turbo, auto, and like at 20 pounds, it would spit a rod, like immediately. And we're down. So I call him, I'm like, Hey, do you want to go to TX2K? I'll drive, I'll get the hotel. But like, we need a car, you know, can we bring your truck? And he's like, yeah, absolutely. So we load that up like three days before, go down and night one, we're racing Mustangs and vets, and we're kicking a** and I'm looking at his boost gauge and it's like 1920, 21, 1920, 21. And I'm like, hey, when does this thing usually break? He's like, oh, 20 pounds, it's done. Turn this thing down, it's night number one, you know? Gonna ruin our trip, you know? But no, it lasted all weekend long. And then he came back up here and he took a guy for a ride and he blew it up because the cold weather up here. Yeah, I made like an extra two pounds of boost.

I'm a little nervous for Caleb. He's got, he's on a fresh build, isn't he too? He's like barely had any, he said he was gonna go out and try and make some hits.

I'm surprised he didn't send our text to the group chat. I'll give you some updates. Let's just say it's TX2K crunch time. You know how it goes.

I was gonna move the GT500 into the shop today and I didn't get around to it.

Are you bringing that?

Yeah.

Cool.

I have a bunch of stuff I bought from V&P over Black Friday.

Yeah.

I'm not gonna, I'm so scared of.

Did you change your stuff or?

I did the race core, the lid.

You did the billet lid?

Yeah.

Nice.

So a bunch of, no, not the billet lid. I did the one that's the gray that is same color as the other one. I wanted to have it big, like have it look stock. Like even if I do a build on it, I'll do a joker's ported blower, all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, that's what I did on that most recent one.

Yeah, but I'm so scared. That's such a, like that was already a big deal for me, that car, and with the drivetrain being the $35,000 drivetrain, I'm like, God, it scares the s*** out of me. I've already blown a couple cars up, and I'm like, damn it. So it's, when I go to Texas 2K, it's gonna stay stock. I might throw my cold air intake on it and just go down, but I'm concentrating on cooling mods first, and then I'll start turning it up.

Heat exchanger and inner cooler goes a long way with them. That one that I just did, we did a seven gallon trunk tank. It sucks.

I did the VMP tank. Well, what I didn't realize is, so I was like, cool, I'm gonna get an ice tank. I didn't know that the coolant flowed through the tank. So like the ice gets-

Pretty much like a swirl pump.

Right, but then when the ice melts, it goes into your stuff. I thought that it was like you put ice in it and it had like a radiator, right? And the s*** went through there and the ice kept it cool. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'm gonna do all this. That means I'm definitely flushing all of that out and making sure that I get antifreeze. Yeah.

Cause it gets full, it gets low, it gets-

So I have the VMP under the hood one. I'm thinking, I'm not gonna go do major hits with it. I like to do road track stuff. So like that's gonna be, and I thought I'm just gonna freeze some of those like water bottles, and then maybe I'll just chuck them in the thing. And that way if I'm going out and doing a couple of sessions, set, man, I can't talk. Sessions.

He's getting excited.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, if I go to some runs, whatever, I would just throw a few of those in and maybe that would cool it. But I think just the larger capacity, I'm gonna do a bigger heat exchanger, all that kind of stuff, I think will help anyway.

On the carbon fiber, when you do your heat exchanger, you have to pull, there's a panel. There's like a little guard. Okay. We could not get his in. And then it was Palm Beach Dino's new.

That's the one I've been looking at.

It's big.

Is it?

And it won't fit unless you pull this little panel out. And like the car that I was working on had 110 miles, carbon fiber track pack, heritage blue, like the ideal car. So it's like, I'm trying not to do anything wrong on this thing. And it's like, man, it won't go. And I called Ken and he's like, yeah, you gotta pull that panel out. So remember that. Okay.

I got a little dizzy when you said it's big, it won't fit. What'd you say?

Yeah, right. The intercooler, it's like twice the size of the stock one or the heat exchanger. Yeah.

Sponsored by Bluch. No.

Yeah. So I went, I'm moving up to all one inch lines, all that stuff.

Yeah, we did three quarter on his.

Okay.

But we did a tank.

And then I'm also adding, so I'm doing the tank in the there. I haven't bought the heat exchanger yet. So I'm gonna do that. And then I also have the added the Whipple pump.

Okay.

So I'm gonna do two pumps.

Nice.

Just keep that flowing good.

Yeah. Is the, you're doing a under hood tank?

Yes.

Got it.

That's good. I didn't want to do all that s*** to the rear and.

The amount of lines that I, cause we did a full fuel system, plus the water lines, like trying to fit, cause I try to hide everything under those black panels.

Yeah, that's the other thing. That whole underneath of that car is plastic.

Yeah.

So it's.

Yeah. I got it all in there. I had to cut a little bit, but it looks really good, but it was a lot of work.

Yeah. I'm cool with it just being under there. And again, I don't have like a 2000 horsepower like goal for this thing. You know, if I could get four figures, that'd be cool. I'm going to really ease my way up into that one.

Are you doing a fuel system?

I wasn't going to right away anyway. Is that, will you guys just swap out for a four? Is it already?

Yeah, four system.

That's what I have in my orange car now, and I like it.

Yeah, four is the best.

I do not like, what's nice about the GT 500 is I don't know how they do the pickup, but you can run that thing down to almost no gas, and they'll still get and go pretty quick. My orange car, once it gets under like quarter tank, if I go to hit it, it'll go, oh, I'm like, oh s***. Yeah, time to get gas.

So like, I was so shocked when my car was stock ECU turbo, I had just done a fuel system in it, and my gauge was showing like half a tank. I'd get after it, and the car would like pop and shut up. Like it wouldn't shut off, but it was to go into limp mode.

Yep.

Pull over, restart it, turn on, runs great. Like what was that? It was the stock ECU, noticing that I was running out of fuel and shutting the car down.

Oh really?

So stock Ford ECU saving an engine. Pretty impressive. So my fuel level hanger was hanging up on the crossover. So I thought I had a half tank, and it was empty, and I'm trying to make hits.

That is, it's like hitting the, what it was happening to me is it's like when you get, like the traction control. You know, it like, there's a pull power from the engine a little bit. Yeah, so that's exactly what was going on in mine. So yeah, I just make sure I keep her full.

Exactly. Anything over a half. I keep mine full like as much as I can.

Well, I tried to, but when I first learned that lesson, it also one of my first times on a track was I guess I didn't realize that I can drive almost all day in my car or go for three or four hours, and it's no big deal. Even playing around a little bit, I know I can stop and get gas. When you're on the track, that's not how that works. I was going around, I did like three or four laps, I'm going along. It's been like maybe a few hours of me racing, and then all of a sudden I'm like, what the hell? And I looked down, I had no gas, right? Oh s***, yeah, maybe.

Yeah, like I said, at Power Cruise, we went through like six tanks of fuel.

Really?

Yeah, it was insane.

I would do that.

It was totally stock.

Road America, 30 minute session, full tank of gas, all the way down to eat.

Really?

Yep. When I be pulling off, when they hit the flag and I pull off, the fuel light comes on. Yeah. And then I look and it's...

I suppose the road course, you're getting after it constantly.

But in North America especially, there's those long straights, things like that where your pedal, I mean, the floor, it's to the floor.

It's a fast track.

Yeah.

Power Cruisers, you get to floor it twice per stop. So, yeah, you guys should go to that.

It's a really good time. I'm gonna go home tonight and look up.

We did, last year, I rented a RV. I drove that. My fiance drove our X3. And then this, it was like 800 bucks. And then you had to pay for fuel. And it was like an 80 gallon tank. So it was like a thousand bucks. Pleasure Land in Brainerd, for a thousand bucks, they will go put a camper on your lot that you rent.

Oh really?

You show up to it and leave. So I'm doing that this year.

Okay.

Then you don't have to drive the camper all the way out there.

Well, I bought a pickup truck camper this year that I wanna kind of like deck out for the back of my truck. And I can pull my 28 foot race trailer.

Nice.

I wanna do some traveling and do some stuff like that. So I've been playing around with rigs and stuff. What I want is not one of those crazy f****** diesel trucks, but why can't they take like those class C campers, right, that they're not crazy big, like maybe a 32 footer, that already are on that super duty chassis.

Why can't they put a 6.7 in it? It's all gas.

99% of them have that 6.2 in them.

Yeah, or a V10.

Or the V10. And I'm like, I just have a freaking power stroke in this son of a b****. It should be super easy.

Right. Yeah, that one we rented was a V10. And it's like, I'm driving, watching the gas gauge go down.

It's horrible.

On an 80 gallon tank.

And then you want to tow a car trailer behind that, and that's gonna just kill it.

No way.

No. So that's what I'm on the hunt for. It's kind of a unicorn without, and I want one from like, you know, 2015. I went to PRI. I looked at those ones that are 100, 200 grand. Not that cool.

With no options.

Yeah, exactly.

We'll get you a Cybertruck. It's fine.

I've seen a couple of them in the live now.

That's so expensive.

I'll have to screw that thing. You know, that rusty piece of s***.

Careful. You remember last time what happened?

Well, yeah, that's right.

There's one in Fargo, and I guess the guy works for Tesla, and he's like testing the climate up there.

He's usually supposed to test before you launch it. Like Rivian. We remember seeing trucks up here in Minnesota. They test them in Northern Minnesota.

My buddy Larry is an engineer for Rivian. Yeah. A kid I went to high school with. Oh, cool.

That's why they don't have any issues, I'm guessing.

Right. Rivians are great. I like them a lot.

You know, they're all right. They've grown on me.

Yeah. I like the headlights.

I don't like.

No?

Yeah, I don't like that round headlight thing.

You don't like it? It looks like a pig nose.

No, my wife likes them, but.

It's distinct.

It is. I understand that, yeah, it's kind of a neat deal, but.

Speaking of distinguishable, f*** all of these different companies making their headlights look just like the cop lights.

Yeah.

Because like the explorers or whatever, they have like the yellow on top, and now like everybody else is starting to do that. And I'm just seeing you're looking like squinting, especially in the dark. And I got tanned, and it's like, hmm. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Yeah, I've never had a Fuddist Buster or anything like that.

They're amazing.

I know.

Mine has paid for itself through and through.

Like anytime I get in a customer car and they have one, it's like, okay, sweet.

Yeah.

This is awesome.

You got to pony up like $400 to get a nice one. Right. But there, I guarantee you, it pays for itself.

Right. That the guy with the C8 that's blown up, he has like the Valentine red or black or whatever. It's like 700 bucks.

Yeah.

He's like, it will catch anything. So apparently it'll even do like sky, like plane and.

Oh really?

Yeah.

Yeah. Minos tell me like where all the red light cameras are, the, and all that stuff too.

Nice. Do they do that here?

There's one certain city in Iowa that I roll through that I've got some tickets on.

Kind of stupid city.

In Chicago, they were always out there. Yeah. They lived out there.

It's the best thing after rallies, by the way, is when people are coming back and they pass through Iowa and then the speed cameras get them.

Yeah.

And then they're like, oh, you're, this is a expense by the rally, right? I'm like, no.

I've heard that technically it's not a police sanctioned thing. It's actually a third party company that does it.

Really?

So I've heard that if you just call them and say, hey, this wasn't me, f****** prove it, they just go, oh, well, I guess this guy's smarted up, yeah.

I mean, if anybody wants to try that, let me know.

So I went to UTI in Chicago, and a guy that I knew had graduated like five years prior. And he was, I don't know if it was true, cause I know that they like take, you know, every 10 people that don't pay the tolls. You know, they let most of them through, but he was like, yeah, if you do 130 under the, you know, like through the toll, he's like, the camera can't catch it. You're too far out. Yeah. I have no idea if that's true or not.

I think there was a Mythbusters episode, or no, it wasn't Mythbusters. I think it might've been, I think somebody recently did a video on this. I can't remember what the cutoff is, but I think nowadays the newer cameras are so fast anyway.

Wouldn't it be funny if like they could tell your distance, you know, like the average car is right here.

Yeah, took a picture here and here.

You're way up here, so you were doing X amount of miles an hour.

So now you have to pay toll and you got a ticket. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I can't remember. One of my friends down in Chicago, actually, I think he was passing, hopefully I get the story correct, but he was passing through Indy. And I remember they were on one side of the state to the next side of the state. So you got pulled over in the, like on the bottom half of Indiana, and he got pulled over again towards the top half, and they compared the times on the tickets.

Really?

And they were like, there's no f****** way you're going to speed limit. Yeah, because then they were going like 90 or 100 the whole way, like to the state. Yeah.

I never even thought of that.

Yeah, I should hit him up about that story. That's one of the people I want to have back on, or have on the podcast when I go down to Chicago. He had like this seven, 800 horsepower V. You know, I was on corn. It was a crazy sounding car. It was one of my favorite sounding cars up until that point. Just crazy.

I've been like, I don't know, your systems must be off. I don't think I should get either ticket.

So I was in Florida.

It ain't daylight savings, m***********.

Yeah, I had brought my car to Florida to dino it. My tuner was down there at the time. This is when it made 1475 or something on his dino. And it's like, cool, I'm in Florida. I'm gonna go drive my car around. And I got on the highway and I'm like Facebook live, you know, like, oh, driving my car, you know, all you guys are stuck in the winter. And everyone's like, make a hit, make a hit. I'm like, okay. And I like do a U-turn. I get off on an exit, do a U-turn, and get back on the highway. And I was following this black Explorer, like onto the highway and my brother comments and he's like, that's a cop in front of you. And so I sped up and like made eye contact with the two dudes in the car. And they were like in polos, they had a custom Tampa Bay plate. Like this isn't a cop. So I slowed down to like 30 and made a hit past him. They clocked me at 165, flying past him. So immediately after I slowed down, you know, I'm cruising 65 again. And yeah, he comes up, lights me up. I'm like, holy s***, I'm going to jail, I'm dead. And so I pull over, by the time I pull over, they were behind me and two other cops blocked me. So then they walk up to me and they're like, what are you doing? And I was like, I don't have an answer. You know, this is stupid. And I had my gun on me. And I paid for all the Florida permit stuff, but I don't know what happened. And yeah, so I had a legal gun on me. Long story short, I got a bunch of warnings, but yeah, it was scary, terrifying. I thought my life was over.

Oh man.

Well, especially like if they had a custom plate, because usually the plates say police or something, right?

Exactly. Dude, they had the Tampa Bay flag, you know, like the football team.

Have, you know, like you said, the polos or whatever. It's like two dudes. You know, the computer is usually a giveaway, but it's like-

Yeah, there is none of that.

Can you imagine what they were thinking?

Well, that's what he's like. We thought that you were gonna keep going. I was like, no, this thing would explode if I maintained, you know, 180 or whatever the hell. But yeah, as soon as I saw the lights, it was like, my life is over.

Yeah. Well, it's like, especially if it's an area you don't know, it's like running isn't even an option.

Right.

Like, you know, around here, I could get away.

Right.

I have, but it's like, yeah, in Florida, I would never chance it. Like you just-

They had, like I said, they had two other squads there before I was even pulled over. You know, it was, it was wild.

Do you have one or two parachutes?

One.

You have one currently? How much does a car weigh?

34, 50 with a piano.

Cause I think the, I think you had to start getting two parachutes at 4,000 pounds.

Or 200 miles an hour.

Is it either or or both?

I know for sure 200 miles an hour.

Yeah.

I'm not sure about weight. A lot of the shoots are weight based.

Yeah.

So like a 430 is for a heavy car. Like a 410 is for like an Evo. So there's different sizes, but once you get up to 200, you need dual.

What does the 430 mean? Is it like a 4.3 number probably?

Yeah. Like their small ones are 410s, 420s, 430s. I don't know if they go bigger than that.

Is it kind of like how like cages are like, you know, like a 650, 850 cage sort of like classing?

25, 325, 5.

Interesting. Okay.

What's the shoot cost? Just out of curiosity. I've never even.

500?

Yeah.

Yeah. I was, I know the GM at Stroud and he sent me a brand. So when mine got wrapped up on the car, it got destroyed. And they sent me a brand new one.

Oh, nice.

So I was like, thanks guys.

That's scary, dude. How long did it take for the car to stop?

Dude, it was covered in the windshield. Like it was black inside the car. I was like, okay, I'm dead. You know? And then, so another thing for people, practice getting out of your car in an emergency. I messed that up so bad. Like smoke was billowing out of under the hood because I didn't know the motor blew up. And I thought it was on fire from spinning around and whatnot. And I unbuckled and I didn't even drop my window net. I like snaked my way out between my net and my steering wheel, which is like this much room, got stuck. Like had to go back in, drop my net, get back out. And it was terrible, practice that.

That's well. What was the smoke from then?

Everything hit my headers.

Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That's scary, dude.

It was bad.

Well, I've been practicing in my sim rig how to get out quickly.

You got to grab another Mountain Dew or something. I got to get out of here.

Right.

You will never catch me drinking Mountain Dew, dude. F*** that. I cleaned the car with Mountain Dew. The head tree sap, 10 year old tree sap. Nothing worked.

Like an activator?

Dude, Mr. Clean didn't work. None of the s*** I got from Target, bleach, nothing worked. Mountain Dew cleaned that f***** right up.

That's like Coke will take rust off on it. Yeah.

I've heard that.

Yeah, you will never. It doesn't miss Myth Busters one.

Yeah, I'm a water only guy. I'll stick with that. But no, it's funny, because I just tried to see how quick I can get out. Because okay, so the reason that that bothers me is because I went for a ride along at SEMA with Von Ginn Jr. and the Mustang or whatever, right? And I remember I was getting in, and I f****** bonked my head with the helmet against it. I'm like, I know it's a race car, but I feel bad. I was like, oh man, is there a way that we can make this better? So I've been trying to strengthen the muscles that get me out of bucket seats. So.

Getting out of buckets or cookies or whatever is tough.

Well, it's like, you guys are under six feet.

I can't even get out of my f****** GT 500. Have you ever seen that video of that old man that gets out of his Ford GT, and he basically rolls onto the floor of the shop and then climbs up? That's me already.

Well, it's like, you guys are under six foot. I think you're under six foot too, right?

Way under, yeah.

Yeah, it's like, guys, I got a lot of mass. Like even though, like, I mean, I'm a fairly heavy guy, but I don't look heavy, which, you know, works to my disadvantage, unfortunately, sometimes. But like, I'm like, man, I gotta get these big a** legs out from under there.

I'm so short that we were looking at the data logs, and when I let off the trans break, my throttle was coming back to like 70%.

Your body was sliding back?

Yeah, and my seats, I have these brackets in it, and they can't go forward anymore. So I have a two by four ziptied to my gas pedal.

Are you serious? That's like on my kid's go-kart, I got a two by four ziptied to the gas pedal.

It's hilarious, because I didn't tell anyone, and we got to ice cream cruise, or not ice cream cruise, whatever, I-29 last year. And I opened my door to hop in, and Zach Lawrence is standing there, and he's like, what's on your gas pedal? And I was like, oh, don't, I slammed the door. I'm like, don't worry about that. And he opens it and starts Snapchatting it. Hey, whatever makes you win.

Right?

I can't believe that. Short people problems.

Phone book on the seat, yeah.

Yeah, it's like I either got to do something with the back of the seat, but that doesn't seem safe, you know?

No, I do like when they brought out those adjustable pedals in a lot of the cars now, too. So that's great. It's my super duty. I can put my seatway back like I want.

Exactly, and then bring the pedals and the wheel back.

Yeah, that's all there is. Any other custom mods we should know about?

Yeah, not offhand. The weight bar was the biggest help for my car. Putting weight in the back of it for no prep. It's really about it. Nitrous, if you can't get it to spool.

How big of a shot you running in there?

None right now. If I have to, I'll just do like a dry shot 50.

Okay.

Just to wick it up on the trans.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

But then like I talked to a bunch of guys and they're like, well, once you spray it on the brake, you might as well just spray it through the whole run. Yeah, that sounds great.

You run the risk of melting the whole the inside of your engine that way.

I'm scared just to spray it on the brake, you know? Have it not shut off or something.

Speak to the reliability of that build.

Is it?

Yeah, cause like, you know, I learned about this recently. It's like certain cars that are built for, you know, whatever 2000 horsepower, you can expect to get 10 full hits on them or 20 or whatever. What does your kind of build? Like, what do you expect?

I would say at every level my car has been at, it's been extremely reliable for the most part. Like when I lived here, we would go out Thursday nights, Monday nights, the entire weekend. Like I'd go put 200 miles on the car in a night, roll racing, and it took everything. So it's very reliable. Me and Deanne, my fiancee, we were just talking about it last week, I think, and I was telling her I would hop in my car and drive to Florida, no problem. It would be loud and uncomfortable.

Forward podcast brought to you by Coyote.

The Coyote is king. They're tough to beat.

You put sleeves in it. That's like its only real limitation, I would say.

Like everyone giving Brett s*** for having a predator block, it's the same exact thing. It's just got a little more metal in it.

So then, how many, I guess, hits or runs can you probably do before you have to refresh everything?

It's kind of relevant. Like I change my oil once a month, no matter how much I drive it or whatever. My current engine that's in the car probably has 40 hits on it, and a lot of street miles. The biggest thing that I've noticed with built coyotes is oil pressure issues at idle, hot. So like every built engine I've had, 17 pounds of oil pressure hot at idle. It's like, s***, that's scary. Because on the first one, it was down to like 12, and it didn't have enough to feed the heads, and it ate the heads up. Now I just keep my idle at like 1100 to keep some pressure in it.

Okay.

That's really the only thing.

Even my GT500 I look at, I'm like, God, that seems low.

Cold starts at like 120. And it does that every time. Like my car, cold, 105 to 120. As soon as it gets hot, as soon as the oil gets hot, it's like 17 to 25.

You're running to 550 in it?

Yeah. Yeah. 2050 Schaffer's.

Okay.

So I either do that or 550 Motorcraft.

Okay.

Seems to work pretty well.

Yeah, I have a friend of mine that worked for Redline for a while. Okay. So I use that stuff, he's got me on it.

You guys had him, Tim?

Yeah, Tim. Yeah, Tim DeCesaro.

I met him eight years ago, seven years ago. I built a rear end for him and then did something. And yeah, he gave me a piston.

Yeah, I've got one too.

Do you?

Yeah, yeah. There was like a promotional thing he did for something. Yeah.

Yeah, it's got Redline etched in the top of it. It's out of a, who was the team that he was with?

I can't remember.

Joe, Jetty? Coletti, Coletti.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what it was.

It's Eddie, I got you.

Something Eddie.

Yeah, Eddie. No, he's, he's a-

He is a good dude.

Yeah, no, I met him at, this is really funny. We were in the same Mustang club, and we sat down and went to one of these things where he was cruising. We went to lunch or whatever, and I sat down next to him, and he's just started chatting to me as Tim does. You know, he likes to talk. And we found out we're both from Hudson. So yeah, I hang out with him. Him and I will go down and have breakfast, probably at least once or twice a month.

He's like, and he's old. He's on Facebook and stuff, you know.

He's always active on Facebook.

Yeah, he's always liking my posts and stuff.

He's been kicked out of a bunch of the Hudson groups because he also doesn't, I mean, he says what he's thinking. Right. Which is what we're all thinking. We just don't say it.

Exactly. Yeah, that's like, ever since starting the business, like my trolling has deceased. Like, you can't anymore.

No.

But like, when I was living here, like the rumor was that my dad owned Ecolab. And like that he paid for everything. And if my car broke, that like, it'd be fixed the next day because it's unlimited money and all this stuff. And it was just ridiculous. But I would like ride it out. Like I was sitting in traffic one day and I had my window down to my truck and a dude rolls up and he's like, nice truck or whatever. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, you'd have a nice one too if your dad owned Ecolab. And he stopped. He goes, is your name Joe? And I was like, yeah. And just rolled the window up.

Yeah.

It was a big rumor for a long time.

Where'd the rumor start?

One of my coworkers. We were working late. It was like eight o'clock at the dealership and a salesman had came back. And he's like, oh, good to see you guys, working hard and blah, blah, blah. And trying to like belittle us a little bit. And Dimmick, the guy working next to me was like, yeah, I need the money, but Joe's just here for the benefits. His dad's rich, he owns Ecolab. Now stop what I'm doing and look over and it's like, what? And he's like, just go with it. It's ever since then. Yeah, that ended like 2020. When I moved, it ended.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not gonna start this again somewhere else.

Your dad sold the company, it wasn't worth sticking around.

Yeah. But I get snaps three days a week of like buddies downtown, casetas or wild games, taking pictures of the building. Thanks Joe's dad. Yeah, my buddy Ryan went on Wikipedia and edited the CEO, or like the biggest shareholder or whatever as Joe's dad. Yeah, it was up for like five hours. Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, the only rumor that I ever had about me was the first, I wanna say, Land in 10,000 Lakes rally. So my buddy, I had to take his GTR for the rally because he's supposed to be my driver for media, but that didn't work out. So I had to find my own driver to bring his GTR still, who was his detailer at the time. So him and I just traded positions. Once we ran out of space for me to take photos, I just drove the car. And I was familiar with the car, so I drove the f****** wheels off of it. And, but anyways, I got pulled over for passing on the right or whatever in a small town. Okay, we stirred up the hornet's nest. The problem with rallies, right, is if you get a lot of people who have an ego, they want to prove something, civic boys. You know, listen, I love my city. Gotta get there first. Yeah, well, it's like, and when people are trying to, like put it this way, if you have a 5.0 trying to compete against a Huracan, like, you know, this guy on a rally would probably be a menace, right? This is kind of what happened. So a lot of people stirred up the hornet's nest. Some people were passing on a shoulder or whatever. It's again, this is why I vet the people that go on my rallies, and that's why me and Balto partnered up, whatever. Oh, this is a whole different tangent. But anyways, the hornet's nest was pissed. Like we're talking, I think there was like 10 or 15 cars pulled over within like a five mile radius. Yeah, because it was like a hundred plus car rally or something like that, maybe 80, but either way. So got pulled over, guy's absolutely fuming. I managed to get him laughing by the end of it, which is fine. But like I had a bunch of things going through my head, right? I think the car, like everything was expired on the car, turn the tabs or everything. It smelled like weed, wasn't, but it smelled like it. I had my co-driver who was at the time, I think he was 17 or whatever, detailer, side hustle. Just a bunch of things. I think there was ammunition in the back, just all these things.

A bunch of red flags.

Right, well, it's like, again, I'm not used to getting pulled over at this point in my life, right? I think I was 19 at the time, whatever, 18 or 19. So I'm just like, this isn't a regular occurrence for me. Funny, I got pulled over in a different GTR the next year. But anyways, the rumor was, so I did a pull or whatever, maybe like three or four miles away, and my buddy recorded or whatever, I did like 150 or whatever. But somebody, so I told my brother that, and he told some kid from his school, no, no, some kid from his school was on the rally, and the rumor was that I got clocked doing 150, and that I pulled over. I'm like sitting here thinking, first of all, if I got clocked doing 150, I'm gonna keep going.

Everyone says that. I've never ran, I don't know about you guys. You think you said it.

You referred 20 minutes ago, I have. Allegedly. But it's like, yeah, I don't know if I would. And at least not up north, right? Cause like those counties are huge.

I think what you're driving is a huge factor as well.

Like I'm not running in my car.

I'm not making a turn, you know, it's going fast.

Here's a funny story to you.

Twin, triple, viper, probably gonna go for it, you know?

So speaking of red GTRs, right? So actually same friend, actually. So this was when he had his own GTR or whatever. It wasn't me driving it. Like he actually was driving out at night or whatever, just doing some hits or whatever. And he ran or whatever.

Suracha?

No, no. I don't know Mike like that or Sony, whatever he goes by. Yeah, but anyways, so he ran. And one of our buddies was at like a barbecue or whatever. And the fire chief was there. And apparently he's like, did you guys hear about the car chases last night? There was a Hellcat and an orange Corvette. It was a red GTR.

Oh, good to know. Yeah.

Yeah, so you can probably get away if you have a GTR because you have the same taillights. Oh, I suppose. Yeah, same looking taillights.

Absolutely, just the reds glurgles by.

Yeah, I mean, it's a fat pig on the back. Like dude, those GTRs are fat looking cars. But yeah, my storytelling skills aren't on point today, but those are some fun. That car is a blast, man. I miss that car.

Yeah.

Let's just put this.

If you roll the dice and you don't get away, that is a whole nother animal of b*******.

Yeah.

I am a big proponent of, even before like when I know I'm caught, like pull over, be nice, be honest. Like maybe don't tell them how fast you were going, because I've tried, they've tried to get me on that before too. And I'm like, I really have no idea. I was just concentrating on the road, blah, blah, blah. You're going to get yourself on a whole other level of felonies and b*******.

My buddy Josh was on a Hayabusa like way back 2007. And he was in, I think Hastings, Minnesota. And he made it to Hudson in like seven minutes. And he crossed into Hudson, or no, he got off at Bayport right before Hudson. And there was a chopper following him. And on the live, like, cause he's got the recording from the chopper. They're like, if as soon as he crosses over, like he's got, we're letting him go. He got off at Bayport.

And they went and got him.

He got in so much trouble. He didn't have a license for like three years.

Holy s***.

It's crazy.

It was nuts.

Is that before they had like the no chase laws for bikes?

Yeah. This was like 07, 08.

Cause I think the only introduced was like a decade ago or something. Which by the way, 2007, that's almost two decades ago, bro.

They don't chase bikes?

Depends on the state. I think some states, they still do.

I know Minnesota. They won't chase cars either.

Oh, really?

So that's at least what they were saying when we were. So we were at Street Machine Nationals last year, sitting in the lot. Harmar mall where everyone meets up and two cops came in and they have this box on the front of their car, like shoot stickies. So they will get close enough to you to shoot a sticky onto you and it tracks you. Then they back off.

Okay. So then you're f***** no matter what.

Exactly. Yeah. So you're getting caught one way or another. Yeah. I look at it.

I've talked to other friends too that like, you know, again, like a decade or two ago, you could run no problem.

You could do a lot of things. Yeah.

But it's a lot easier to get caught nowadays, you know, so you got to be smarter.

Thank you.

We'll talk more about where you do your hits. You see some of these guys that are out here weaving and practicing cutting up traffic.

Yeah, no way. Yeah, like when I test my car, there's a road like three blocks from my shop.

Don't you give yourself away.

It's good, it's three blocks away.

If he gets like two seconds out of town, that's all wide open nothing.

Well, that, and my shop's right by the airport, so there's all the noise up there anyways. So I'll go test on this street, like after 11 o'clock after the warehouse night shifts end. And we can sit there till like one in the morning with no issues.

Okay, so he just gave time, place. All right, so we're just gonna hop onto the PD website.

There's no rule on how fast you can get to 65 miles an hour, right?

That's true, fair enough.

Unnecessary acceleration, I think.

That is true, isn't it?

They'll get you, they'll get you for something.

That same with out where you've been to, we just had this conversation, you haven't been to Bowen shop, but yeah, he's like out in Waconia and it's all straight, flat. I'm sure he doesn't test any cars at all.

That's like, I feel bad for these guys. Having to test drive cars, where do you go?

Right?

On to the highway?

On to 394 and get right in traffic.

Right. Yeah, like when Brian was tuning our X3, we went, he's like, oh, go here. And then he's like, make sure you get after it and then get on the brakes, because we got to turn. It's like, this sucks.

Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, it's cool knowing where some people street tune.

But yeah, up by me, it's wide open. Test drives are awesome. So much easier.

Yeah, I'm curious to see how Texas 2K goes, man. That one, it's gonna be interesting. I'm just riding shotgun with this guy. Like, you know, he's got kids to get back to, so I'm gonna stick with him. Caleb doesn't have kids. I might do one ride with him and call it a day.

That car is gonna be fast. He's gonna need a little seat time.

Yeah. Well, he'll have almost all of four minutes before we take off. It's gonna be kind of crazy because we're gonna have my 36 foot gooseneck nice hooked to mine. And then the my Mystic Chrome GT 500 and his ZR1 on a trailer.

Is yours Mystic Chrome?

Yeah.

Cool.

So yeah, I wrapped it. So a friend of ours, Jamie, Don Dipworks in Chippewa Falls. Yeah.

Cool.

So yeah, it's like, what was it called? Like a liquid wrap.

Yeah, it's a liquid wrap, but it's like high-end automotive paint. But I can peel it off in five years.

So is it like Plasti Dip?

Yeah, it is, and he hates it when I say it's a fancy form of Plasti Dip, but yeah, it's, I mean, I can cut it, buff it. I mean, it's-

Really?

Yeah, it's insane. And it looks good.

Yeah, it looks really good.

My fiance, when we met, she had a Plasti Dip Trans Am with his teal, like bright teal, white wheels. And it's like, we should paint this, you know, like this color. And yeah, she picked an awesome color. It's got like, it's almost like illusion. Like it'll go from purple to gold to teal. It's all over the place.

What year is the Trans Am?

A one, I believe.

I've been looking at old Trans Ams.

Okay. She's got an old one too, like a 70s, 80s.

Yeah. I'm just saying, if I ever get money, I'm gonna act the fool. Dude, you're gonna see the biggest f****** mustache. Dude, some of my friends, dude, some of my cop friends, that I look at them and I'm just like, I look at them, like their genetics were just designed for it. They just got the most kick a** mustache. The cop mustache is a real deal, dude.

I'm trying to think, I don't think my buddy Kyle, the guy who's a carver sponsor and he's a cop, and I don't think he's ever had a mustache.

That's a shame. I know some of those guys have to be clean shaven too.

What's that?

I think it depends, I think some of those guys have to be clean shaven as well, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think you could be running around with a huge beard.

Depends, I think, right?

I think I'd be worried about someone grabbing it.

Yeah, I think that's where it stands. Right?

Yeah.

Yeah, well, this is short enough. You can't really grab that. Like, you and I are all right in that front.

Yeah.

I don't know. What the hell were we talking about before? There was a good tangent we were on before we started talking about cop mustaches.

We were talking about Plassey Dip and wrapped cars and all that kind of stuff.

No, that's right, we were talking about Texas 2K before that too. So yeah, no, dude, like, cause Caleb hasn't driven a fast car in a minute. Cause he's just been, I think he's been driving that Passat or whatever.

Yeah. When before that, he had about an STI?

He's had a bunch of different cars. Like he had a Trackhawk.

He had a GT500 for a little while, he told me. Like the 0709.

That dude's gone through so many cars, but again, it's like, you know, he has been getting that C7 build for fricking ever. So I don't know what else he had before that. That was fast.

Right. Didn't he have a SRT8 Jeep, too?

I think he's had an SRT8, too, as well. I don't know. It's hard to keep track with some of these people.

I want to say that he blew one of those up and had to put an engine in it. I think so.

I don't know. I can't keep it. Yeah, I don't know. He may have brought that up when we were getting pizza. Dude, black sheep pizza. I'm thinking about that. It's so good right now. But no, my point being, it's like, man, like I went from driving my car like a baby for like two months, and it's like, you know, finally getting on it again. And it's like, I know this isn't a lot of horsepower, but this is surprisingly quick. So what is it gonna be when you go from 100 horsepower Passat to whatever, 1000 horsepower, zero one?

That's like, you know, the winter blues. Like, thankfully this year, like it's been awesome. So we've been tuning cars all winter long. But before this, like March hits, and you get a bolt on Z06 in that you're tuning, like this thing's fast, you know, cause you haven't been in anything in six months.

It's so weird how we get accustomed to speed, right? Do you have any other fun projects that you've done recently before we kind of taper down?

Personal wise, we have, we have DeAnne's Trans Am, we have the X3M that's full bolt on, Brian tuned.

Quality.

Dude, it's a riot. It's highly recommended. And then I got a 83 wagon with an LS. It's dirty, it's ratty. The Mustang, I had a Fox body that I just sold recently. Not a ton. It works been so busy that you're working on your own stuff. Like just pulling my turbo kit off the other day was like, you've got to work on this thing. Anytime you're not getting paid to do your job, it kind of sucks.

And what about customer cars? Anything fun on that front?

I'm trying to get out of the builds.

I know you did a Urus recently, like a stage two or something?

That was a tune filters, down pipes, minimal, but still fun.

Probably like what, how much wheel do you usually pick up on those?

I'd have to ask AJ. I think he sent me the dyno sheet. I think it was like six something, seven something.

Yeah, that's a fun car. I was in the Savage Garage Urus on Crown Rally, I believe. No, no, I rode on the, no, it's when Gold Rush Rally came into town. I got a ride in it. That was cool when Alex Choi was driving me for rollers. That was kind of cool.

So he went up through Fargo afterwards. Did they? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Interesting.

Alex Choi, right? The YouTube guy? Yeah. Did he have his pink, it was like a pink McLaren or something?

Oh, yeah. I don't know what he had on that rally.

Got it. Yeah.

That was an interesting one because they also had the 812. I don't know, a bunch of fun stuff. But yeah, no, you guys can work a little bit on everything from the Euro to whatever.

Our biggest focus right now is just BMW maintenance and repair. It's so much easier. The customers are better.

Okay.

Are you doing any performance stuff with the new S58 at all?

Here and there. There's only like four in town up there.

True. Yeah.

That's tough. We had an M3 on order before that lawsuit, and I got scared, so I canceled it.

Okay, fair.

But I would love an M3 again.

Let's hope you don't pick up another lawsuit after this airs tomorrow.

Yeah, no, I think we're out of the... We've weeded out the trash pretty well.

Okay.

So are you still going to continue then? Obviously, you're building your Mustang up again. Are you going to concentrate then? If you get away from more customer bills, are you going to be still building cars and racing, doing all that stuff?

Yes and no. The way I look at it right now is if I can't start to finish your car in three days, I don't want to do it. So custom fab, no more. Custom wiring, no more. There's no money in it. And then anytime something happens, you're to blame. It could be like we put a Holley in a car and it failed like a week later. No reason. Well, you messed it up. It's like it's not how it works. Everyone's just so quick to point the blame.

Yeah.

So BMW customers, I'm very good with them. So diagnosis is 95% of the time spot on. It's just you quote it, they approve it, it leaves.

Yeah.

Way easier. I can have parts in a day. So yeah, true.

That helps.

Yeah. So I don't COVID really killed the performance stuff for me.

Yeah.

It seems like that's the case for a lot of people. I know some shops are trying to decide which way to go towards the performance more, or the end up like body shops.

They just got way too comfortable doing insurance work, and now they won't do any custom stuff anymore.

And like prime example, like what Rats got going here is great performance wise, because it seems like there's a way better clientele for that. Not so much on the Ford and Chevy side. That's how I kind of-

All them rednecks just got-

They want everything for nothing. Midnight Performance down in Texas. Have you heard of them?

Yeah.

You probably have too.

Yeah.

They're in Houston, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. I was at their meet for Texas 2K.

Builds awesome stuff, really good work. Everything works awesome. But then customers up here will call me and be like, hey, I want- Manwell just built this 1200-horse Mustang. It runs threes on the street. It's like, cool. That's like 60 grand. Well, he did it for 20. Then drive to Texas and have him do it for 20. It's not- And it's not going to be 20. People just get this idea in their heads that everything can be done for nothing. It's not how it works. It's a hard thing to get rid of.

Yeah. It's a simple algorithm. My time is going to take to do it. That's a certain rate. Parts are this much. You add this s*** together.

Well, that, Mike, we're on point. Our labor rate is on point with dealer level. So we're at 165 right now. You're not going to pay me 165 an hour to put headers on your car. Why would you? Like that kind of stuff, you can go anywhere and have it done for 80 bucks an hour.

Right.

But I don't want to work for $80 an hour.

That makes sense.

Right.

Well, sweet. Do you want to pop the usual three, Dan? Then we can get some tacos.

Sure. Sounds good. So at the end of every episode, we ask our guest question. We would like you to pick three cars. You have unlimited budget and unlimited imagination. We need a track car, a daily driver and show car show car man.

That damn cruise got your brain.

I got it right.

I'm going to go daily driver G80 M3.

Okay, nice. I had a I had a blast driving one for all of five minutes from here to yeah.

Charged. Yeah. So either that or X3M. I love our X3M.

Oh, you got to lock one in now, buddy.

M3. Race would be like a 15 to 1700 horse single cab short box Ford.

Nice.

That's like next time.

The newer ones, right?

Dude, working to deal with a guy right now. I'm hoping it works out. It's somebody locally or no Maryland, dude.

I was looking at some of those, dude. I really want one of the riots.

You really there.

Cletus has one, right?

Yeah.

Just bought one.

Really?

It wasn't like he called me. He's like, what would you do? This charger or this one?

Yeah.

He's basically going to build himself a Lightning.

Cool.

Yeah. And he's like, I paid like 40 grand for this truck.

Right.

Yeah.

And some of them, there's like dealerships doing with packages. Yeah. Like 48 grand.

Yep.

It's cheap.

Crazy. I was looking at those and they're all wheel drive too, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like, dude.

So like this guy that I know that has the one for sale, he just sold his two wheel drive. And I commented, I was like, man, if this is four wheel drive, I'd be on my way. And he messaged me. He's like, well, I have this one and they put a built motor in it and it locked up immediately. So he's sick of it and wants to get rid of it. So it's like, cool. If the price is right, you know, broke the truck, but we haven't agreed on a price yet.

Dude, that, because I think Cletus is, well, it's like a thousand horsepower Whipple or something like that, right?

As long as you do a crank support and like a 10 rib, you're pretty indestructible, but the Whipples are limited, way more limited than turbo.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's when you start talking 1500, 1700 horsepower. I really want one of those. My buddy has one. It's really cool.

Yeah. They're a blast.

Yeah. All right.

And then show car, show car would be a turbo S. I want a turbo S real bad.

Nine, nine, two turbo S.

I don't know the body codes yet.

The newest one. Like, yeah, the world record one or whatever.

Yeah. Like the beautiful ones, like 400 grand.

Yeah. I can't do it. I can't wait for a new GT two RS to drop.

Yeah.

That I'm excited for, because if it's even half as good as the new GT three RS, it's going to be ridiculous.

We saw a GT three RS for like 460.

Yeah. They're ridiculous right now.

So is the GT two like 600?

Well, they haven't even dropped them yet. So it's going to be 2026, I think. But that's basically that car. But with the last generation, I think it was twin turbo or whatever. And those are selling used for 500. So that's the next step up from GT3, because GT3 is the naturally aspirated one. Then you get the turbo one. And it's just ridiculous. I need to get me a Porsche expert on the show at some point. There's some people I'd like to reach out to.

You should have Will Dugas on.

Is he a Porsche expert?

He's had a bunch of Porsches.

He's had a bunch of everything, though.

Yeah, dude, he's got a fleet of cars.

I'd be curious if he'd want to come on or whatever, because that dude's got some stories.

You might be able to get him remote or if he's in town.

Well, I mean, we're Texas Duque, right? But no, I haven't even thrown the idea out to him, but it was fun hanging out with him in Texas or whatever.

He's a great guy. Him and Rachel are awesome.

Yeah, man. Dude, she's the fastest woman or whatever in a Viper. She's doing mid-sevens in a Gen 3 Viper, which is also in a 760. Yeah, I think she just ran like a 760 this weekend.

Yeah, like a 190 almost. It's insane.

Dude, she is so comfortable in that car. Like she's made for speed.

Those guys are awesome. Me and Deanna, I show her all the time like this guy, he just bought this. You know, like a week later, he just bought this, you know.

His 4 GT is beautiful.

Yeah.

All of his cars are beautiful. He's got good taste.

Yeah. So I met him when he was like big into the street race scene with the Silver Viper.

Colossus. Yep. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Again, at the end of the day, like some of these guys like to stay private too.

Right.

That everybody wants to come on a podcast. So, you know, some stories will never make it to the internet.

Right. But he's had a bunch of cool turbo S's and that's kind of what sparked my interest for him.

Interesting. Okay.

I don't know.

I mean, I don't even think of him for Porsche.

I think he's had three since I've been friends with him. Yeah. And like Rachel drives them majority, it seems, but still they're...

Yeah. They cycle.

He'll do like full bolt-on with a turbo kit and they'll make a thousand horse and...

Crazy.

Yeah. Like the one year he strapped a Christmas tree to the roof of it and went and ran like a nine second on the street.

I've never seen that before. That's cool. Well, sweet, man. Well, on that note, first of all, I appreciate you coming on.

Yeah.

This is a blast. I'm glad we were able to make it work. He just came back from his cruise. You came into town. Perfect timing. Let's see. On that note, everybody make sure to sign up for the car immunity rally. I'm really excited. We had four V10s sign up to a week and a half ago.

What are the dates for that?

Let's see. North is June 7th through 9th. So that's Minneapolis, Chicago.

Okay.

And then south is August 23rd to the 25th. So that's Chicago to Alpharetta.

Got it.

Well, Chicago, Lexington, Alpharetta.

Okay.

Have you done a rally before?

No.

Really?

They're so much fun.

So when I was building my Mustang, I always said I'm going to do Crown Rally.

Yeah.

And then I was always scared to go that far with the car. And then Crown Rally was done. And it's like, well, what's next? So obviously your guys is...

Yeah. There's a handful of rallies out there. Actually, I have a spreadsheet from actually one of Ratt's customers. A couple of years ago, he put together a spreadsheet of every rally in the country. Like 50 of them. People I've never even heard of. And he was basically just looking for the best value or whatever. And I think we were like top five, top 10 or whatever. Because that's the way I like to structure my events. Build the value first, then put a price on top of it.

Yeah, because Crown was like $3,500 or something.

And there's some value to that, right?

And they did a lot of cool stuff. I get it. Definitely points towards a certain crowd.

And towards the end, it started getting more and more expensive. But again, then you start buying exclusivity. This is a debate I have all the time with people. It was justified. It just wasn't justified for some people anymore. Exactly. Some things you get priced out of. The nice thing about what Dan's trying to build, car community, not this Dan Balto, is he's trying to build something for a little bit of everybody. So from the cruises to the car shows to the rallies, the rally is supposed to be the upper echelon. It's not supposed to be for everybody. I used to do the $250 rallies. Everybody's like, oh, if you do a $250 rally, I'll be there. Guess who only had nine f****** sign ups?

That's going to be us cruising the Culver's, and then staying at Super Raid.

I'm not here to sell anybody on that.

There's going to be two track events. This one in June is going to be, yeah, so we'll do Drag Strip and some road course.

For the Drag Strip? Yeah. Rock Falls.

Oh, cool.

Yeah, because they got some new management over there or something. That guy is super chill. I had a good conversation with him. I think his name was Travis.

They need someone good because it's been rough.

That guy was a riot to talk to on the phone.

They had hired one guy, and they were going to have this huge event, and everyone went to the track, and this guy wasn't there. It turns out he got a DUI the night before. Like his seventh one. And then he was gone after that.

Friggin Wisconsin problems.

Yeah.

I know that Kyle from Upscale Designs, the guy with the Supra, I'm sure you know him.

Oh, yeah. Kerry.

Yeah. That's Kerry. Sorry. What the f*** did I say, Kyle? Kerry, yeah. I literally just picked up some of my hoodies that I'm about to ship out from him. But yeah, he's going to have some event out there that's going to be really cool. So I'm going to see.

Yeah, he's messaging me one for Brainerd, too.

Yeah. So I'm going to see how I can help him promote some stuff, because again, I want to make it out to more events this season. We're also going to have a kind of like a, not partnership, like a co-hosted track day at Brainerd, like one of the driving schools.

Yeah.

So that's going to be May 20th. I'm still waiting to drop some details on that. But I think that covers all the event stuff. This isn't going to concern you, if I'm being honest.

No, I'm just, it'd be really cool to see you on a rally. I mean, other than going to the track news, it's like my favorite thing to do with my car.

Right. Well, like as soon as we got our X3, it was like, cool. This is our rally. Like we can go do a Crown rally now. And then that didn't happen again. So we're definitely looking for a replacement.

I think bang for buck wise, I think we're crushing on this one.

Yeah.

So I'm really excited on that. Because like, for example, our south one is everything that Whiplash was, but also a hundred bucks cheaper. I honestly, I told Dan, I'm like, are you sure we should be charging this little for south? Like that one's going to be the bargain one. But at the same time, north, like, you know, two tracks, you know, we've got Drag Strip and then also the track day at Autobahn. So that's going to be fun.

Well, then it ends in the Chicago area. It's a six hour jump back for us and then an additional four for you. Right. So that's nothing.

The nice thing is my parents still live in town, so I can come halfway crash.

Yeah.

Go the rest of the next day.

Would you bring your wife then? Something like that. Yeah. So that's my wife.

Oh, she's a big driver, like power cruise.

Yeah.

Best time ever. Riding passenger, watching her enjoy it is.

That's awesome.

Do that for your significant others.

Yeah. Well, that's what she gets kind of upset because not a lot of people, so they're two buddies or whatever. So like she always gets, not that she doesn't fit right in with everybody, but she likes it when there's some more girls and stuff go on it too. So my wife, when I called you that one time, she has a 13, got to have a green, and I was trying to decide she wanted boost.

Got it.

I ended up putting a pro charger on it, but she can drive, so it's nice when other girls that got cars and do stuff like that too, it's neat.

Yeah, like my fiance's trans ams a stick, and I remember the first time I went to Fargo and I rode in it, I was like, I don't mean to sound like a guy, you know? I was like, but you're really good at driving a stick, you know? It's pretty impressive. She's like, oh, my little lady brain, can I not, you know?

Yeah.

It's usually what they say.

Where do you guys find these women? I'm trying to figure it out.

Dude, she's the best.

The ones that aren't lunatics, I mean.

Go older.

Well, that's why I've been thinking, dude. It's like, man, I got to go. Is there an app for MILFs? Like, what's going on here?

I don't know. I call mine a cougar all the time. Cougar. I'll play like cougar noises randomly in the house.

Is there a big age gap or?

Nine years.

That's not too bad.

Yeah. Not terrible. Yeah. Yeah.

Could end up being an Ecolab, you know, sort of deal.

Exactly. And that was the big thing. Like, oh, she's with him for his dad's money. You know?

That was ridiculous. And I had this conversation with my dad recently. It's like, man, it's just nowadays you could just kind of jump in, check your DMs. There's a hundred dudes messaging you. It's a little bit different. You know, it's a little bit tougher. I mean, you know, I don't know. And plus, I don't drink. I don't go to bars or clubs. I don't care for it.

It's the music's too loud. You know, it was fun in 2012.

Yeah.

That's what I messed up. You know, in 2012, I should have been looking for the love of my life and buying houses.

How old were you in 2012?

12.

Holy.

You're way behind the game.

I'm only 24, dude.

Okay.

Well, sweet. On that note, thank you, everybody, for listening. Be sure to check out our sponsor, Razorhood. And on that note, let's go get some. Oh, we're gonna people find you. I forgot that part. DRC Fargo.

drcfargo.com. Info at drcfargo.com is our email. Yeah, we're not much on Instagram.

You can find us at Gunna Garage. We're gonna, with two N's. You give me the I's when I say it, and I don't specify the two N's. I can see it in your face.

No, I looked at you. I was like, I was wondering if he's gonna say it.

Yeah, no, no. We're just maybe gonna skip Snowmobile content this year. And I did wear my Yamaha sweatshirt, but we're gonna, I don't know, I don't know if he's gonna say it, but the cars are coming out soon. Let's get back at it.

This is going to be a 17-month-long winter.

Maybe the beaver or whatever saw a shadow, whatever that thing was.

The dirty beaver.

I saw the video, I'm like, that's a beaver, you know what I mean?

Wood chunks are frigging nasty, man.

And on that note, we'll see you next time.

F*** that beaver. Right?