78. A Fast 1 Series BMW, The Noble M12 GTO 3R, Road Rallies, w/ Jeff Storms

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Minnoxide podcast. I'm your host, Harris, AKA Minnoxide, man of many automotive aspirations, and I'm here with my finally Mustang driving co-host. It's warm enough to bring the Mustang out.

Well, midday, right, I figured traffic wouldn't be nearly as bad. Oh, it was still not that great. But yeah.

I'm surprised he didn't bring the town car. So many of our listeners know that he bought a town car for like $2,000. He's like, I'm going to play bumper cars in traffic.

Yeah. I got tired of almost getting merged into every time I drove here.

It's nice to have my car and not to care about, right?

Yeah, exactly. So go ahead, bounce it off my Panther platform town car. We'll see how that works out for you.

I will win.

These cars invented the pit mover. So good luck.

Oh, a little weird cough there. But anyways, today we are going beyond the meat with Jeff Storms. I've known you for years. You're actually one of the OG podcast guests back when I did the Whiplash podcast. However, I want to say two years ago now. But nonetheless, a lot of people know you for, you're various cars and clubs that you've run over the years. So big Beamer guy, but of course, the Noble that we picked up, the Lamborghini killer that we picked up a few years ago. One of the best trips, one of the best food trips I've had in my life. So we'll kind of just start from there. So just do a quick introduction of yourself, a little bit about your club, your cars, and we'll go from there.

Sure. Well, as you said, you know, my name is Jeff Storms. I'm a full-time real estate agent, part-time power lifter trainer at Crunch Fitness in Maple Grove. I kind of picked up that recently just because it's something to keep me busy in slower months and whatnot. Plus, it also allows me the chance to meet more people for real estate. But about the car stuff, you know, I've been a car enthusiast for a long time. As you know, you know, big Beamer guy, me and a couple folks started doing the MN BMW stuff. That's the group, the first group that I was kind of really a part of before. Well, I should stop there and say MNSC was the first group. And I don't know if that's ever been brought up on this podcast. The Minnesota Sports Compats, Compaqs. That was a forum. That was from back in the day. And that's when forums were big. That was a big, big local group. And I guarantee a lot of your listeners, especially the folks around my age or a little bit younger, might remember them. But that was the first group that I was really a part of. And then it kind of bowled over into MNBMW, which was actually a forum ran by Kevin Tan.

That's the Imola guy, right?

It's Imola, yeah. He started that as a forum. And then a couple of us, mainly Triet, Tint Pro is over there. Triet and I started the Facebook group MNBMW, and it just kind of like blew up. I mean, it snowballed. We didn't think it was going to be anything. And it blew up. S***, this was 2013, I think, is when the group was created. And it was great at the time. This was before I actually got into real estate. So I had different time and availability and whatnot.

Was that when you were an engineer?

Engineering, yeah. So I was doing a lot of travel, but I was working with various different things. So I was in and out, but I also had a lot of free time and younger and whatnot. But I always had a one series, and I was organizing events and stuff like that with local BMW groups. The group's still around. We don't do as much anymore. Other groups pop up. I've seen hundreds of groups pop up. Come and go. Yeah, the only other group that I've seen that really has stood the test of time for the last 10 years is Minnesota Nissan Infinity. I'm sure you know Emin and I. They've been around about the same amount of time. A lot of good folks over there. But they still do a little bit more, I think, than we do. I'm trying to kind of get things going a little bit more this year with the BMW group.

I think you should have some success with that. The car community, especially locally, has... it's got some steam. Like a steam that I've never seen before. It's kind of interesting. I'm really excited for what the community is doing on the local front, at least.

Yeah, I mean, it was nothing a long time ago. We had some little events. I mean, I remember... Euro something, Euroworks or something like that. There was a couple other groups that were doing some cool events and whatnot. But it was pretty quiet, you know, 10, 15 years ago. It really... I mean, what are the Porkies, those events, you know, the night stuff, those were always kind of around. But yeah, in the last, I would say, eight years specifically, a lot of these groups popped up. You know, you started seeing Minnesota, what is it? Exotics and supercars, which is kind of what I started gravitating into once I started getting a little bit smarter or whatever with my money.

I, you know, wiser kind of, you kind of grow into it, right? Like everybody like starts with a Volkswagen for whatever reason, and then you work your way up, you know, as you get more access to funds the older you get. So it makes sense.

Yeah, that's completely true. I mean, my first, you know, I guess my first exotic would be, I wouldn't even consider it exotic. You know, people would scold me for saying exotic, my Jaguar. You know, that was really my first real, real exotic. That was a rare car too. It was rare. Yeah, I wouldn't call it necessarily exotic. I mean, Jag makes some cool cars. You know, the XK and, you know, the F type, they're not exotic, but they did fit the bill for being rare and being in the group. But I was, you know, I was networking with those guys a long time ago when the group was actually doing stuff. You know, now they kind of do some little events here and there. You know, they do, was it Supercar Saturday or something like that? I met a lot of really good folks there. And eventually, you know, obviously, as you know, we got The Noble.

Which will go into that story as well, for sure. At one point, you were really, really, really trying to get me to buy a BMW.

Sure.

The 1 Series. What is the cult following behind the 1 Series?

Well, such an oddball car. You know, it, when it first came out, a lot of people were skeptical about it. You know, that M54, M55 engine, it's an easily tunable engine, especially back in the day, you slap a tune on it and down pipes and you're damn near 400 of the wheels. And back, you know, when they first came out, it was, that was quick, relatively quick, right?

Even by today's standards, in a car that light, that is ridiculously quick. Yeah.

Because what do they weigh? They're actually pigs. I mean, they're like 30, 33, 3400 pounds. And you wouldn't think that they would weigh that much. You'd think they'd be closer to like three or so, you know. But they're bulbous and, you know, it's newer stuff. They just pack a bunch of crap in there.

Well, still 600 pounds lighter than today's Beamers.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I don't know what the two series weighs, but I definitely think it's...

I think it's like 38, the new M2, I want to say. What about the... Okay, so I really should get like Brian on or somebody next door to talk a little bit more about Beamer motors. But the N54, I've heard mixed reviews about that. What have you kind of learned over the years?

I've been an owner of the N54 for, what, 12 years now.

Okay.

A little bit more than that, yeah. I've had a couple. I've had some good experiences, some bad experiences. The bad experience that I've had is I popped an engine, but I was an idiot. I was using a JB4, slapping, you know. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. Just a JB4 off-the-shelf tune with fully 85 and stuff like that, and popped a Ringland and had to swap a new engine in. I didn't know what I was doing. Eventually, I got custom tunes and talked to Brian. That's how I met Brian. He's been in the community for a long time. He's kind of a BMW N54 whisperer, if you will.

Thousands and thousands of cars run his tunes.

He's nationally known. There's a couple other guys that are local, too. And nationally, Wedge Performance is another one that I've heard a lot about. I've spoken with him on the forums and Facebook and whatnot. But other than that, I think there's another guy. Tuned by Sean, I think, is another one that I'm hearing about.

I've gotten to know him recently, too.

Sounds like Brian's on a dyno right now.

Yep, so today they are working on a local GTR. I'm not sure what level of tune. I'd be surprised if it was more than stage two, but I might be wrong. I don't think it's a full build. It might just be like...

I talked to him downstairs. It's exhaust, original turbo still, but just all of your normal bolt-ons. Nothing crazy.

Those cars are wonderful, too. It's funny when you get into a GTR. I drove Tony O'Scooey, who's my broker. I drove his GTR a number of years ago on the track. It was cool, but you get inside of it, but it does not feel nearly as big as it looks. And it still feels like a Nissan. They're sweet cars, they're easy to drive, they're fun, they're easy to mod. But you need to start putting in a s*** ton of money into them eventually to really get that next-level power, just like with any car, really.

So we talked about this with Caleb last episode, where at a certain point, everything kind of starts to cost the same, like 1,500-plus horsepower, but that's a different ballgame altogether. When you're looking at that full bolt-on category, it's kind of tit-for-tat. Like, oh, this car's a better bang for bucket, 800 horsepower, this one's better at 1,000. So I don't know. But the GTR has also stood the test of time. I mean, it's a, what, 15- 16-year-old platform now. It's got a driver's license now, so... It's ridiculous.

Going back to your question about how you said about the 1 Series and why I was kind of driving you towards that, you know, based off of our conversations that we had had about what you're kind of looking for and stuff like that, the 1 Series did fit that bill. You know, you were looking for, you didn't want a big car, you were looking for something that was easily modifiable, that was relatively affordable and stuff like that. The 1 Series, I mean, it's under 20 grand all day long. You can get a manual transmission. You know, you do a tune, downpipe, intercooler, a bigger clutch. You can get some hybrid turbos on there. I mean, you're at 600, 700 of the wheels eventually. You know, port injection you need, you know, but it's easy to make a lot of power in those cars for relatively affordable. Now you see a whole bunch of them running around with, you know, single turbos and stuff like that. The kits have become so much cheaper. But I remember when, you know, 450, the wheels on those cars was like, holy crap, like, this is big, you know.

Well, to put it in perspective, right, at 3,300 pounds, you know, making 450 wheel, like, you're smoking a lot of cars.

90% of the cars on the road. I mean, Camaro's, you know, older Corvettes, you know, Hellcats even. Hellcats, I mean, I've surprised a lot of those guys on the road and on the freeway, you know. It's not like I do anything illegal, right? But I've surprised quite a few of them on the roads. They pull up and they see some, you know, hairdresser-looking car, that's what people call it, you know, hairdresser car. A big old, you know, bowser-looking dude in the thing. And then they try to race. It's just like, nope. I remember one time specifically, I got a buddy, Brad Schmidt, he was on Crown with me a number of years ago. He had a McLaren on Crown. But he and I has other, you know, friends that are like-minded and whatnot, same circle. And he was driving his Camaro. And we were in Brooklyn Park or whatever, and I specifically remember this. And I look over and I see this white Camaro. And he sees me, he sees my lowered wheels, and stuff like that, and he tries to get on me, you know, like we turn and we go, and I just bust lengths on him. And this is when I was maybe 450 at the wheels, and I didn't have my hybrid turbos or anything like that, not running the E85, and just bust lengths. Within 20, 30 minutes, he texts me. And I never met the guy. He texts me on Facebook, and he's like, dude, what the hell was that thing? And I ask him what the hell it was. You know, it's a Camaro Z28, you know, not the current gen, but whatever. I don't know too much about the generation.

Paul Rodes, I'm guessing.

Yeah, I think so, but I mean, he's got, I think he's got like the supercharged version, doesn't he?

No, it's all natural aspirated, 427.

Okay, I think he's probably making a little bit more power.

Yeah, it's cammed and all that stuff.

Yeah, so same gen-ish as his, but just the regular, you know, SS, whatever. I don't even think Brad had it modified, but you know, eventually he had to ditch that and get a McLaren, and then, you know, Bob's your uncle there, so.

Gotta keep up with the beamer.

Yeah, he's like, damn it, this little BMW just smoked me, gotta get something else.

So I've heard of this N54, and I know zero about BMWs, so now they're kind of into the, what's this, the B58 or S58? Okay, so would this be their flagship before this kind of newer motor that they're working with?

Yeah, yeah, I mean, they didn't really do much with the motor, like, you know, the B and the S, you know, they didn't really do much. They had, at the time, the M, the 1M, not the M1, but the 1M, the M version of the 135. Yeah, Sean's car, yep. Same engine, same engine. They do maybe a little bit of different tuning, and I mean, the car itself is different. Different suspension, wide body, blah, blah, blah. But the N54 at the time was the, was the M car engine until the E90 M3 came out, and then they did that weird V8, you know, which is a lovely engine. Naturally aspirated, you know, you couldn't really modify it, but it's a high, strong, high-rev and V8. You've probably driven some of those cars. They're wonderful engines, but they're just not modifiable, nearly as like the N54 is. But yeah, then they got out of that naturally aspirated V8 and then moved into the, you know, continued on with the turbo vehicles. And then they just do different tuning and certain internals and stuff like that for the non-M version or the S. The S model is like the S58. Those engines are stout. They are stout.

That's what I've heard.

An M2 is kind of the progression if I was going to get rid of my 1 Series. That would be what I'm looking at. I'm looking at other investments right now currently. I think it's a smarter idea.

I hate that internal struggle.

I mean, I already got a couple of decent cars. Look at the AMG, the little GLA. Yeah, I forgot you had that little thing. Yeah, that thing's awesome, man. I love that thing. I mean, I have a love-hate relationship with that thing. It's my first Mercedes that I've owned. It's a baby Mercedes. I say AMG, and people are like, look at the AMG you got. It's a GLA 45. A little 4-cylinder, a little fartbox thing. It's hilarious.

It is a little bit of a fartbox.

This thing farts and pops all over the place. It's fun. My wife drives it mainly. She had a Ford Escape, but we're not going to talk about that. She ended up totaling it, and now she drives her GLA. And it's funny, she will be driving like this, and people will come up next to her and try to race her or honk at her. And my friends are like, yeah, your wife didn't even look over. She's a little Asian lady, just going, meh, meh, meh. But hearing this thing is pretty cool. I really like that car.

It's a fun car. What would you say? It makes like 400 wheel, 450?

Yeah, it's around 400. I had a dyno at one point, an all wheel drive dyno, obviously, because it's all wheel drive, I can't remember. It's quick, you know. I think it's, at the time, it was, I think it's got a downpipe on it, Eurocharged, something or other too. There's not a lot of people that do, you know, the GLA stuff around here. So they had the most affordable, best option. And it's not like I wanted to go full build on that, because I already got the 1 Series, the Noble, at the time I had the Jag. It's just like, you can only put so much money in certain things.

Well, that's what I keep hearing from all the German guys. All I hear is downpipes and a tune. It seems like that's just step one.

That's the easiest. I mean, honestly, if I was going to do everything right, my advice to everybody would be like, enjoy the car for a year, and then just spend the money and get what you want. Get the downpipe, get the tune, get the intercooler, do that. But before you do any of that, make sure your maintenance is up to date. All your gaskets, that's the big thing. The gaskets and stuff where they end up before, especially they like to leak. I've never really had big problems. I think you asked about that. The engine popped one time. That was my neglect and stupidity. Other than that, I mean, yeah, the water pump has this plastic propeller and it breaks. I haven't replaced a water pump. I've not gone wood in a while. The coil packs, there's some recalls on that. The high pressure, the low pressure, the high pressure fuel pump, there's a recall on that. They took care of that stuff. But really, it's been a pretty damn solid car over the last couple of years, or the last 10 years. AMG I'm getting more problems with, actually.

Well, I feel like no matter what, I don't care what platform it is, I think everybody has a water pump complaint. Seriously, it always breaks. Once you get a car to whatever, 60,000, 80,000, 100,000 miles, I feel like no matter what, the water pump's going.

It's kind of a wearable item, but is it at least on the outside of the engine?

I don't believe so.

So this is where my problem lies, is when they put them internal, like Ford does in their new 3.5s, it's inside the engine, so it can put water in the oil, it has all kinds of problems.

I think it's an internal one, but don't quote me, I don't work on my own cars. I mean, I'll do brakes and certain things, I don't have time for it anymore. There's people out there that specialize in it, that are better at it than me. Support your local businesses. I'd rather support friends and stuff like that. So for me, if I spend work and time on my car, then I am spending less time on my kids or my business, focusing on my real estate clients, which is ultimately how I pay for stuff, my hobbies and my toys, etc. So just kind of quantify your time that way. It just makes more sense. When I was younger, when I was first driving cars, I was more of a Nissan guy, actually. I had a Nissan Maxima, a 240Z or 240SX, rather, that was manual swapped. It was fun. Still actually have that 240, but my buddy has it right now. I think he's trying to make it for his kid, and he's just going to buy me out on it. We bought it together a long time ago. I never really did much with it. It was a cool car. But we would do our own clutches. We would do everything. I'd work on my neighbor's cars, and stuff like that, for extra cash. But I was in my mid to late 20s, just out of the military. I was just like, you know what? I'm going to try to make some extra money. But now, that's flip-flopped. I don't have the time, but I have the money.

Well, the whole built, not bought thing is so exhausting sometimes, because at a certain point, especially if you do have a career and all that stuff, I'd rather just make the money and pay someone else to do it, because otherwise I'm sacrificing literally everything else just to say I built it.

I'm in the same camp you're in right now. I have a shop, I have a lift, I have a two-stage air compressor, I have a tire machine, I have all this stuff.

And a junkyard.

I can, but I don't have the time. It's the same thing with kids, work, all this stuff. It's much easier. I can get it back in three or four weeks, then it's done. If I do it, it's going to take me a year or two.

Then there's the liability portion too. I mean, you have a shop, do some work, and they f*** it up, and it goes back to them. Yeah, it sucks, especially if it's a friend's business. Like, hey, dude, something's going on here. As a human, most people shouldn't be trying to take advantage of shops and stuff like that. But as a human, you go to them and be like, hey, this is not right. And most shops make things right. Unless they can prove that it was neglect or something.

Certain things burn down, you know, things are given away, insurance claims, whatever.

Yeah, there's...

Yep, you got it.

I'm tracking. But you do it yourself. I'll give this example, like hanging a TV.

He's very familiar with that.

That's literally what I do for a living.

I can hang my own TVs, but if you do it for a living, you're insured or your entity is insured. If you drop an 86-inch TV, it's a $4,000 TV, your insurance is paying for that, right? Or something's coming out of your business. Whereas if I'm hanging it myself, we bought a new house a couple years ago, and I'm like, I'm going to have Best Buy or whoever the hell do this, and I don't want to drop $10,000 for TVs to hang. I'm not dropping these TVs. And it was way worth the time, especially my 86 inches above the fireplace. They had four guys come out and got it all done, but if they would have dropped that thing, if I would have dropped that thing...

You meant that sucks.

Yeah, I'm just a creek for that one.

And same thing with an engine, right? If I tear down, which I've never done, I've never tear down my own engine or torn down my own engine, but I did something wrong with a clutch or blew my own car up, then I'm out the money. And it sucks.

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Well, but it's partly also like sponsors and their lifestyle, like their lifestyle and livelihood.

Bingo.

Right, so if they have the livelihood to do, I mean, there's what was it? Dustin, do you know Dustin?

Which Dustin?

Williams. Williams built that Lotus. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should chat with him. He might give you some insight on some of that kind of stuff. He's an engineer of sorts, and he's building his own house now. He's doing some wild things, and that's what he wants to do with his free time, and that's great.

Amazing work, by the way. I mean, at first I think his car was like a BMW V10 too, wasn't it?

Yeah, he did a...

Or is it a trans?

Yeah, he turboed the BMW V10, the naturally aspirated V10 engine, which is bonkers to begin with, and then he turboed it or whatever the hell, and then yeah, he slapped it in that long... He extended the frame of the Lotus, the Lotus Elise, I think. I remember that car when it was stock, and then he pulled up to some shows, and you know, he's a nice kid. You know, he's smart, very smart.

Yeah, I've reached out. Maybe something will happen one day. That would be cool, because that is a crazy, crazy build. Did you ever see the Motovetti? So basically, yeah, like you said, it's an extended Lotus Elise, threw a big-a** V10 in there. He's trying to build his own supercar company is the best way to describe it.

Yeah, and he'll throw out other renders and stuff like that. They look pretty slick. What were you saying?

It's difficult. I hope it comes to fruition, but getting something like that off the ground is not easy.

Right now, he's building his own house.

Yeah.

He bought some land, and he's designing his own house. We've chatted a little bit about that stuff. Yeah, he's got some wicked plans. It's funny, looking at building this house, and instead of putting big windows in, he's putting sliding glass door windows instead of putting in the windows. It's one thing he was telling me. I was like, interesting. It works. I mean, the windows, if you put them in and they look like real windows, nobody would notice. You have a sliding glass door. It closes and opens, and you have a stationary side. You just buy the stationary side or whatever. I was like, huh, that's pretty slick. I'm really looking forward to seeing his house. But yeah, if you can get him on the podcast, I'll ping him too.

Yeah, he's a good dude. Let's talk about The Noble though, because that was my first time flying out to California. First time in California. We got to do some... Dude, the food that we... If anybody doesn't know this, you are the food guy.

I am the food guy.

Like you have...

Sounds like my kind of guy.

You have such good...

Are we just making them best friends?

Yeah.

You've never let me down with a recommendation, I don't think. I'm pretty sure you haven't, especially when we were in California. We got some of the best food. We picked up The Noble, which the way I opened this episode, it was the Lamborghini killer when it came out. When did The Noble come out?

Well, the history of The Noble... I don't know everything, of course, and other listeners, they might be able to chime in on some of the specifics. Lee Noble was the original creator, and I think he worked for Lotus or something like that back in the day. The Noble has been around for longer than it's been in the United States. It was originally in England or United Kingdom or whatever, and they have The Noble M10, The Noble M12, The Noble M12 GTO, M12 GTO 3R, M400, M500, M600. They have all these different variants. But a company here in the United States, they ended up linking up with the folks over there at Noble, and essentially were offering to be able to import these cars through like a, kind of like a, it's almost like what they call a kit car, but it's not, it's a factory ordered kit, so you can order the car through the place called 1G Racing in Ohio. Once you do that, the car gets built to spec over in the UK, and then it's assembled, tested over in, was it Port Elizabeth, South Africa by 1G Racing or something, or high tech automotive, sorry. And then they get disassembled, the power plant gets removed, so then it comes to the United States, and then it gets reassembled as a factory kit. So you couldn't like, people are like, oh, is that a kit car? Not really, because it's not like a factory five where you can order the car and like get a wrench out and put it together yourself. That's not how it was. So yes and no. It's a factory vehicle, especially in the UK, but it was ordered as a factory kit to kind of get around some of those, the crash laws and whatnot. But to answer your question, in the United States, the first year was 2004. That was when they first came in, and that's actually the year that I have. I think I have number 80 something. I can't remember the noose number. Noble US number something or other. 80 something. Yeah, I bought it from the second owner. You met, I think his name was Rick. You met him down in California, went down to Long Beach.

He had the first ever pair of like Brixton's or whatever, like of a particular.

On his Porsche, right?

Yeah, the first ever floating hub or whatever was Brixton's.

That was the first thing I noticed when we pulled up. I was like, damn, look at that thing, that Porsche. And then he had that California. I think he actually had a factory five.

I think so, yeah. One of those knockoff Cobras.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, our buddy John Petrie has one too.

It's a great car.

They're sweet.

Yeah, I shot a cruise for those guys, like the four or five car cruise of five Cobras. It was cool.

Those are super cool. Yeah, not my cup of tea.

You can appreciate it. You would never own it.

Oh, f*** yeah, they're great.

I'm in the same. I'm a huge Shelby fan and a Ford fan, and they don't get me where I...

Yeah, I mean, if you had a collection of money to have a collection, it'd be top 50. It'd be in there, right? It'd be in there for sure. I mean, I could think of a ton of cars that I would have if I had that kind of wealth, and I wouldn't be collecting 8,000 Bugattis or whatever people do, or 8,000 Ferraris. I'd have variety because it's the spice of life.

Yeah, I always say I'd have the weirdest collection you've ever seen.

I mean, that's completely stupid. I mean...

I think Adam Smith had some of the best answers when he said that. He's like, If I had a limited budget, I'd have 70 s******** in a warehouse.

Yeah.

A bunch of Honda Fits swapped with this and that.

Well, you know, I think... I don't know if it was Adam's idea during the Crown days, but they had that s****** cruise or whatever, the rally. Did you ever see about that?

I think I've heard people talk about it.

Yeah, so they had... Besides the Crown rally, they also did a s****** cruise rally, where it was literally like you get entered. I can't remember the name of it. I didn't join it because I think I was living in India or China at the time. But it was like $1,000 in total is what you could spend on the chassis of the vehicle and mods and stuff like that. And then they went around and did their rally. And that seems right up Adam's alley. He's a tinkerer. As you already know, he was on your podcast earlier.

Yeah, that was fun. There was a lot of stories on there. He's like, I don't know if I should have said that. He's like, forget about it.

Yeah, he's a good dude. We actually swapped keys one time. We got to do it again. His Viper, you know, the TT Viper.

Have you driven it in the twin turbo state?

Yeah. Really?

Did you get to boost a lot?

A little bit. It was kind of cold. It was in Dayton. We didn't drive. He drove mine. I drove his back to my house. We were at a car show. I was like, let's just go back to your house and hang out. And so we just drove both each other's cars back to my house.

I remember one time we did a cruise. I remember you just like whipped it through a corner. That's a core memory.

In The Noble?

In The Noble, yeah. Like you just slightly, like it stepped out a little bit. It was cool to see.

Well, that thing has no nannies either. So like there's no anything. I mean, the good thing is that the engine's in the rear, right? So it's an easy car to drive, but it's also an easy car to f*** up. You really got to know how to drive it. What does it weigh? It's like 2,400 pounds. With me, it's obviously more. Talking about food, right? But yeah, it's an easy car to drive. You know, the BMW is completely different because it's 600 whatever to the wheels. Once I get a port injection, and then I'll go full E85 and put the stage whatever the hell clutch it is, dual ceramic clutch, whatever, put that in there, and that'll have Brian retune it to 700. Completely different. Yeah, it's completely, it'd be stupid.

Get the f*** out of here.

The car's already dumb. It's got four, you know, Archer blade R's on it, and the 600 whatever the hell the wheels.

I think I drove it actually one time, if I remember correctly.

Did you drive it with the new tune?

I think it was about five or 550 at the time, something like that. Yeah, I mean, I did not get on it too much because I suck in manual, but it was, it got down, like you were like put it down in second and whomp through the top.

Yeah, it maybe was after the new tune that, you know, that Brian did. Most likely. Yeah, I mean, I had, remember that I had that automatic one, which was, you know, the original one that I had. That was 450 with the wheels on an E blend. And then, yeah, I think it was like three something, 390, just 93 octane, which was totally fine. I liked that car. It had more creature comforts. I need to, I need to bother, I might actually go bother Brian after this because he tuned out, somehow he tuned out my cruise control on my manual BMW. So I'm like, it's actually been like a couple days after he tuned it. This has been a year and a half or two years ago now that he tuned it. I just haven't done it. And he's a busy dude, you know, so I don't want to bother him just to have him hook up my car and put my cruise control back on it, whatever. But the problem is, after my wife totaled her Ford Escape, I daily drive either the BMW or the Mercedes. And when she takes the Mercedes, I have to drive the BMW. If I go across town for showings or whatever, I have no Bluetooth in that car, so I got to wear my headphones. There's no creature comforts. It doesn't have heated seats, which whatever, I don't really care. I'm not that bougie. But the issue is the cruise control. I miss that. So driving the Mercedes is super nice, but it's definitely different. But yeah, back to The Noble. It's going around. I can whip it around. I have to try though. Like honestly, I have to try. Unless there's dirt or it's a little bit cold out, I do have to kind of like pop that clutch, and then she gets happy.

Gets rowdy.

Yeah, or if I'm going fast through a turn, then she'll slide, which is really controllable. Honestly, it really is. It's a very maneuverable car. The downforce in that car, you really feel that thing suck to the ground, too, especially when you're going a little bit faster.

Double wang gang.

What size of a rear tire is on it? Do you know?

It's not wide enough. So yeah, I mean, ultimately the goal with that car, Enth Moto, when I, you know, on Crown Rally a number of years ago, I popped the engine on that thing. So I'm going to get to your question, and then...

Oh, I've actually found myself in some Noble forums because I just picked up a Ford Contour SVT, which has the 2.5 in it. Yeah, so I was like, maybe I could look at a turbo kit. Well, right there, Ford Contour, Noble.

It's a similar engine, so it's got the 2.5, right?

Yep, yep.

Yeah, so the Noble's got the 3 liter, but the Contour has the European version. The Noble, I'm sorry, the Noble has the European version 2.5 liter in the UK. So the older Nobles, like the M12, I think, does, the M10, whatever, they have that similar engine, that Duratec, whatever the SVT has. The Nobles have the 3 liter Duratec engine. So at one point in time, this is kind of funny, at one point in time, I had two f****** 3 liter Duratecs in my house, that Ford Escape and then the Noble. And they'd literally, you could tell that they sounded somewhat similar just on like certain idols and stuff like that. It was kind of funny. And then when I had the Jag at the same time, the Jag, that V8, is built off of the same Ford Duratec kind of platform. They all have similarities. So I essentially had three similar style engines that were wildly different. I had the Ford Escape, the Noble and then the Jag, the AJ-133, not the AJ-133. I don't remember. Anyway, the V8, the supercharged V8.

Three cars that you wouldn't think would have anything in common.

Right. Completely different. People walk up to me in that Noble and they're like, what the hell is that thing? I've had everything from Lotus to Ferrari to Koenigsegg when it's all open. And so I was like, yeah, it's a Koenigsegg. That's what it is. Yeah. It is. But yeah, it's a fun car to drive. And to answer your question, it's 265 in the rear.

Oh yeah, that's skinny.

They're thin tires. But because the engine's in the back, it gets pretty good traction. But after I popped the engine on Crown Rally a number of years ago, I was at Road America. They have a long, like, sweeping turn, right?

Yep, the carousel.

Yeah, that's what they call it. Thanks. I was going around. I mean, probably had, what, eight laps or so. And the oil went to one side. Oil pick up issues. There's no dry sump, wet sump, whatever. There's a track pan in there, but the baffling sucks. So popped the engine, and a couple of guys on Crown were nice enough to, you know, help me get the car back to Minnesota, because I was planning on just driving it back, and I didn't plan accordingly, apparently. You didn't ever plan for a car to blow up. No. So I popped it, and then I called the folks over at Enth, you know, Aaron over there. I'm sure you know Aaron very well. One of the brightest dudes that I've ever met, you know, as far as automotive stuff is concerned. He will talk your ear off, and he will make you feel like you're just as intelligent as him. He'll break it down Barney style, ABC123, and you'll be like, Oh my God, that makes sense. Even though you have no idea what, like, you wouldn't know what he's talking about, but you do because he breaks it down so well. So he built the car. He did the engine for me. He rebuilt everything, and then we're going to be doing some sort of single turbo, you know, big single turbo swap with a Motec or whatever the hell he wants. And Aaron will pretty much do blank check to him, be like, Have fun. And then eventually I'll send it over to a body shop to widen the rear track. You know, I'm going to get some Archer blade ours on there, especially after, you know, it gets that power. I mean, I want six to seven of the wheels in that thing, you know, effectively doubling the wheel horsepower. I think it's like right now I had on the Dyno, it was like 320, something like that.

So after the Road America incident, you basically just rebuilt it back to stock then?

So it's stocks, like nothing external changed. I did add the folks over at JWP, they did the engine removal and engine re-installation. And then we had to add a breather, you know, an oil breather or whatever to it, what do they call that? A blow-by valve thing. What do they call those things?

A doohickey.

A doohickey, exactly. So they added one of those, you know, so it reduces the blow-by and the smoke. But the internals, so we beefed everything up. Springs will eventually go higher, higher RPMs. Things got short legs. I mean, it's just like I'm shifting like every second in that car. It's quick.

So he being Aaron?

Aaron.

So he rebuilt it.

Yeah, he did a full rebuild on an engine with the insides ready for boost.

Oh, yeah, she's ready. I mean, he's like this thing's ready for like 900. Easy all day. So yeah, so it's just the turbo and the rest of it's just the turbo and all the rest of the supporting stuff on the exterior, you know. And that's, they're so busy. So, and I'm not in a rush, you know, honestly, you know, it's money is not unlimited, you know, all our investments go older places and stuff like that. So, but I...

So you're on the wait list then, or is that just like a later problem sort of thing?

Yeah, pretty much Aaron just knows to contact me when he wants to get me on his schedule. And I'm like, I'm not in a rush because I love the car as it sits. And frankly, I'm putting my money elsewhere right now, but it is in the works. It is something that I will be doing with that car.

Well, especially if you want to go, again, the 600, 700 horsepower out, and then MoTeC by itself is not cheap.

Yeah, I mean, we're talking a $10,000 ECU at least. It's going to be full custom piping, full custom intercooler. The turbo location right now, one of the turbos sits right behind you, and it's just hot. So that one's going to get removed, and then the other turbo is underneath the intercooler in the back, if you can kind of picture it. And that's where the big single is going to go. I mean, it's going to look nasty. And of course, the rest of the cooling stuff, there's going to be that.

Right. Well, when it comes to EnthMoto, right, especially having been around some of their cars over the last few years, some shops like to take the approach of like, all right, we're going to throw a turbo, an intercooler, blah, you know, just piece together parts, whereas EnthMoto, from what I've gathered, is they take a holistic approach. How is this thing going to work as a system altogether? This thing works with that. That's the better approach, because at the end of the day, yes, it's more custom. Yes, it costs more money. But one thing you get with that is peace of mind. And then you just get the quality that comes with it.

That's what ultimately attracted me to having Aaron over at Enth do the work. I mean, obviously his guys did the work.

Aaron is closer, by the way. You shifted on me.

Actually, I'm going to take my sweatshirt off. I'm getting a little warm.

Yes, we will just talk about Ford stuff or whatever. Just keep Dan awake here.

I'm good. This guy has a Ford engine in it. No, no.

It's always really fun to... Whenever somebody brings up Ford anything, Dan's encyclopedia boots up, and he's like, Oh, f****** hell.

Well, you know what's funny is he was mentioning, you were mentioning, he was talking like you're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were mentioning the Ford Contour. In fact, a lot of the dials and stuff in The Noble, they're from the Ford Contour.

Oh, really?

Yeah, it's actually, I think it's the European version of the Ford Contour. I don't really specifically know, but I know for a fact. I think the steering column, the shroud and all that stuff, is from a Contour.

I know what you're talking about, and I can't remember what it's actually called over there, but yeah, it's more sporty over there than it was over here. Yeah, and I can't remember what the f*** they call it.

The engine, the 3.0 liter in Europe, it was the Ford... What is the other Ford? They call it the Mondeo?

Yes, that's what it is. It's the Mondeo, I think.

That's the Ford Taurus, though. That's the version of the Taurus. That's that 3.0 liter V6. I don't know what they call the Contour over there, but it is a different name. Then they took the transmission out of something, and then the taillights of the Hyundai Sonata. But most of the s***, most of the internal, you'll get in the Noble, and you'll be like, oh, well, s***. It's totally a Contour from the 90s or whatever. And one of the dials, the selector switch for the comfort controls, the comfort in the Noble.

I was comfortable in that car. And a four hour drive we did from California to Vegas, I was comfortable. Surprisingly.

And being a bigger dude and being a taller dude, it was, I mean, surprising. It was fine.

I saw it at Fast and Furious this last year. I saw your car and I looked inside. I was like, there's no way Jeff rides in this thing. I'm like, oh my God.

It's funny watching me, or so I have heard, it's funny watching me get in and out of that vehicle. I mean, I'm so quick at it now at this point, but first, as it should be, but I go in and go in. Dead lift, 700, so it's, of course, my butt's going to grow. But getting in and out of the car can be a challenge, especially after leg day, where if you have a leg injury or anything like that. But I watch smaller people than all three of us, even like, what's his name, Trey down there, somebody his size. Smaller dude should be very limber, but they struggle. They're like, how the hell do I, how do I do this?

There's an art to getting into, there's a video that went viral, some chick talking about how to get into supercars last year. I'm sure if you saw it, you'd recognize it. But it's like, there is a little bit of an art to getting into it. Nowadays, I should be able to, you know what the hardest car for me to get into is? Is probably the Lotus Elise. That car's a m***********.

Well, it's such a short car, right? So, I also have the same problem with the AMG, the baby AMG, as it were, because it's such a short wheelbase, short car, and then it's got four doors. So the doors are like this frickin long.

Yeah, I remember that.

Yeah, so like you get in, you're just like, eh, eh.

You have to get around the pillar. I did that with my GTI too, but again, the seats are all the way back. But yeah, getting around that little B pillar is a pain in the a**.

Yeah, and you hit your head on the way in all the time.

I did that on my mom's Wrangler, actually. I was getting out of it, and I just turned real quick and just whacked, bending my glasses. I thought I broke them.

Do you have any issues with your Gladiator?

No, which is weird, but my mom's car is the Rubicon version, whatever, the slightly lifted one, and then also has bigger tires on there, so maybe that threw me off, because I bonked, I hit my head hard, dude. So that's why I started stuttering on the podcast. It's the real behind the scenes story.

Well, yeah, the trip, you know, that was fun, man. I still talk about it.

That was really, really fun. So that was like peak COVID, like December 2020. You know, we got a suite at Bellagio.

That was after we left California. We did some s*** down in California. We didn't do too much down in California. We had, you know, what's his face, Aaron come with us too. He rented that Camaro convertible, right? And then we went around, he tooled around in some of the mountains and stuff like that.

And we had I was freezing in the back of that stupid Camaro because we had the top down, because I couldn't fit in, fit with the, what's it called? The top up.

Yep.

Because you were literally just, yeah. But I was, you know, that it was still like, I want to say like 40, 50 degrees at night, you know, which, you know, Minnesota, no big deal, right? But that ocean air is a different level of cold. Yeah, that was, yeah, I was freezing my a** off in the back of that thing.

And we weren't going too terribly slow. I mean, it was a Camaro, so it's not like it was going super fast. I think it was a V6 Camaro.

It was.

Yeah.

Nothing's faster than a rental car, though.

Yeah. That's how it gets driven anyway.

When we were down there, he rented a car to follow me, so we could, you know, get some, he can get some rolling shots and stuff like that. And then he wanted to, you know, he's like, come on, we're out in California, let's go hit some roads. So we did. And, you know, we had fun, and we had some good food in California, too.

We had a Japanese curry, first time ever having Japanese curry.

Oh, I have been eyeballing their website. Like, I look at their website probably a couple of times a year. So it's a place called Coco Ichiban. When I was in the service, over in Japan, got addicted to this stuff. It's Japanese comfort food, Japanese curry. It's lovely. It's amazing. It's the best type of curry there is. Anyway, they have one or two in Hawaii and a couple in Florida, and I think they just opened one somewhere in Texas. But they don't have a big distribution network here in the United States yet. So they haven't opened it up. But I will buy a franchise for this place. Don't take it from me, anybody.

Do they have a franchise structure yet or now?

Not here in the United States yet.

I'm sure if you reached out and haggled.

Well, you go to their website and you look, like, do you franchise, blah, blah, blah? And they literally say on their website that they don't have the support structure here in the United States. But it is definitely one that I want to do, because Japanese culture here in Minnesota doesn't really exist. The Japanese food kind of sucks.

There's like a handful of, like, alright places from what I've heard.

They're decent. Yeah, but that's why when we went there, I'm like, oh, we have to go here. Then when we went to Vegas, we drove the car to Vegas. I'm like, alright, now we get some real food, because Minnesota has a decent food culture, like there's some good stuff, but it's few and far between. You're going to get a couple of decent Jamaican restaurants, a couple of decent Japanese restaurants. You get a ton of Vietnamese, I mean, obviously.

You have a strong culture.

You have Vietnamese, Lao, Thai, a lot of that. Partly because there was a lot of immigrants from issues back 30, 40 years ago. Other people can talk more about that, but we as a state took a lot of them in.

Minnesota has always had a pretty good refugee program. For example, my parents were Bosnian. A lot of my family, or all my family, is Bosnian. Minnesota is one of the places where a lot of us landed. We had the biggest density of Bosnians down in St. Louis. It is ridiculous. I'm not sure what their program looks like, but literally, it's little Bosnia there.

So is there a lot of good Bosnian restaurants in Minnesota, then?

No, I can't think of any. I know we have one store over here that got bought out by some dude. But if you go down to Iowa, there's a handful of good places. Actually, I think down in Rochester, there's a lot of us down there, too, from what I've heard.

Speaking of Bosnian food, I just got off the phone with your dad earlier. And he's like, yeah, you don't have to come over, I'm going to throw some stuff on the grill, and stuff like that. And I'm like, well, make some Bosnian food. I'll make you a steak, dude. You can come to my house and make you a steak. I want you to make some Bosnian food. I didn't tell him that, but I said, of course.

Eric, who was on the podcast before, here too, episode 3, and I want to say 29. But he tried some of our stuff, too. He was a fan. That's the thing, I think you and Eric are fairly similarly minded, as in, you want to try other culture stuff.

Yeah, and if I don't like it, I want to have it again. But I want to try it.

I'm in the same boat. I want to try all of it.

Yeah.

That Chinese restaurant we went to in Vegas, dude. First of all, for anybody who hasn't been to Vegas, or if you've been there and you haven't explored enough, you have to go off the strip.

Oh yeah.

You have to. I learned that lesson. Go on with you.

Chinatown this last time was out of control. That was so good. The food was amazing. The nightlife was great.

I wish we went to the place that we went to, though. We just didn't have time.

I mean, I get messages a couple of times a month from people saying I'm going out of going out of state or, you know, where should I go to take my, you know, my girlfriend or whatever, you know, I, I like it. Like I literally have places in almost every state that I have like either been to or are going to. I've done my own research. I've looked into things. And it's all tagged on like my Google Maps and stuff like that. So I have all these different.

Yeah, we could definitely hang out because I have the same thing. I don't travel to places. Literally go eat at a place.

Well, then we're going to have to compare notes.

I want to go try some New Haven pizza now after watching Dave Portnoy and all that.

I'm on a cut right now. Talking about food, I've got my meal prep sitting right here. I'm like, I'm going to wait till we're done. I'm going to starve myself. I'm on like an 800 calorie deficit right now.

He's getting angry here.

Well, that's my secret captain. I'm always angry. But yeah, no, Vegas.

It's called Shaolongbao, I think, right?

Shaolongbao, yes. So living in China, working living in China. I say I lived in China, but I mean, it was really, I was there. You know, I stayed in a long term Howard Johnson Hotel, the Hojo, in the south of Shanghai. And I was working on these jet engine testing facilities. So think of like a jet engine dino. It was super cool. Yeah.

Yeah.

So you take the engine off and then you put it up. Yep.

And photo. I've been there.

We were commissioning these facilities. It was cool.

How do they measure that? They just got like a fan that they're holding back there to measure?

Yeah, exactly. Just one large fan.

One of those pinwheels you can pick up at the grocery store?

No, it measures the thrust by pressure essentially. So you mount the engine up to this big structure, and then it mounts to that structure, and then the structure via the thrust, so once the engine starts going, the thrust goes back, and it measures the pressure against that. So that's how you know, you know, if you have like a GE90 engine, then it's got 100,000 pounds of thrust. So that's how it's all measured. But then they, you know, they take all sorts of different readings and stuff like that. So engines gotta come off, you know, regulations for the FAA and rules for engines. So it's very, very strict. So that's what I was doing over there. It was super cool. But the other thing was getting, you know, getting into the cultures. You know, I got the weekends off generally. I go up to Shanghai, you know, this is before I was married, you know, I was dating some some gals in the area. They were showing me around and local breweries and, you know, you don't think, you know, people think a lot of negatively about China because of the recent COVID stuff.

Well, it's just media in general. Like, you know, us versus them, all that stuff.

And I mean, at the end of the day, most of them are just citizens, right? Just like here, like people think negative like in the United States. But people just want to f****** live, man, like at the end of the day, right? So they do have a wonderful culture in their own. They are perceived as rude by the Western culture, but once you understand why, then it becomes normal, right? It's just, that's how it is. So for us, we would be like, well, that was rude, but it's just how they are.

There's a lot of Americans that I hate, too.

Oh yeah, we're rude as s***.

We're rude.

We're terrible. You go to Japan, we're hated. Not hated, but we're loud, we're obnoxious, we're entitled. Yeah, it's bad.

It all comes down to culture, too. I had a little bit of a culture shock growing out through middle school because how my parents were raising me and then seeing how the schools operate. You wouldn't think much of it, but it's like, oh, my parents are straight to the point, like, hey, just do it. Whereas schools would negotiate with you, like, come on, little Timmy, do this. And I was just like, well, mom, then my teacher tells me this. This is an actual conversation I had in seventh grade, being like, they had to explain what tough love was to me. And it's really just a cultural difference. So I totally get that when it comes from China and America.

Or just different cultures in general. Our culture, we have a big cultural shift going on right now, but that's another conversation for another time. Of course, you know, I don't want to get into too much of that. But, you know, on that, the food side, we are a big, or going back to the food side, we're a big melting pot. So we have all the foods. We have all the cultures. That creates social issues that no other country has, frankly. But it also brings a lot of good. You know, I don't know too much about the Bosnian culture, but I do because of you. I don't know too much about other cultures, but I do because of people that are in my circle and stuff like that. Of course, I'm a lot more well traveled than many, you know, living in China, India, you know, Puerto Rico. I lived in Japan, obviously I married into the Japanese culture multiple times. I have an ex-wife who is full Japanese. My current wife now is half Japanese, and that was a coincidence. That wasn't an intentional plan. It was just a coincidence. But yeah, I mean, so I know the culture very well because of that. And then, I mean, multiple different countries, as you know. So the the food, though, in the United States, because of that, we have such a lovely culture for food. And... Yeah, Las Vegas is the place to go. Las Vegas, some places in California.

I imagine New York has a pretty good melting pot.

New York does as well, but it's not nearly as easy to get around or easy to access. And that's why I say Las Vegas, because you can get literally everything there.

Within just a couple mile walk.

Yeah, and it's cheap as f***. Go on to those, what are the slot games on your phone, right? My wife plays these slot games, and she just sits there, and she's got like some millions of points, and she's got like, oh yeah, I got like a week free vacation stay at these hotels, and like, hey, I could take a cruise for, you know, whatever, for this amount of tickets. I'm like, what? She just sits there on her phone, dinks around playing these slots, doesn't spend any money on it. But yeah, you can get free night stays at these hotels. Like the Bellagio, like what we stayed at. Remember, we rented a suite down there.

It was a suite, had a steam shower and everything.

Yeah, it was super boomerish, you know, like really old school, like the, I mean, it was like discolored, like this maroon color, but like paisley, everything. You remember that?

Yeah.

But it was like nice, like it wasn't like grandma's couch.

Yeah, it wasn't like bad boomerish. It was bougie boomerish.

We took advantage of that steam shower, but also it's like not together.

My mind went there right away.

I shouldn't say we.

I mean, yeah, but no judgment.

But no, it's like again, peak COVID. So things were cheap. I think we got that sweet for I want to say like 300 a night, 350. I remember, which is what a motel costs in this economy.

Right now it would be like 800 bucks or something.

Easy.

Yeah.

Well, that was right before New Year's too.

Like, because wasn't it? Was it after New Year's?

It was just after Christmas.

Yeah, because we went down to I went down. So I was in I was in Miami. Miami, Miami. I was down there and then I saw the car pop up and it was blue with HRE custom HRE wheels, seven, eight thousand miles on the thing. And I'm like, I was on vacation with my family. Like, f***, this is the one wasn't red, wasn't, you know, modified to hell, had didn't have high miles, looked great. So I told my wife, I was like, I'm going to fly from our vacation here in Miami and I'm going to go check out this car. And then you get to deal with the kids on the way home. I'm super supportive. Awesome. Thanks, Vera. She's actually, you know, a little, again, a little shout out to her. She's been very supportive of my, my habits and stuff like that. Not only just cars, but also my nutrition and fitness and stuff like that. So kudos to her. But I left. I went to Lent and Long Beach. The guy was actually kind of funny. The guy was coming back from the East Coast and he's like, yeah, just match my flight. So I matched his flight. We both landed within an hour of each other. And I think I was waiting for a little bit. And then he got off his flight and I met him at the front. And he just picked me up at Tesla and drove me to his house. I looked at the car. I'm like, yep, it's a Noble. This is what I want. This is exactly what I want. Told him I'm going to buy it. He wasn't listed on one of those bidding websites, but he had made more money because he didn't have to pay their commission, their website commission. So he made some more money on it. Good for him.

It was a decent price you got for it.

I was going to ask you, can I ask? Yeah. What do you pay for that?

They run anywhere from, I mean, I've seen them go as low as 50 into the high 40s, if they're like high mileage, like s*** condition. That's mainly in the UK though, but in the United States, you know, you don't see them go under 50. I paid about 60 for this one. It was 60 for this one. And again, low mileage. Like if I was to resell, if it was to be resold right now, that same car, it would probably be 68, somewhere around there. So I haven't lost any money, but I have lost money because I had to spend $15,000 on an engine build, but you know, there is that. And I put, you know, 10,000 miles on a car. But I think I'd be able to get most of my money back on that car. But it's not a car that I went with the intention to invest with. This is a long term car for me.

There's still, when you're collecting cars, you're into cars, there's still certain ones that like, yeah, you'll spend a lot of money along the way. You'll do this stuff. But typically when you get ready to sell it, you don't really lose a lot on what you initially invested in the car.

Especially some of these like exotics, right? Or rare model cars and stuff like that.

Yeah. So you'll spend, you know, 10, 15 grand here and there doing engine work or upgrades or stuff like that. But then when it comes time to dump it, it's not like the car itself depreciated by half like a lot of your other standard consumer cars.

Right, right.

So.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you go like you look at like any new car, there's the depreciation, initial depreciation hit. But if you're dealing with like a used exotic supercar, used, you know, rare model vehicle car, you know, yeah, you're not going to lose much. I bought that Jag for, I think I bought it for 45. Somewhere around there. Didn't too much. It was XFRS, one out of 200 in the country. Awesome vehicle. I miss it. Makes me fart was the license plate, of course. Maximum effort, but it looked like makes me fart. You should put that license plate up on the, on your little screen for your podcast. People can see the license plate makes me fart.

So we kind of glossed over that car. So kind of explain what that car was. And of course the wrap, because that's right around when I met you. And I was like, this guy is scary.

That was the first picture. I'm not scary anymore. I'm bigger now. Yeah, so that car, one of 200 in the country. It was the supercharged V8, about 550 horsepower or whatever. Same engine like the SVRs or whatever. Might be a little variable difference, but don't quote me, Jag nerds.

Yeah, those guys are a cult, aren't they?

Yeah, definitely is. I mean, but it was a wonderful car. I wanted something different.

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So I had the Jag. I needed a four-door car, because, you know, family and real estate and stuff like that. So I'm like, I needed something different. Vera didn't have her escape at the time, or she had her escape at the time, but she didn't have the AMG at the time. I got that around COVID. Actually, I'll go on to that in a second. But the Jag, you know, I bought that, because I needed something a little bit bigger, and ended up going on the Internet. I was looking at like a Panamera. I was looking at an M5. Had to be a manual, of course, if it was an M5. The Panamera didn't have the time, the budget that I wanted to stay under. I wanted to be around like 50, 55. It didn't have the rear bench seating. It had that console on the center, so I got two people in the back. Hindsight's 2020. Would that have really mattered? Not really, but it was something that kind of swept me away from the Panamera. And then the BMW, I was like, man, I already got a BMW. I need another one. Like, let's do something different. I was scrolling through. I think it was CarGurus or some website.

The best site ever.

Yeah, it's awesome. I love the analytics on there. And so, I mean, that helps, you know, helps and hurts my issues, my addiction. Yeah, car shopping addiction. I just searched for like V8, four door and then whatever. And then I was just scrolling through and I saw this beautiful red, you know, just amazing red car. And it had like this, the angle of the picture, it was long, long hood, bumps in the hood, like black wheels. I'm like, oh, I was like, it was 40, 45 grand or something like that. 47, it was like 47 or something. And I click on it, I'm like, man, this is sweet. And I had a buddy who was still in the Marines down in, he's, I think he's still in today. He's probably going to be retiring soon. But anyway, he's still in and he's down stationed in California. I call him up and say, hey, I got this Jag at this place right near your base. You go check it out for me. Go kick the tires. Absolutely. That sounds fun. He's not a big car guy, but he's like, yeah, we'll go check out a f****** Jaguar. Hell yeah, dude. They go drive it for me, tell me if it sucks, you know, whatever. So he went, took, you know, took it for a spin. He's like, this thing's amazing, right? He's like, no problems with it. So I sent a check to the dealer and the car got shipped. And I never drove it until it got delivered. Funny thing is it got delivered on the same day as Jesse Lawrence, you know Jesse Lawrence. He got the first gen, was it the F90 M5? Like a 2018 M5. And I felt kind of bad because that M5, I felt kind of crummy because that M5 was faster, way faster than the Jag. Even though the Jag was 550, it's a newer car, his was a newer car, different technology. Mine was a 2015. But mine sounded way better. We actually have a rev-off that we did that same day. My car got delivered at Sears Imports down in Minnetonka there. And I think his car, we picked up his car earlier at BMW Minnetonka, and we drove it to go pick up my car and hung out for the day and whatnot.

When he sold that car and he ended up getting the RS6 Avant, he's like, I miss my BMW.

Yeah, he's had a couple BMWs. He's had a couple BMWs.

A handful of M5s, I think.

Yeah, M5. I think he had an X5M as well. I think he f****** hated that thing. But he had the RS7 Avant. Does he still have it?

RS6 Avant, yeah.

RS6, that's what I said.

I don't know. I can't remember. Every once in a while, I chat with him.

He's doing his thing.

But yeah, so did you modify the Jag at all? I think you did, right?

Pulley, tune, and of course, I had to go dual cone intakes, which people don't like. Heat soak, stuff like that. I didn't care. I wanted the noise. Like dude, that supercharger whine. It sounds like those cats, you know, yelling. It was fun. I love that car.

What was it making power wise? You remember roughly?

Yeah, it's like 520 to wheels.

To the wheels, okay.

Yeah, but it was the torque was nuts.

Well, we raised what it was. So when we did our tail of the dragon trip a handful of years ago, when who was it? Sean got chocolate on your seats. Was that?

Yeah, we went to the tail of the dragon in that car, didn't we? We did a couple rallies.

We did a little race in that car too. I was riding shotgun. I think you raced, was it Terry's NSX?

Terry's NSX, that new gen NSX.

Yeah.

I don't know if he had modified, you know, modified. I think he returned it back to stock. But yeah, we raced to a liberal speed, if you will. I mean, yeah.

We don't incriminate on this podcast.

We raced to the speed limit of the Autobahn. And yeah, I mean, you were there. It pulled on it. You know, he started catching up, I think. You know, I think the Jag started kind of running out of steam.

At a certain speed.

At a certain speed. And the NSX, obviously, with the electric motors and the aero and stuff like that, it would start pulling a little bit. But yeah, I mean, instantly off. And then pulled, pulled, pulled.

And it's all wheel drive, too, right?

No.

The Jag's rear. It's rear wheel drive, okay.

Yeah. So I did a quarter mile on Crown Rally. So you know, you had asked about the wrap, too. So initially, this was when Deadpool 1 had came out, like around that time. And I'm a big Deadpool. I've always been a big Deadpool fan. Kind of a nerd, you know, Star Trek, Star Wars, you know, Marvel, all that kind of stuff. And so I'm like, you know, this is a red car. I'm going to wrap it Deadpool version. Because there was only really one other car that had ever done some other fun wraps. And that was 8-bit, the GTR, the R32 GTR. He did like this wild and crazy, like a bunch of like video game stuff on his R32. I was like, you know, I'm going to do something kind of cool. So I did a themed Deadpool wrap where I took Deadpool's logo and I had the wings, you know, the Crown Rally wing thingies on there. And, you know, then I put the hashtag drive by because, you know, in Deadpool, he walks by the, by his landlord farts and goes hashtag drive by. And then my license plate happened to be like doubled up, like maximum effort. I went all out. I got maximum effort for the license plate or MXM EFRT. So if you look at it, yeah, somebody, when I got it, I took a picture, put it on Facebook. People were like, makes me fart. Let's roll with it. Yeah, it is. It makes me fart now. So, and people still poke fun at me about that one. But it's cool because it also said hashtag drive by right underneath that. And then the car was farty as hell. You remember that thing. I was going to do down pipes or not down pipes, but headers and exhaust, because that car sounded so good. Jags in general sound really good. But this thing, man, that's one thing I miss. Starting that thing up. And then the pops and cracks and stuff. AMG just doesn't do it. But yeah, I love that car. The Deadpool wrap, the color itself. My BMW is that Sedona red, which is a lovely color, but it's not that same Jaguar red. I shouldn't have sold it to the guy, but he loves it. He's down in Utah. The guy's got it. It was actually kind of cool. He hit me up sometime last year, and he was driving. He's got a buddy that lives up here, so he drove the car up, and I met him for breakfast. I got to see the car again, and yeah, he's doing some stuff to it, so he's taking care of it. I love it. I loved it, yeah. But yeah, that rally was fun. Eric Dunn probably still hates me, you know, because I let some stuff go in that vehicle. You know, he didn't like the smell. We had a good time. I think we're going to be doing another trip soon, too.

Yeah, the Niagara one, I think, right?

Yeah, we're doing that. I'm not going to take any of my vehicles this time, though. I'm going to go with Tony. He's got a...

Ride shotgun.

Yeah, well, switch drivers.

Yeah.

One of his cars.

Passenger princess, I get it.

Well, that's what I am. I'm really good at that.

Pretty.

Yeah, that'll be a cool trip. I won't be attending that one, but yeah, I know that the Tailor Dragon trip was really fun in a small group. Actually, since that trip, I won't necessarily get into the podcast, but I do like doing those small group rallies.

They're so much better. I mean, honestly, it is fun doing those rallies. Have you ever done... Did you end up doing one of the rallies?

I didn't. Not for Crown. It was always on the list, and then it kind of fell apart there a little bit. Sure.

He's done most of my rallies over the years.

Yeah, I've done...

But you've done so much rallies.

Absolutely.

You've done so many rallies. Yeah, so it's a different way rather than... It's fun because of different activities, planned events, but it's a lot of people. Crown ended up getting too clicky, and it was really obnoxious. There was a couple of people that I just was like, but 90%, 95% of the people were wonderful, but it got very busy. There was so much going on, and you get super tired because you're trying to party and drink and party and drink and not drive drunk, but party late.

You got to get the next morning and launch, and then sometimes there's a track event after that, and then you're like dehydrated.

So anyway, amazing without a doubt, but you do get tired real quick when you party hard.

Oh, for sure. Amazing. Especially at my age, especially get older. It's worse back in the military. It's like a party until two, three o'clock in the morning, get drunk as hell, and I'd be up for PT at four o'clock in the morning, running around like an idiot, you know, smelling like booze. But now, now I can't do that. I drink a beer and I have a headache for a year. It sucks. But yeah, the small group setting stuff, like you just plan an event with people that are like minded that have similar driving styles, similar tastes. That's a huge part of driving style. I mean, you can, like you got some friends that, they're friends, you'll spend time with them, but you get them behind a wheel. It's like, you're an idiot. Like, what are you, what are you doing? You know, I think it was one time too, when you and I were driving down in Texas, it was like, dude, what are you doing? You're not an idiot. But it was just one little thing.

And I'm like, it was a miscommunication sort of thing.

It broke, I mean, some, sometimes it happens and we're adults and we, we resolved it pretty quick, but it is what it is. But we would be able to drive together pretty well because we were now driven together.

You get the general idea. That was, that Texas trip was a lot. There was a lot of people trying to do different things. That was my, our first year going to Texas 2K. And-

You were with the, what's his face, Sean, right?

Right, Sean, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was just, it's hard to coordinate groups when people wanna do different things.

That was a total different entity versus like us going down with like, you know, Trong, Terry, Tony, you know, Eric, Don, a couple other folks.

We had one single mission, get the tail to the dragon, have fun.

And it wasn't, there was no timeline, right? We had a timeline. Rough. But it was like, we were also kinda playing it by ear. You know, like, we don't need to be here at this time. We don't need to do this, you know. And Trong, you know, being the kind of, also the food nerdy he is, you know, he likes playing in that kind of stuff. So you're looking for restaurants and we're just hanging out at the hotel, having some beers or, you know, it's not, there's no pressure. You know what I mean? Like with the rally, there's a ton of pressure. Like, let's go, let's go.

This time, this time, this time.

Yeah.

And there's a time and place for it, right? Cause like I'm involved with CarMunity this year, running two of their events. So it's like, there's an element of structure that's really nice. And granted, we don't have the whole partying aspect too, which kinda helps you. I mean, we'll party.

Well, it's a different lifestyle version. And Crown was trying to make their baby gold rush, if you will, trying to have that lifestyle stuff.

And it ended up being the biggest rally in the country at one point.

Yeah, they succeeded for what it was worth, so.

Well, Smith dropped a little tidbit a couple episodes ago now. You good?

Yeah, I'm just trying to sit up and make sure it's close to me.

You're good. But he dropped a little tidbit that they are coming back.

Good for them. I hope so.

It'll be interesting to see.

Yeah.

Yeah, but until then, I'm gonna run these two with CarMunity, which I think we should still have a hundred dollar coupon or whatever from Minnoxide. I don't know, I'll have to check with Dan. But nonetheless, I'm excited, because every year I try to do at least one rally.

Is the 10,000 Lakes Rally?

It's rebranded as CarMunity. We're doing a rally now.

Okay, are you doing some of the stuff with them too?

Yeah, I am running both rallies. I'm consulting slightly with, yeah.

Nice.

Cool.

Well, it's like, I've done these, what, five, six years now. It's like, I know what, like what I want to do. Christ, I always say that I'm not gonna talk about rallies and always end up coming.

Well, it's part of the CarMunity. It's part of the local community.

It is Minnesota culture. Like we are, like, if you were to-

There's a s*** ton of rallies.

Yeah, like we have G-Force. We had, you know, My Rally, Venom Rally, you know, which was, you know, slash Whiplash Rally, following here, which a lot of people say it was one of the best ones they've attended. You know, the small group we had.

I was looking forward to it too.

Yeah, well, yeah, North, but South, the one that actually did happen before I decided to get out of the rally game for a year.

Yeah.

Yeah, cause I actually got a lot of recommendations from Trung on that one. The hotel we stayed at in Nashville was a Trung recommendation.

Yeah, he loves Nashville. Yeah, he's a Nashville hound.

It's a good time, but we ended up there during CMT Fest. So it got way crowded real bad. It's already hard to get. It was a good time. I had a blast. Yeah. It's already hard to get into those bars to begin with though, or then, you know, throw another 40,000 people in there.

Right on that strip.

Yeah.

It's busy s***.

We got one of the nicest hotels on Broadway during CMT. And I was like, well, is it CMT? Country Music Festival?

Yeah. It was, it's CMT Fest. It's a...

Whatever, country, whatever.

It just happened again here not that long ago.

But yeah, no, that was a fun one. And like I've been on Crown Rallies before. I've done, you know, Joey's early renditions of G-Force. Like it's, we are kind of like a rally state for whatever reason.

Well, I mean, you got Cannonball. I mean, he was.

Oh yeah, that's right.

Tyler, you know, the Minnesota Cars and Coffee stuff. You know, that's one of the OG, you know, big shows here in Minnesota. You know, I remember when it started, you know, Cars and Coffee started back at, you know, literally a coffee shop in Chanhass, and then it went to Motorplex, and then it's changed, you know, places and whatnot. You know, the other guy, Lewis, I don't know if he's too involved with that anymore, but Tyler started doing the Cannonball rally after he started seeing some of the success from Crown Rally, which not to say like he was trying to mimic it, but it's like, hey, I can do this.

Rallies have been around since the 1900s.

Yeah, it's not like a unique, you know, idea. Right. And then I remember one of the first, the first Crown Rallies, do you know Haley?

Yeah.

Yeah, the Polar Run. She came back from like her first Crown Rally, and she's like, she's still high off the adrenaline, like, oh my God, this is super fun. Let's do a winter rally. And then there goes the Polar Run Rally, which is also a fun one. If you've never done it, it's a good time.

I've been trying to do it for like the last two or three years, and I have something that comes up, I can't do it.

Yeah, it sucks. You should do it. I mean, if you can.

No, I want to.

Yeah, it's a good time.

I have trucks and stuff too, so that'd be fun. My plan was to throw my snowmobile in the back of my Super Duty and go do it.

See, I should have done something like that, because we took our Mercedes a couple years ago, and I was riding with my wife, obviously, and then there's other friends we had, and we went up to a loot scenario or whatever, and we followed Google, and I was with, oh man, I'm blanking on it.

Oh, f***, it's another Android guy. He always likes to remind me when our guests have Android, he's like, oh, superior Android or whatever.

It's definitely superior.

Definitely superior. Yeah, it's fine.

Yeah, I want you to airdrop something to my MacBook over here. Let me know how that goes.

Oh, yeah, well, I don't need to do that.

Okay, fair enough.

Anyways, I'll send you a link. Andy, Andy from MNNI, he and I, he has a G37 all wheel drive. We both had great snow tires in the car, and we, Google, ended up getting us down a snowmobile trail. I have never had such, I mean, I've driven in China and India and like Puerto Rico and other places and Japan, like some sketchy places, and I have never white knuckled it that bad, I mean, that fricking bad. Because I mean, if you're on a snowmobile trail, it's a legit road, right? But it ultimately is a snowmobile trail during the winter. So I mean, it's like a dirt road, and Google has it listed as a f****** road.

Yeah, they just don't plow it, they'll groom it for snowmobiles. Yeah, right. Yeah.

So it's just snowmobiles during the winter. We didn't know that. We just went down the road and, you know, whatever. So we were driving three or four miles. Couldn't turn around, had to go forward. This sucked. Luckily, I had the Hackepallitas on the car and it was it trucked through. Some snowmobiles came by, flipped us off because we were in the way. I'm like, sorry, dude, we're idiots. You know, nothing we could do. But we there was there was so many times from just like sliding, you know, the weight of the car has taken us into the ditch, but we were able to get out and it was terrible. But at the end of the day, it made a good story and we had a good time. But I guess somebody had the year prior, somebody had went down that trail or one of those trails, not that specific trail perhaps, but went down one of those trails and got stuck. They had a call like a trail groomer and like a truck. I mean, we're talking thousands of dollars of and we're talking like hours to be sitting there. So I'm glad we didn't get stuck, but it was it was an experience. Yeah, but if I had a snowmobile, it would have been a little better, right? Yeah, it was it was a good way. So if you had the chance, you should you should definitely go and Haley's Haley's good people.

So we have several of our friends. Kenny and Gary ran that one this year.

Yeah, yeah, guys.

Paul Rody Paul Rody was on it with his daughter. Yeah, so I wanted to go.

But yeah, well, next time you go. All right.

Yep. Sounds good. All right.

Here we go.

Yeah, something almost happens every single time.

What's that?

Just scheduling wise, something happens every single time. It's like, all right, we'll go do it, you know, because tickets aren't that expensive either for that one.

No, they're cheap. I mean, it's more all a card, I think, you know, but it's not like it's as paid for, you know, in regards to the lunches and dinner.

Yeah, it was one that I was going to bring my two oldest daughters on because it was like they tell them all about this rally stuff. It's like a single most favorite thing to do with my car. So I was like, this would be a really good one to bring. It's more family friendly. It would be a good time. So that was the plan. Yeah. But we were actually, I remember now I had to cruise to Mexico. So that's where I was.

Yeah, he came back all nice and orange.

Yeah.

He looked like the seats.

That was speaking of that culture shock stuff, my wife and I got off of... Where were we? Mazatlan? I think it was Mazatlan. And instead of going where the tourists go, we decided we're just going to walk into town, sit down at a restaurant and get some food. And I tell you what, I see people in this country here, and they come in, they barely speak the language or other stuff. I have a whole other level of respect for that now, because I literally like... I had no freaking clue. They can't communicate with me. I can't communicate with them. I just want to eat some food. It was like a whole thing that I've never had to experience before.

Well, us as Americans, we go out of the country, and you have the ability in many places to locate an English speaker, or they have English menus or whatever.

They did, which I didn't know. They found a guy in the back. They brought him out, so we were able to translate eventually.

But imagine on your point, right? Imagine that you are from wherever the hell, you can't read English, and nobody's... I mean, how many people do you know that speak Chinese? Besides people who are Chinese. How many people speak Bosnian, besides Bosnian folks, or Japanese, or whatever language?

They're not going to walk into an Applebee's and find a guy in the back that speaks Chinese.

Yeah, exactly. So to that point, it definitely does give you that perspective. That's a good way to put it.

Food was delicious, by the way.

Yeah. Oh, hell yeah, it better have been. That's one thing I like about traveling, you know, in the military, or when I was out of work, in work, traveling all over countries, traveling on somebody else's dime. I tried to tell young folks, like, get in the military, go travel, eat food, do a job for a while that gets you out of the state, you know, get doing other things, enjoy your, enjoy your young life where you can, travel as much as you can, because then it gives you perspective, right? Perspective on life. And how people live.

I wish you got around to me, because like when you were trying to bark out my tree about that, I was already like three quarters the way through college. I was like, you know what, this is already done for. But if you find somebody like you on the, on the young front, which by the way, college, I could have just ended up going into the trades and been a million, a billion, I've been a millionaire by now. But anyways, yeah, somebody young, like you said, it's like you got this like paycheck, steady paycheck, get all these extra benefits that, you know, come with it. And then, like you said, if you were to do it all over again, you would have spent your time and money investing as well.

Did I get that right? More earlier, right?

Right.

Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody can always say hindsight is 20-20. I would have done this, would have done this. But yeah, of course, like if that was the case, then everybody would know. But I can only influence the future, right? I can't influence the past, but I can learn from the past, as we all know. So, you know, when I, you know, I was mentioning earlier, like I'm a power lifter trainer at Crunch and Naval Grove. And I picked that up, you know, kind of because in real estate, you know, it fluctuates, it goes up and down. There's some times when it's not as busy as other times and whatnot. So, you know, I picked that up because it's an ultimate passion. You know how passionate I am about lifting and especially eating. So that's why I'm a power lifter, because I like to eat. But I also coach the trainers there. They're all young. I mean, they're in like 20 years old kids, you know, they have no life experience, no work experience beyond, you know, their parents' house. And maybe some of them have varying degrees of like finances from their parents and not so much. But I tell all of them, well, you should be doing this. You should be doing this. This is the stuff that I didn't do when I was young. Please, please do this. And I coach them on, you know, how to build plans for their clients and how to deal with difficult people and stuff like that. Because you just don't develop the social skills. Kind of like, you know, what you're kind of learning with the podcast, right? I mean, like, your vocalization and your articulation has changed exponentially over the years.

Well, it's part of it. I literally describe it as learning how to talk. Because like when I sometimes like listen to people that are two, three, four years younger than me, I'm like, Oh, I remember when I was like that.

Or you didn't take social cues properly.

Yeah, exactly.

And all that stuff, right?

Yeah. And you know, it's like I, you know, maybe it's a little bit of an ego thing. I always thought that I was a little bit ahead of most people just because like I've been kind of talking for a living since I was 13, right? Whether it was, you know, creating content or, you know, well, you naturally talk a lot anyway. What's that? Well, no, that did flip. That was not always the case. I was a super shy kid.

I always listen.

But the other thing I've learned with this podcast, too, is like, especially after like, I don't know if you remember, a few months ago, I posted on my Facebook, I'm like, hey, what's everybody's favorite interviewer? You know, because when you see like, what was it? King. Larry King? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I struggle on the first name, but yeah, it's like one of the best interviewers of all time. And when he was on a interview, I want to say it was Conan or something. It's like, what makes for a good interview? It's like, just shut up and listen. That's basically what it is.

Well, you can learn something, and I tell my kids this. I tell everybody this, like in training or whatever it may be. If this comes up, I always say this. You can learn something from everybody. And inherently, people want to talk. Inherently, people want to be heard. In relationships, I'll talk about marriage relationships and stuff like that. A lot of communication breakdown happens because people aren't f****** heard, right? They aren't heard. Or they don't feel like they aren't heard. Or they're not, or in general. So if you're communicating that you're not being heard, then they're neglecting or whatever, so that can break down. Not just marriages, but friendships or anything like that. So people want to be heard, and if you listen, you can get perspective, and that can give you a whole new idea on different things. So as I said, people want to be heard. So if you're listening to what people say and actually attempting to articulate it and assimilate it and put it somewhere in there and use it for future.

Actually process it.

Yeah, and it opens up a whole new way of just thinking and speaking to people.

The best thing you could ask somebody is, am I making sense to you? Do you understand?

Very good. Asking for feedback, right?

Because if you're just ranting and ranting and ranting, you have to pause, be like, is this getting through to you? Because A, they've either checked out or they aren't getting it.

Do the gloss over or whatever.

All they're thinking about is what they're going to say next.

Or what food they're about to eat or something like that. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. That's one of the more difficult parts of doing this, though, is being able to listen, but also be like, all right, how do I follow this up?

Something on cue, yeah.

Which is hard, right? Because in most conversations nowadays, people are thinking, what am I going to say next? They hear the first three words of what you say and it's like, all right, we've got to figure out how to respond to that first part. You missed the 80% of the other conversation. That's probably the hardest part about it. And maybe you're getting this into your 20 episodes deep now, Dan.

It's been 20 episodes? I watch most or listen to most of them, but I guess I haven't been counting. That's awesome.

Sean left episode 45 was his last. I was a Travis Stewart. He gets mad when I f*** it up.

And then I f*** it up every time then.

We're doing a cool rap for him because he's doing the rally. We're going to do some really cool stuff with his car.

Nice. Put a big boner on the side or something.

Yeah, we'll make it happen. And then Dan came on episode 55 with Mike Johnson. So yeah, I did 10 episodes, 9 episodes solo. And that was another learning experience. Again, it's learning how to talk. And you being around... We're coming back to the training thing. If you're trying to train other people, you also have to learn too.

You learn about different styles of people talking. I mean, I speak differently. You may not have to drive the conversation nearly as much with me as other people.

Put a quarter in, yeah.

Or you might have to keep me back on track more than other people. I might get off on a wild tangent about certain things. Everybody communicates differently. But back to the car stuff, we should go back to that.

We'll come back to that.

You've been doing a really good job of circling back, by the way. You'll go off on a little tangent, and be like, okay, the question you asked me was this.

I try to do that because I do ultimately want to get to it, but then there's like, well, there's this point here, there's this point here. Let's just grab all of them and put them in a basket and talk about them.

Well, it's your sales background, right?

Yeah.

That happens all the time in real estate events, which by a house room, guys. But in one thing that you said earlier, something about difficult clients, by the way. I was just curious, just because in the back of my head, I know some people resonate with that because a lot of our listeners have businesses or work with clients or whatever. How do you train people to work with difficult clients, I suppose?

Oh, it's... There's so many variables.

Yeah.

Right. I mean, at first, I speak to the person about what is going on, and I just ask questions. You know, what's going on, and then I throw out ideas. Have you tried this? Have you tried this? Have you tried this? You know, have you thought about it from this perspective? Have you asked these questions? Whatever it may be. So, I mean, it varies from situation to situation. You know, no one person is the same via, you know, a person dealing with a client or whatever. I mean, whether it's real estate clients. I mean, I coach, you know, younger agents and stuff like that. I coach people in personal training, you know, how to speak for personal training purposes and whatnot. And it's no, no person is the same. So it always is a case by case basis. But there's usually a common theme, and it's usually listen, relax. Don't shop with your own pocket. Don't train with your own goals in mind. Listen to what they need. That's the biggest.

That's a big thing, goals. And that same thing, and the reason I asked that is because that can apply to everything. Let's say you bring a car here to Ratify, which you should. Well, Brian May is here, so I have to. But it's like, that's one of the reasons that when I started coming to Rat, when I met him a handful of years, because Katie introduced me to Rat. Fun fact, he lives six houses down from me. I never met him. And she introduced me. And what I like about their approach, especially Sam over at the Chaska location, is they're listening to, well, A, where's my budget at? You know, like, you know, in the fix or whatever. But it's like, what's the most logical approach we can take here to solve your problem instead of trying to upcharge, or maybe you should do this or whatever. But like, if I wanted to say like, hey, I want to make 550 to the wheel on my cute little Volkswagen, you know, which I could. I'm not.

But here's the road map to it.

Here's the road map to it. Here's what we could do. Here's the logical ways to do it. Here's the dumb way to do it, where you're going to spend a lot more money, which is great for us. Or here's the way where, you know what, you're going to be happy with this trajectory. And that consultative approach, I think that's a word.

We'll go with that. If it isn't, it is now.

Yeah, whatever. We'll contact Oxford. But it's like, if you take that approach, it's a better experience for the owners involved and customer user, whatever.

Well, this is such a unique industry. I don't think I would ever want to be in any industry like this. I mean, by helping people buy or sell a house, like I'm not a salesperson. I don't tell people that.

You're a consultant, kind of?

I consult. Excuse me. I consult people. I protect them and their best interests. That's my job as a buyer's agent, as a seller's agent. It's marketing, more marketing, not necessarily sales. I'm not going to the buyer of a potential listing and saying, you need to buy this house, and here's why. Yeah, of course I'd market it. I highlight the positives and stuff like that, but I'm not dealing with them. I'm dealing with their agent. And there goes negotiations. Listening and manipulating that kind of stuff. Not manipulating in a bad way, but manipulating in good ways, of course. But this industry, f***, man. I know many owners of many different shops. You got Kevin, you got Seth, whatever you got. Well, you could throw a rock.

Ratt says there's like six Euro shops around here.

Yeah, and the big ones that I know is Kevin Tan and then Seth over at EuroTech and whatnot. And then I don't know Ratt very well, but we've been around and passing for a while. And especially if I had an Audi, I know that he would be the one that I would go to, especially for modifications and whatnot. But now that he's getting into other things, it's definitely a good option. I know a Mola doesn't do a ton of the aftermarket stuff. They do more bread and butter, especially Porsches and whatnot. More bread and butter is like maintenance and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Same thing with EuroTech. Love Seth, intelligent dude. He's actually a BMW trainer, like master tech trainer, so he knows his s***. But he runs a different style of business. He's not into the performance and modifications and stuff like that.

It's the stuff that keeps the lights on. I mean, usually.

The bread and butter, right? Yeah, oil changes, that kind of stuff. That pays the bills. And then, so shops like this, I'm sure Ratt does, I would assume, oil changes and stuff like that. Oh, that's neat.

A lot of that. And I really should redo the ad at some point. I told him I would. But yeah, the whole oil change, the bread and butter stuff, like come here and get your whatever done. It's not just a performance shop. I'd argue it's probably about 50-50.

Yeah. But he does more of that than more other shops do. I mean, he's known for it too, right?

Yeah, because AJ up the street as well, he kind of goes towards literally a mile and a half that way, I think. I literally took his, because he uses Rats Dino time to time. He had his M3 over here. I drove it over for him. I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll do it for free.

Oh, darn.

I wish I stepped on it, but again, not a long enough drive, because it was like a tuned up new G80.

And it's not warm, and it's not your car, and it's cold.

Exactly. If I could afford it, I'd be like, all right, we'll risk it.

Self-insure.

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, a lot of the guys, especially through recent economic everything, a lot of people are trying to do that bread and butter stuff.

Well, they should. I mean, you got to pay the bill somehow. Same thing with being real estate. I don't get paid unless I close. So I have a lot of people, they ask me advice, they ask me advice, they do this, and then they go off with somebody else. It's like, well, that sucks. People don't realize that. He probably gets the same kind of s***. Like, hey, what do you think about my broken car? I'm a garage mechanic, blah, blah, blah.

Tire kickers and all that.

Then he's like, he gives them advice, he spends 20 minutes giving them advice, whatever, walking them through, so that they can go f*** it up and then send it someplace else. That just sucks. I mean, that really just sucks.

It adds up, too, by the way.

Oh, yeah, especially. And he's dealing with this kind of industry. He's dealing with way more clients, more volume, right, than I am. He's dealing with way other, you know, way different, like, broad spectrum of people, where for me in my business, it is, when we're just talking strictly the real estate side, with me in that is, like, all of my stuff is referral based and people that want to work with me. You know, I, for me, with, like, difficult clients, like, I fired clients in the past before, but those are generally clients that, like, you know, we don't have a connection with. You know, we have a connection. You want to work with me because you trust me, you know me, and you know that I'm going to do right by your best interests. And I want to work with you because you're a cool dude. Or whatever. You know, I know that we're going to get along. I know it's going to be a good process for everybody. I know you're going to stab me in the back. There's a lot of snakes in the grass. And here, I can only imagine the stress that these kind of guys go through.

Well, like you said, volume, right? Like, think about, like, what's the cheapest house that you've sold? Maybe 200,000?

100 and, no, 99,000 was the cheapest condo I've sold.

What's the cheapest bill that you can get on a car here? It's like, you know, you can spend a thousand bucks, two thousand bucks.

Yeah, it's your margins, right?

You can probably spend 99,000, 100, you know, 99,000 too, if you want.

Dude, if I spend 99,000 on a Volkswagen, just know that other things are wrong.

The finances are a little different. I mean, you got people, you know, that can plop down, like you talk about Mueller and, you know, the Enth Moto folks and whatnot, and, or the folks.

Yeah, when you get into that 2,000 horsepower range, the six-digit builds, all that, yeah.

But again, like that, that's all, that's all relative, right? Relative to their finances versus this, you know?

Right.

Where you talk about like Bill Gates dropping a $20 bill, or a $100 bill, he ain't gonna pick it up, right?

No.

It's like, why? Like, my time's worth more than that.

But the wind.

Yeah.

Wind's cheaper.

Yeah, exactly. So it's all relative.

Exactly.

But as I said, like, the volume of people that these guys deal with is just like, is way higher. And I've heard about it, you know, from multiple different shop owners and stuff like that. You just got to keep that kind of stuff in mind. Ultimately, you know, the car community here is small, and you burn bridges. You know, I already, I see that all the time. You know, I know a bunch of mechanics at different shops, you know, Moe's mechanics and Moe himself and all those people. You know, I know some of the Eurocharge guys, and I know AJ, of course. And people burn bridges left and right all over the place. It's like, for what, though?

For what?

The way somebody described it to me is that Minneapolis and this whole metro is the biggest small city.

Especially in the car community.

Yeah, everybody knows everybody. And yeah, it gets around real quick.

Yeah.

It's a good community, but I mean, there's cliques and stuff like that, you know. It is what it is. And I've been a part of that kind of negativity, you know, as well, because you're around it, you know, kind of get it through osmosis, and it bleeds into you.

It happens.

You have your opinions and stuff like that, and it's stuff that I attempt to avoid. You know, in the last year or two, I've kind of taken a breather from most of the car stuff just because I just need to decompress from some of it. I've been around the community for such a f****** long time. At least it feels like a long time.

Oh, it's a long time. I mean, you've been in the community since I was in Spanish 1, so.

Yeah, I mean, it's been a while, you know. And running, like, going back to that BMW group, it's a lot of work. Like, it really is. And when people, if people don't show up, and it's like you just wasted all that time, it's like, why do you want to keep doing it?

Whatever.

But I don't know, man. It's difficult either way. I guess I don't know where I was going with that, but.

No, I mean, like, for me, it's like, especially given my position now, it's like everybody wants me to run various events. That's why I only do a select handful. I'm doing the track day with the Performance Driving School at Brainerd. Buy tickets.

Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's going to be fun. I'm really excited for that. So that one's a collaboration kind of between me and Razorhood and the Performance Driving School.

How's that come about?

So Michael Peterson, who we found on the podcast, I want to say three times now, so he's actually an instructor over at Brainerd. I think he took last year off, but he does some training over there. Got into contact with the guy who's running the program now. Joe, whatever. I can't remember his last name at the moment. But nonetheless, it's kind of like a collaboration, so we can kind of get a discount going through Razorhood or Minnoxide. I think it's 400 bucks for the whole day. You get an instructor, then basically the second half of the day is kind of...

So you get the instructor, and you get a whole day of track time. What is the cap to?

They basically said we'll cross that bridge when we get there, but I think 75 would be like an absolute cutoff.

Sure. I've done a couple track days where they have similar situation, performance driving or whatever the hell it is. This was back when I first had my BMW. I was traveling and whatnot. I remember I drove up. I signed up for a track day. This was with MN ENS, the supercar group. This is when Amola and the ENS guys were still friends or whatever the hell happened there. I don't know. But we went up. I had my BMW. I had another buddy of mine bring up his SL65 AMG or something like that at the time. It was new. It was cool. He was going to track it. I don't know why he was going to track it, but he was deciding to do that. Tony Oskooi, that's when I drove his GTR because on the f****** way up there, I hit a dead deer in the BMW. Yeah, ripped off my oil pan and all this b*******. Eventually, Amola ended up getting it fixed, but I couldn't track the car. I had pay for a track day and was up there, and I went to the class and stuff like that. Couldn't do it. And that's when Tony was like, here you go, drive my GTR. I got to drive his GTR and whatnot. I had a good time. I was kind of poking at Kevin. I was like, let me drive one of those Cup cars, one of those Porsche Cup cars. But I'd never driven one before. So he didn't let me do it. But he did hook me up. He did put my BMW in the trailer and drove it down to a Mola.

With all the deer guts.

Yeah, he b****** at me the next day. He texted me. He was like, dude, my trailer smells like s***. But thank you. But that was cool. It was still a good experience. It sucked. But it turned out okay. So it's something like that, right? Yeah. There you go. Yeah, you learn and whatnot.

Yeah, so that'll be cool. I'm not sure. They're gonna bring a good bit of instructors up there. Basically, it's like, you know, the more people they get, the more instructors they can call on. And it's also on a Monday, right? You have to remember that Brainerd, they leave their weekends for private rentals. Any track does that.

Yeah, I think that was a Monday as well.

Yeah, so all their driving schools are on a Monday, but we're collaborating on this specific Monday on May 20th or whatever, so I think it's like a 12 and a half.

It's the Monday after Power Cruise 1, so if you're already at Power Cruise and you want to hone your skills, you want to stay for an extra day, sign up.

I think that everybody should do it.

Yeah, I've been on four or five different tracks. I'm excited to see how bad I've been doing.

Have you done the Brainerd track?

I have never done a performance driving school.

So is it the full track, do you know?

No, I don't do the full track.

Short track?

Yeah, so that was the preference that Michael Peterson had is the short track is because the way he explained it to me is that the preference for the longer one is when you want to swing a big number going down the long straight. But this is more technical and just a little less scary for the instructors from what it sounds like.

Yeah, I can get that. Yeah, I can dig it. Are they going to allow people to rent the radicals?

That was an option in the thing, bring your own car or whatever.

So definitely should put that more into the conversation for advertising you guys are doing.

Yeah, let's talk to them about that.

Yeah, because that's an experience in itself, if you can take a radical.

Do you know which radical it is by chance?

No, I mean, like you could ask Sajati. I think he's doing stuff with the folks up there.

Yeah, he wants to do some coaching up there too.

Yeah, yeah. And then maybe Darren, you know, he actually owns a radical. Yeah. No, the last time I knew, the only thing I know about them is they're red. Yeah, that's the last thing I know.

They look like go-karts to me. Yeah, they're cool.

One of my buddies who now has moved out of state, Derek Wagner, he used to be a, I'm sorry, Mike Wagner, Derek is his son. Mike Wagner used to be an instructor up there, and he took me around and whatnot in the GTR, taught me how to drive, grab the wheel and, you know, slow down, or like brakes, brakes now, and then go, and brakes now, whatever, but he was an instructor up there. And he also builds simulators. So Sims by Racers is his thing. And he has a warehouse down in, you know, like Chaska or whatever, and he builds these custom iRacer Sims. And there, I mean, he has 3D printers and everything down there for this stuff, and he builds these high-end equipment, you know, from the graphics card systems to the chair, to the mini-uses, all the...

Have you driven one before?

What's that?

A Sim?

Yeah, he had me to his house a couple times, drove on his Sim, and I drove a Radical in the Sim. Yeah, not easy. I sucked. I was terrible.

Everybody does their first time.

Oh, boy, was I bad. Yeah, Jesse Lawrence and I went down there. This was 2015, I think, at the front.

It's a very different type of Sim, too.

Well, it still was, I mean, it was full-screened, like everything, like it wasn't...

It certainly wasn't cheap.

No, no, the one he had at his house specifically, I mean, he was like, yes, if I was going to sell it, it would be like 15 grand, something like that. And that's about what they are now, the ones that he sells, the one that he builds custom.

You have to try ours when you come over next.

I'd love to, I'd still suck at it. I'm a good driver, but I am not a wonderful driver. I've done a couple of those performance track days and stuff like that. I actually got a buddy who I'm going to connect you with. His name is Dan Godar. He's a film producer. Not a film producer, but he's a camera operator. And he recently bought a crane car. So he bought an Audi SUV, like an S, whatever the hell it is, the SUV with a big crane on it. And he's like, do you want to be a driver for this? I was like, hell yeah, I do. Because he knows that I track cars, and I know stuff about vehicles, and I'm going to help modify it. Sunlifter Films, I think, is his moniker for that. But he wants me to do some of the driving, especially if it's local here. And maybe we'll fly out eventually and do some other stuff. But he's been on Fast and the Furious, like camera operating for Fast and the Furious. He's been on Transformers, a plethora of other... You know, Star Trek, like, damn you. I got to meet some of those guys, you know, big nerds. So I got to say that. He's my neighbor. I just went to school with him, too, back in the day. And yeah, he bought this crane car, and I got to drive it. I was like, this thing's cool. He's like, yeah, you can be my driver. One of my drivers is like, sold. So I'll get to hone my driving. But I'm going to definitely do that driver's, the performance driving school.

Yeah, if you can make it up.

When is it?

May 20th. May 20th.

Is that during our friends rally do Hickey thing?

I've been paying attention to that one. I don't know if it is. I don't think it's an issue.

If it overlaps, I'm not going to be there.

Yeah, fair enough.

In Canada or whatever. But if it does not overlap, I will be there. Especially $400. Last time I did was like $500, I think.

Yeah, it's difficult, right? Because if you look at other tracks, various other tracks might have different pricing or whatever, but it's not operationally cheap. Because you have to think about it. To get an instructor, who do you get as an instructor? You need somebody who has time and can ultimately just make that track up there. That's the big thing. But you need somebody who has skills, which is point number two. And the third thing is they have to be able to teach. So you have these three different things. You're not going to have me instructing up there. I think I'm a decent driver, but we'll find out at this track day. Because I've only done one, two tracks.

You're not a decent driver. I'm going to tell you that right out. Same mindset. You get in there, you think you're going to be amazing. Mike's a wonderful driver as far as I know. And I know his son does some sort of BMW racing or whatever, actually on a track. I don't know how good he is. I think he's pretty good. But he's got a bonafide race car. Mike was an actual trainer there. And I mean, I don't push a car. I have no idea. But what I wanted to do was, the reason why I did that is because I wanted to drive my BMW up there, and I wanted to fricking, an instructor to drive my car on that track, because that's what they do consistently. They know the turns. They know everything. Once they drive my car a couple of times around, and they get dialed in, they see it in their pants, so they get connected to the car, then they can push it. Push this thing. I want to know what it can do, because I don't. I will never drive The Noble to its maximum potential. There's no freaking way. I don't want to know the time, the motivation, the money to spend on all the tires, and all the track days. Especially that. I could afford to buy another Noble if I wanted to, but I don't.

You'll never get to the ragged edge. I'm not even sure what or if I'll drive up there, because we're going to do a lot of filming. One of the things is we're going to do some podcasts before and after up there.

I'll see if Dan can come up with his crane car.

That'd be kind of cool.

Let me talk to him.

It'd be a pro bono thing.

I'll be the driver of the car.

Just borrow the crane car.

He actually hit me up last year. He's like, hey, you got some of your car buddies. They'll do some rolling shots.

Is that the guy that did the drone stuff?

He's done drone stuff.

He's done a drone video with you and the other five cars? Or is that somebody else?

That was at Matty J Films or something.

That was an insane video.

That was pretty interesting. That was Faisal. If I'm saying his name right, I'm sorry. Super cool dude. He hit me up. He's like, hey, I got this dude that wants to do this commercial thing. We got Dayton Road shut down or whatever. I'm like, that's right by my house. Of course I'll go. So I got my neighbor Andy with his Aston. He came down too, and there was a couple other people that came out with their cars. It was cool. Porsches and stuff like that. You were there, right?

No. I didn't make that one, unfortunately.

Well, Dan didn't. He wasn't a part of it, but he did show up to kind of flex his muscles as far as his equipment is concerned. He's got some good equipment. We're talking some high-end s***.

I'm such a small fish in this game compared to some of those guys. Especially when I compare equipment with Golden Peaks, a measuring stick, it's very, very different.

Golden Peaks has got some good stuff. I mean, they got that stick-on crane car and stuff like that. This is a bonafide crane car, and Dan's equipment, he works on legit movies. And I remember Jacob when he was a film student.

Yeah, yep.

So he was a film student, and he approached me, he was a BMW guy. I don't remember what kind of car he had, but he was doing a Generations film for BMWs. And he approached me, because I was the one running MN BMW at the time. And he asked for some connections and got him hooked up, and then I got him into MN ENS as well. He did some little 2015 videos of MN BMWs, like we did an Oktoberfest cruise, and he was there doing some films and stuff like that. It was kind of fun. And then I had him come along on MN ENS cruise, and he met some of the folks there, and he just kept networking. I'm really proud of the kid. He's a little dude now, and he was a kid to me at the time, but I'm really proud of him. He's really come a long way, he's networked himself well, he's very articulate, but yeah, he's got a pretty cool setup.

He's, I want to say, three or four years older to me. So not much older to me. It's kind of cool, I think I'm going a little bit of a different route than he is, but for a while I was kind of in his footsteps a little bit. I feel like a lot of our media, like Jason Chun from Chun Media, we might have him on at some point too, but yeah, he's kind of, I was telling him, I'm like, man, you're only like 19, like in some of the stories you want to tell, you can't yet because you're under contract. I'm like, you're going to have to wait. Sorry, I want to make you wait, dude.

Well, and speaking of like your development too, I mean, I remember you've come a long way in the last, you know, what's been five, five-ish years.

I came, Minnoxide came into existence April 28th, 2018. That was supposed to be a placeholder name.

And that was when we met, essentially.

We met later that summer, I believe, at Cars and Coffee and you were, you were intimate dating.

I'm sorry.

You got a self-described resting b**** face. At least at the time.

Yeah, yeah, I've been told that. Yeah, and I, part of the reason why I wear a hat too is because I'm always like, I have very sensitive eyes to light, so I frowny, scowl all the time. So I look like a dick. So like, I'm always like this. And I've actually made a point to try to like, not make my, my mouth so frowny, you know, angry, angry cat face or whatever. So yeah, I try.

But dude, I've explained to people like, man, like you are, sorry if this is buttering a**, but you're a team player. Like you will put somebody in front of somebody. Like you said earlier, it's like, I'll connect you with this guy.

I would much rather, I love making connections for people. Because I mean, I get a minor thanks. Like sure, like sometimes I don't even get that. But it's fun to watch two people that have, that I can see like, this piece of this puzzle is missing for both. And then you do this.

Yeah.

And then you watch it blossom.

Play Matchmaker or Hitch, yeah.

Yeah, you just watch it blossom. It's so cool to see it. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

Play Cupid a little bit, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I like it. You know, that Matchmaker stuff is, it is fun for me. I mean, I enjoy it. And I enjoy watching people succeed at the end of the day. You know, I had a, speaking of Brad Schmidt kind of circling back to this guy.

This is the guy that you beat in the...

Smoked.

Yeah, smoked.

Smoked. He's a good dude. He's kind of out of the car community now. He sold his McLaren, then he bought his ZR1, sold that. He's more in the investing side, you know, properties and stuff like that. We work hand in hand with some stuff. You know, we send some deals back and forth. He used to be a realtor. He does other real estate stuff as well. He's got other friends that are realtors. But recently, he hit me up, and he's like, hey, I need to write a purchase agreement for me. I was like, what? Okay, fine. So I did. I'm going to make some money. But his quote that he said to me was, if somebody's going to make some money, or if somebody's going to eat, I'm going to make sure my friends are eating. And that resonated a lot to me. As a realtor, I will advise people to seek multiple different lenders and say, see this person, see this person, see this person, this person is good with this, this person is a veteran, this person is this, and kind of apply, but I have to give, legally, I kind of have to give for liability purposes multiple different recommendations, because then if you have a bad experience with this one lender, you can kind of come back on me. But I'm like, hey, I gave you three, I gave you four, so you can't come to me and give me some guff or whatever. It's easier to fight in court, which should never ever happen, of course. I've never been to court, knock on wood again, for real estate, but the whole point is, I refer him some stuff and whatnot, so he kind of did the same thing for me. But he's like, this other agent was like, yeah, I don't want you to be self-represented or whatever. He's like, why? And he couldn't give an answer, so he's like, well, f*** it, fine, I'll just pay the commission to somebody, and if somebody's going to eat, it's not going to be your dude, it's going to be my friend or somebody I know. My circle eats. So that quote resonated with me, so I'm going to let him know that I shouted him out for that.

Well, the nice thing about when we do these podcasts is a lot, especially when you share it on your page, people, your friends will be like, all right, I wonder what he f****** said about me.

Well, I have a lot of bad things to say, but I think you've heard me over the years, there has been things that I do say in a negative manner because it's my perception, but sometimes, most of the time, I should say, most of the time, I genuinely go, but they're a good person. At heart.

It's overwhelmingly positive.

Yeah, usually it is. I mean, there's a couple of folks that I have negative thoughts on, and I try to avoid speaking negatively about people, but I know for a fact there's plenty of people that have negative viewpoints of me, and I wish they didn't, but if they do, they're...

Great, which brings us to our next point. All right, let's talk about Jeff. Let's do it.

Do you have any questions?

Intervention time.

I've seen some of your rants. You're usually not too wrong or wrong at all.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I have a plaque from the military, and it was like when I left a unit, and it was, Corporal Storms... Corporal I'm Always Right Storms. I literally got a shirt that says, I am never wrong. I just explain why I'm right or something like that. I have that shirt someplace.

I feel like I've seen that one before.

Yeah, you definitely have. I try to articulate myself, but I also want to listen. And this goes out to the world, that if somebody does have a negative viewpoint about me and whatnot, get to know me. Just talk to me. I'm not scary. You f****** broke the ice, and here we are. Now we're buds, and we try to throw each other business and stuff like that. I might look intimidating, but I guarantee that I'm not.

Yeah, I think that's just how it is. I think you've given a lot of advice to a lot of people over the years, and again, in my short period that I've been in this car community, whenever I say most of my friends are older than me, you're the first one that pops into my head. Let's just put it that way. That's in a good way.

Well, I've known you more, probably longer than more of the older folks that you have started to been around. You built your social network here. Yeah.

It's super. I like this podcast because a lot of random people reach out to me that I never would have ever, ever, ever talked to, or at least for like not another decade.

Yeah.

So it's kind of streamlined that process of just learning from the older guys.

Well, you never know, like you guys said too, you can learn from everybody, right? So even if somebody appears to be an a******, you never know what you could hit it off on. I mean, worst case scenario, they're an a****** and you go, well, that sucks, and you walk away. Yeah. It's not really...

Make your first hand judgment.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's hard sometimes, you know, because you hear a lot of negative things about some person because they did something to somebody, but they didn't do anything negative to me. I'll give anybody a chance. I have some negative viewpoints about some people in the car community, but they're valid, at least to my own opinion. But I would never try to sway you or you from being friends or especially if you're going to make money, if you have a business partnership. Never, ever, ever do that. And I'll always be cordial. There's people that I see that I don't particularly care for. Look them in the eye and be like, how's it going? Awesome. And then be like, back to my business. I don't need to fight. I don't need to do any of that b*******. I don't need to yell and scream. You know, I know I can, but I don't need to.

I can tell when I'm trying to get swayed too. Like sometimes I'll have people even message me like, oh yeah, that was cool. But man, that guy is just like, I will make my own judgment. Thank you very much. If it burns me, that's fine. But let me go because I, you know, especially being a neutral party or trying to be a neutral party in the car community. F*** takeovers. But it's like beyond that.

We can all hate on them.

Yeah, that's a whole nother level of stuff.

I remember when I had Trey on for episode, his first time on the podcast, he, what's it called, was talking s*** about takeovers. And I made a highlight of it. And the comments went buzzer. Let us have our fun, man.

That's what you need though. Yeah, I mean, like any, anything in social media or the media in general, anything. Controversial topics and stuff like that.

To a degree. I like the slow and steady growth though.

Sure.

Because I can't, I'm just meant for like viral, viral instances, you know, you get that. Well, your Noble went viral. I remember that.

Oh yeah, we got some millions of views on that funny speed bump one. That was before I raised the car back up.

Yeah, that was like four or six million views and all the comments. Well, you were fighting with half the people in the comments, it's just really funny.

I was trolling them, I didn't give a s***.

Because a lot of people like, well, you bring it on. What were some of the things that you saw the most? The taillights.

Oh yeah, it's not a super car, all right, whatever.

Why is it not a super car, Jeff?

I think it's super, but it's not a super car.

I mean, where does that definition, like where's the line in the sand, though?

Define it for me. Burden of proof is in the accuser, so you're gonna accuse me that it's not a super car? F****** you tell me, homie, like I don't give a s***. It's a super car, it's super to me. I like it, it's not exotic. Well, it's pretty f****** rare, so what is it? It's a rare sports car.

It's European, it's mid rear engine. Like where are we getting, like where do you draw the line?

It's got Honda contour parts.

S***, the Ford GT I think has a side marker light that's the same as a Ford freaking Fiesta.

The Lamborghini Diablo has 300ZX headlights.

Yeah.

They use parts from different manufacturers to save on engineering costs, it's logical.

And The Noble, what, did it beat a Murcielago or a Gallardo?

Oh, I don't know, I mean it's zero to 60 in like 3.3 seconds. So I mean, it was faster than the Lamborghinis and Ferraris of its time, by far. I mean, smoke it.

What was the Clarkson quote? Do you remember what it was?

Oh, there is a, I put a, like it made like a stitch of it, but it's one of his favorite cars, at least from when he initially drove it on like the top gear. I, you get it, you should pull it up at some point and maybe put it on your podcast.

Oh, I will, I will.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, find that clip that he was driving it, cause it literally, it all, here's the thing, as long as somebody in the car community has or has driven, has experience with cars and are careful, I'll let anybody drive it. Well, you don't want to drive the f****** Noble. I'll let you drive the Noble.

Let's give me some more practice in the manual first.

Cause yeah, you are.

I'll be driving the manual.

I might take you up on it next time I see it. Sure, absolutely, man.

Yeah, we'll go for a spin and then I'll show you a couple of things on how it's done. I mean, it's a f****** car at the end of the day.

I'll get the contour fixed up, I'll bring it and we'll swap. Let's do it, let's do it.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I love, actually one of my good friends had a contour from back in the day and it was an S4 Contour SVT. It was super, super cool car. You can't, I mean, is it in good shape?

It's in rough shape. No, I bought a bunch of parts when I was in Texas. The kid that had it, he beat the living hell out of it. The good thing about it is it's only got 90,000 miles on it and it's no rust on it. It was in a shipping container for like a long time, just sitting.

But it's fixable.

Yes, and I have most of the body parts now collected.

What color is it?

Silver.

Ah, damn, I was hoping it was that red.

Yeah, it was too, yeah.

But those are super cool. I mean, those cars from back in the day, I mean, those were the cars growing up when I was younger that I couldn't necessarily obtain because at the time, and I got my license, s***, how old was I? I was 16, so that was in 90. Huh, shut your mouth.

I got mine in 1998, I believe, and I'm 41, I'm 41.

Yeah, me as well, yeah, I mean, I got like 98, 99. So, and the SVT, the Contra SVT came out, what, in 96 or 7, something like that? Yeah, so like the fastest cool sedan you can get was like if you were rich, you had like a Taurus SHO, like, you know, the manual versions or like the early 90s ones. I had the coolest car I had when I was younger. The first car I had was a Saturn SL2 manual. It was cool. And then I had a Bonneville SSEI, you know, that 3800.

Ooh, those were cool. I'm not a Chevy guy, but those were, yeah.

Oh, that's a Pontiac, the version.

Yeah, but they're made by GM, but that's a 3.8 Supercharged, I think.

Yes, yes, yes. This is just a floaty boat thing, Supercharged. It was just a terrible car. And I've done stuff while I was driving in that car that I probably shouldn't have done. My whole life isn't listening to that. But, yeah, she'll be like, whatever. She knows I was a Marine, so it's fine. I had that car, and then the coolest car that I bought was an 89 Ford Probe GT.

Yeah.

Turbo, four-cylinder manual, froze to the tires, left to the rain.

Pop-up headlights.

Had Bondo on the side of it, because it had some accident. I bought it for like 800 bucks, and it was such a cool car. And actually, I would love to have another one. Can't find it though. It's like that contour. I've looked in like the last five years for some of those older nostalgic cars. One of the other cars that I really wanted when I was younger was the Chevy Lumina Z34.

Oh yeah. Yeah. So I have a Z26 Beretta with a quad four and a five-speed.

Yeah, so you know what I'm talking about.

Or the Beretta Indy, right? So one of my first cars was a 1990 Indianapolis 500 Beretta.

Was it green or was it yellow?

Mine was the teal. The teal? Yeah, so it was teal and yellow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

With the little f****** red.

It had the pink neon s*** on the side.

It's a Beretta Indy.

I've been trying to find one in good condition, and it is impossible to find, because they're rare, but they're not a collector car. Yeah, and they're still cheap.

If you find one, it'd be 10 grand, if that, right? With good condition.

Yeah, I've seen them at 10 grand. I still am hard to get myself to spend 10 grand on a Beretta.

Yeah, or just an older car like that, general, it's never gonna be worth. I mean, it'll track with inflation, most likely, or be close to inflation, but it's not...

It wasn't collector enough for me to want to do it as an investment, but yeah.

Yeah, well, the SVT also, that's another one that's cool.

That one was cool, yeah. I picked that car up for 900 bucks or something, though, so it was like that was a no-brainer.

No, hell yeah, yeah, you like to tinker, right? So there you go. The other cool car I had that was similar to that style and era was with a Dodge Duster, a little Duster with a little bump on the hood, a little 3-liter, a little s*****-a** V6 3-liter. It was not very powerful, but it was super, super compact, kind of like the 1 Series, you know? And I was trying to convince you about the 1 Series. It's compact, it's weird-looking, people didn't really like it when it first came out, but eventually it started to be kind of like the kind of, people really realized it was a really good car. That duster, super compact, like it looked like a clown car. It's almost like somebody took a Beretta and went like this.

They did little turbo versions or like supercharged versions of those. Shelby did some stuff with Dodge in those days too, but I don't know if he ever did a duster, but-

Well, they had the Plymouth and the Dodge, like the-

Daytonas, I think, who were hatchback.

Yeah, yeah, those were interesting cars, yeah. But the eclipses, the early eclipses, the first gen eclipses, those things were big in my high school. And then the 3000 GTs. The rich kids had a 3000 GT.

There was a rich kid in our school that wrecked his and had another one within like a week. Almost killed some of the other kids in school too.

We had one that didn't wreck it, his daddy bought it for him, mommy bought it for him. Good for them, no negativity there. I'm gonna stop there just to say, everybody's dealt different hands in life.

Absolutely.

Right? And it doesn't f****** matter if daddy buys a car, or mommy buys it. Who gives a s***? You know, just enjoy it. Let them do their thing.

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Well, when you're a poor kid driving a rusty s*** box, you just, you know, doesn't hit right.

You look up, and you're like, damn you. But you have to remember, at the end of the day, it is what it is. It's no point in dwelling on what you can't control.

Absolutely.

Put your head down and work harder. And then, yeah, so this kid had a 3000 GT, super cool, bright blue, laser blue, whatever it is, chrome wheels, super cool, got all the chicks. And then this other kid in the neighborhood behind me, his neighborhood behind me was like upper class, right? We were middle, whatever, nice. And his parents had a Humvee, an H1, like a nice one, and they had a Dodge Viper, the first gen Dodge Viper. This kid every Friday would come to school with a Dodge Viper as a high school kid. Yeah, that was pretty cool. That was, that was, he was like a year or two older than me. I was a friend of them, but I still remember that. Now, I have the Noble. So dropping my kids off at school and whatnot. Oh, even in the BMW, like I get looks, in the Jag with all the stickers, the kids love that thing. Oh yeah. Yeah, but yeah, the Noble definitely. JJ likes it because he's 10, he's, you know, my son. So he's just like, I like cars, dad, why don't you take the Noble, pick me up at the Noble, let's drive, you know. Why don't we take the BMW, it's super fast. Actually, the BMW is just a smidge faster than the Noble. If it can hook, that's the problem. The BMW doesn't have good traction, because it's, again, that short wheelbase, and skinny a** tires, and it just, what, the power. So a rolling race that would walk away from the Noble. We'll change that. Yeah, they love it. So I'm gonna, my kids, once they get old enough, you know, I'll let them take the Noble once they get responsible enough, if they are responsible enough to take the Noble to school.

My brother's had that luxury.

Yeah, well, I mean, your dad's a good dude, and he, you know, I can't say so much about you, but definitely your brother, you know, he grew up okay. You know, probably responsible. Totally kidding, unfortunately.

Completely opposite, by the way.

I've seen you show up in the AMG places, but maybe your dad doesn't know that you were in it, but you know. Well, I- Oh, to school, okay, I get it, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, to school, because I, since I graduated, and obviously the socioeconomics has changed over time, so.

He does the dealership stuff, right?

Yeah, and my brother is almost six years younger than me, so he gets, it's just part of it, as you get older. Thank you, Dan, for hosting our first segment of Memory Lane. We could get you a podcast of all you-

No, you get us 40 year olds together, we're gonna get nostalgia about the 80s and 90s cars, man.

Yeah, it's so fun, because like, sitting in this seat, like when I see it happen, I'm just like, all right, I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna watch f****** press. All right, all these cars that were made before I even existed.

I mean, let's be honest, you and I have been kind of, you know, reminiscing about some of our pasts. So of course, you know, I had to level with you. You didn't talk about the contour. I had to talk about that car.

What's the best part about having a co-host? Like Dan and I have, like we were talking about this, you know, especially if this AMS thing ends up happening for me.

Tell me about that real quick, sorry.

So basically AMS has this position, they're looking for like a marketing specialist down in Chicago. AMS Performance makes the fastest Lamborghini Huracan in the world. It was the first Huracan in the 60s.

I mean, I know all about AMS, but yeah.

Yeah, but basically, yeah, I just saw the position. I thought I'd be a decent fit. I could still keep doing everything I'm doing. The only down, or I don't want to say downside, the only catch is going to move to Chicago, which I'm completely open to if everything lines up. So we'll see what happens. Moe boosts Minneapolis. I had, he knows the guy that's, you know, that put out that, what's it called? For higher ad, whatever it was. He spent all of Texas 2K with the guy, so he gave me a nice little referral. But he's like, yeah, man, don't get your hopes up. I'm like, you put, I wasn't even gonna apply till you told me to, dude. I'm like, what the f***? But yeah, anyways, it's just one of those opportunities I would kick myself for if I didn't at least apply for.

Well, it's something that you could definitely get industry experience with. You can still do podcast stuff.

Easy, I'd be up here once a month. Keep him as a co-host, no problem.

I mean, you easily could do that. I mean, and at the end of the day, like you're not, I don't know how, I mean, you could probably answer this. How often does Joe Rogan do podcasts?

Two to three a week. But the thing is, like he might do them all in one day.

That's what I'm saying.

My point being though, it's like nothing would have to sacrifice.

Yeah.

The only thing is I would-

It compounds, right?

It compounds, exactly. Like it makes sense to do it if it lines up financially. That's it. So we'll see. We'll see if it doesn't happen, whatever, I'm doing fine. If it happens, great. But yeah, like Mo said, don't get your hopes up. I literally told him, the other day, I texted him, I'm like, you f*****, you're the most negative, positive person I've ever met. But I think the same way too. It's like, I can't remember if it was Socrates or whoever the f***, but basically he has this one quote. He's like, he used to have this big, beautiful lamp, amazing lamp or whatever, stupid, whatever, candles, whatever it was. And one day it broke. He's like, well, but of course, because nothing lasts forever. In his head, when he got that stupid, expensive chandelier lamp, whatever it was, in his head, it was already broken. He enjoyed it for what it was, but one day it'll be gone. So it's like, you can't be upset, but at the same time, it's like, enjoy it while it's there. That's a more positive way of saying like, hey, but don't get excited.

I can see what you're saying. I mean, I like that thought process of like, oh, it doesn't, we can go down the rabbit hole of like the universe and all that stuff. Oh my God, and don't get me started on that kind of stuff.

Keeping the podcast going, no problem. Like I could find a spot down there, no problem. I have some connections in Chicago courtesy of the Crown Rally people I met in 2018.

And then you also build more of a network, right? If this is something that you're going to want to continue to do, not just the podcast, but be involved in the automotive industry and community and build a professional life around it and whatnot, you have to network with those individuals. And these kind of podcasts can open up those doors.

The doors that this has opened up for me already is ridiculous. And some things, the thing is not all seeds grow today. You know, there are some things that I can't predict. A lot of people are like, why would you do that? Stupid podcast. Like, people are, you're still doing that? I've already-

It's unfortunate that they have to say that. They should be supporting you.

Are people saying that?

Oh, dude, you have to realize that-

There's always naysayers.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, because sometimes, you know, sometimes we're our own worst enemy of making stuff up, but on the flip side, I also do hear things. Things come back to me when you're as well connected as you and I are in the car community. But nonetheless, I actually got an email for the first time of somebody saying like, hey, man, podcast is amazing. I think the guy whose name was Brian.

Do you got one of those cold?

Not cold. No, unfortunately.

We're not that bougie here.

Yeah, actually, I stopped drinking the Jockos just to kind of wind down my caffeine a little bit, because I was really stemmed out for a while. Sure. Like a year every day, once to two times a day, plus a coffee. It was bad for a while. But anyways, my point being is, I sound to comments that I see, and more importantly, the comments that my guests get. My guests get way more feedback than I do, which is kind of funny. But people will just say the nicest things, and I'm just like, this is kind of cool, seeing where this is going. People I've never heard of in my life.

Where are you all posting your stuff? I mean, I see you do, I'm mainly on Facebook, of course, as you know, I'm more of a older dude, so of course I'm gonna be there. Instagram as well, I don't do the TikTok. I try, I just got irritated with it.

Yeah, I'm not a fan.

Yeah, it's just another thing to take care of, but in your line of work, possibly, I would assume YouTube and all that stuff, right?

Yeah, so you can basically listen to the full episodes on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Podbean, which is the main host or whatever, and then it kind of distributes to a few others by itself from there, because some of these companies own each other, it's weird, but the main ones are Spotify and Apple for, oh yeah, I added you to Amazon.

I complained, so I got Amazon.

So you could ask Amazon to play it for him. Play is the wrong thing half the time, because Amazon.

If you're wondering, there is a carbon Minnoxide podcast, which really pisses me off when I try and tell my Alexa to play the Minnoxide podcast.

And then I post highlights on the standard platform, so Facebook, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, and what's the, there's another one. YouTube Shorts is kicking off pretty good for me. So I should be getting monetized on YouTube tomorrow, actually, which is exciting.

Oh, congratulations. My kids watch a s*** ton of YouTube. I have this tracker app that shows me how much time I've got and none of that.

It's scary, isn't it?

It's like, jeez, dude, you gotta chill. That's part of me as a parent needing to talk about.

Yeah. Sometimes I have to make them just put Netflix on and I was like, if you're gonna do, like, go watch Netflix. I know it sounds dumb, but I walk in and watch some of the s*** that they're watching. I'm like, this is-

These are YouTube shorts, right?

Yeah, or shorts are just even long form stuff. It's like a bunch of kids probably in their 20s run around just doing stupid s*** and making noises. And I'm like, why do you like this?

How old are you kids?

They range from 13 down to seven.

So you probably remember Ryan's toy reviews.

Yeah, yep, yeah.

F*** that fricking dude, welcome to Ryan's toy reviews.

Yeah, oh my God.

Cost you so much money.

Oh, no, not even, annoyance. A little bit of money, they'd ask me that s***, but it's like these, they would sit there and watch this doofus, this kid, open, I feel bad because it's a kid, right? But it's just like, eh, they open up a f******.

You just hear it in the background. It's kind of like, you would listen to like, the old days of listening to annoying TV shows in the background, right?

That would be worse, you watch it and you're just like, just this little s***'s just opening up a toy. And he's playing with it while his parents are just like, being obnoxious as well. And now they're multimillionaires because this kid was just good for them. Like not pissed about that, but it's like, stop watching this f*****.

Watch something else.

Watch something else. Cause now all you're gonna wanna do is just buy these damn toys. Like, I believe in capitalism, but yay capitalism. That's what that is. I wholeheartedly believe in it, to most extents. But yeah, that kind of stuff is obnoxious. I don't know what the hell they're watching now. I mean, I do kind of look at some of it.

Well, right now it's this unspeakable is what he's been watching and they just run around to do stupid s***. Well, it got to be where he's pranking us at the house, doing his prank stuff. Oh, that's what he was doing now, right? Yeah, well then he was doing it at school and he got in trouble. So we were like, oh yeah, no more of that crap.

Dial that down there, dude.

Yep, kids are super easy to influence. I remember even as like a five year old son, things I picked up from TV shows and I got my a** reminded of it.

Yeah, I will catch him watching some car videos every now and again. And that's like unprompted by me. He'll be like, dude, you know this? And I was like, yeah.

What you gotta do is start like when they're gone, what you gotta do is like flip through videos that you want them to watch. So their algorithm gets all f***** up.

There you go.

And make them watch like a bunch of like, just go to like Neo DeGrasse Tyson or like science stuff or car based stuff or whatever the hell it may be, just whatever. Flip through a whole bunch of that stuff, and then eventually their algorithm will force them to start watching that, and then they'll get interested in it. Hopefully.

That's kind of what I do to myself purposely too with YouTube. And sometimes I'll even like fall asleep with my phone running on a YouTube video. So sometimes I'll even wake up to like a Jocko podcast.

Sure.

It's the funniest thing ever, dude.

So it makes sense. I mean, you talk about them, you do some of the energy drink stuff and like, you know.

I'm not doing a ton of supplements right now though. Like I'm trying to eat as clean as possible, but I do have some of those like shakes and stuff. I'm not throwing down everything.

Well, you shouldn't. You should eat your nutrition at the end of the day. Like it's the biggest thing.

It's really helped me out. Like cognitively, I've been sharper. And then switching to like normal caffeine or whatever. I could go on a whole health tangent.

Have you tried the Kilcliffs yet?

I don't know if I have. Isn't Rogan sponsored by them?

Yeah, he like owns it or is it?

Yeah, he did a collaboration with them.

Yeah.

So I have a chiropractor, another plug here. Go for it. I think I may have even told you about him.

Potentially.

Dr. Ross, KyroSport, he's right down the f****** road from here. I actually tried to get in with him today, but he's like, I'm fully booked. One of the smartest dudes as far as biomechanics and muscular physiology, blah, blah, blah, and nutrition and all that stuff I've ever met. He's a chiropractor by trade, but he does cupping, needling, scraping, blah, blah, blah, body recomposition, rehab, and of course chiropractic. Being a power lifter and a trainer, obviously I know many people that need that kind of services, but he turned me on to Kill Cliff, and he's got a s*** ton of them over there. But I recently saw them at, I think it was, of all places, I think it was like a Walmart, which I never go to Walmart, but I was at a Walmart for some weird reason.

I think it gets some good stuff there.

Hispanic stuff, especially some of the ethnic stuff, like the Walmart in Maple Grove especially has a really good Hispanic selection of certain items. So like Taco Tuesday stuff, I go there, and then they have some other stuff too that they exclusively go there for. But anyway, they had Kill Cliff there. So I sent them a whole bunch of pictures of these other Kill Cliffs that I've seen, but they only have 25 milligrams of caffeine. And they satiate that carbonation, right? I need that carbonation in a deficit, especially in a calorie deficit, I need something else.

Did you say it's only 25 milligrams?

25 milligrams of caffeine.

Really? Okay, that's sustainable.

Yeah, you could drink for a day and be totally fine.

Does it have a, so I guess, what does it have in there? Does it have like a bunch of like, nootropics or something?

There's more nootropic style stuff. Yeah, I don't know exactly what it has.

Let's check it out.

Off the top of my head, but I highly suggest looking into it. I mean, it's comparable to the other ones. And I mean, it's also, you know, owned and operated, you know, partially owned and operated. It's something to do with some sort of military foundation as well. So there is that connection as well, that's important. To me, of course, it is. But my favorite energy drinks, you know, are like Redcon, a little bit lower, lower of the caffeine, 200 milligrams of caffeine, but also Neutropix. You know, I like the Alpha GPC and the CoQ10 and certain things. I like the rain, white gummy bear.

Rain has been great, that's what I've been doing.

I'm addicted to the white gummy bear.

I haven't seen that. So where, what can I get at Quick Trip? That's good, the rain. But they have like two flavors of rain ever.

Yeah, they've got like the purple-ish one.

The purple one is the one I like.

Yeah, it's good, yeah. I mean, what I really hate is most of these big places, they just have like, all monster.

Yeah, I know, that's, yeah, I know. Or Red Bull, I hate Red Bull.

I like my like sugar-free Red Bull, but it doesn't have, it's just not as.

It doesn't have everything else.

I'm sure it's full of junk, right? It's like basically a few steps from antifreeze.

It's quite that, but yeah. It's not the best, you know? They've obviously done well for themselves because people are addicted to that. You know, I was for a while. I talked to our boy, Brian May. You want to get him to do anything, bring him a case of sugar-free Red Bull, SFRB, that's the way for him. Yeah, bring him that, and he'll do anything for you. Within reason, of course. But yeah, Quick Trip. I mean, Celsius is really good.

I do like the Celsius ones, yeah. They have a thousand flavors to choose from.

They do, yeah, they're good. Lower caffeine content there as well. I actually really like the Elanis.

My dad and my brother are on a kick right now.

Yeah, Elanis good. Some of their flavors are hit or miss.

That's what I've heard.

I really like their Witches Brew one.

I did not like the Fruity Pebble one.

Yeah, the Slush one is fine. Like the dark purple can is like cosmic dust or some b*******.

This is what my wife hates about it. She's like, I just want to know what the flavor tastes like. Don't tell me it's cosmic dust or...

Well, if I told you Witches Brew, what would you think?

No clue. Something green.

Something stupid, right? Yeah. But it's like a caramel apple. It's f****** amazing. It comes out around Halloween. Go figure. But it's super good. It's, I mean, if I can get a year round, that would be one of the ones I would drink. Yeah, oh hell yeah, I do. Oh, and then I suck them down. You know, the more they're there, the more I consume.

Yeah, when I had cases of Jaco sitting, I'm like, ah, let's do two a day, why not?

Well, that's what happened to Dr. Ross. He had ordered what he thought was like half a pallet, but he ended up getting like two pallets of the s***, so it was like half, yeah. He got a whole bunch of-

Oh, no wonder he's pushing it.

No, he's not pushing it. He's given me a couple cases here, and I was like, dude, can I send them clients all the time? He's like, dude, just take some. And last time I was there, I brought him a bunch of meat from my wife's farm, and he's like, okay, go take some. But he gave me like a real big client.

I forget you guys have got meat at your farm, too.

Yeah, yeah. We'll have to talk about that. Buffalo, yeah. So my wife's family has a farm out there. And I have cows, pigs, horses.

We're just teaching me how to eat those.

Yeah, yeah. What does the horse say? And then chickens and stuff like that. One of the coolest things is everyone's going to get like duck and geese eggs. You had a goose egg? Talking about like frickin decadent. Like a chicken egg is good. Especially if it's like local, homegrown, whatever the hell, you know, free range chickens. The yolks are a different color. They're not yellow. They're more orange. Yeah, yeah. Super, super dense. Duck eggs get a little bit more intense, but you get that goose eggs, like those big suckers. They're really rich, rich and decadent. Like they make, they make a really good.

I love eggs.

See, I don't like eggs.

Oh, really?

By themselves. As like, if you like load, like scrambled eggs. So my coach has got me on, you know, three eggs in the morning with a couple of Amy Lou chicken sausages. And then I put some like truff hot sauce. I could scarf that down. I'm f****** hungry in the morning.

You say truff hot sauce? Yeah. Oh, that stuff's the best. There's a website.

There's a website that I bought that stuff at for $11 a bottle.

No way. Really? Because I'm on truff. I'm even on the text thing, so it's like, we're running 20% off. This s***'s expensive.

I bought 15 bottles at $11 a bottle, and I've almost gone through it. I mean, this is like six months ago they bought it. I put that s*** on everything, just like Frank's Red Hot. But it's amazing. Have you tried the oils?

I have the truff, the truffle oil, just like the oil. They're like basic.

People are so hungry listening to this, right?

Oh, well, you should flash some of my steaks that I make.

What is your food page?

Oh, I was actually going to talk to you about that. Because of the algorithm we were talking about, I have multiple different pages. Because I can flip-flop between my pages. At first, my main page is Minnesota Sold. That's my real estate stuff. I'm kind of trying to branch out and have different pages that fill different niches and stuff like that. So I have Minnesota Sold, which is I'm turning into some personal stuff, some car stuff, but mainly real estate. And on that one, I've had to really u***** the algorithm, because most of the time, it's just like chicks' a**** and stuff like that. It's like, why do you keep showing me this? And most of the time, when you have a chick's a** like sitting there, yeah, you're going to stare at it for a second, but you're going to make a comment about how dumb they are. But then that f**** the algorithm. They keep showing you because you keep commenting on it. So I've had to relearn, like you and I had to unlearn what I've learned, right? So I had to like, I don't want to see this, like do the little, I don't want to see this anymore. So my algorithms now is more real estate car stuff.

Yeah, it's great.

Started the food page for more like just food posts and stuff like that, but now it's kind of morphed into food lifting. And that's, so instead of Minnesota sold, it's Minnesota gains.

Yep.

I like food, so.

Perfect.

Go to Minnesota gains so you can see me lifting some, you know, deadlifts, 700 pound deadlifts or whatever you want to watch. And then you can see food, like, wait, baby. And then my car, my Noble, right? So Noble M12 GTO 3R, that's the other one. And what's cool is on my lifting food page, I see lifting and food. Of course, I'm gonna see some of those dopey chicks that sit there just like, oh, look at my butt. You know, I'm doing whatever.

Hey, you do that too, bro. I see your butt. Oh, of course, I did lift.

I did lift, you know? I'm gonna show off this, you know, I'm working hard for this.

Do you do hip thrusts or no?

I do single leg hip thrusts. Yeah, I do a lot of single item accessories. So I'll do a heavy compound first, and then I'll focus on the single stuff to really build that neural connection between that muscle and, or the mind and that specific muscle. It also weeds out any imbalances.

Yeah, I should really do that more. I'm imbalanced.

Hey, I'm a certified trainer now. So yeah, there's that.

Before we get into like where everybody can find you, we do have Dan's usual three.

Oh, what's up?

You're at two and a half hours, by the way.

Oh, are we really?

What time is it?

It is 319. Yeah, it's cooking. I think Caleb should be here any time so we can all grab lunch as well.

Yeah, I like food. I have this. I can join you.

Yeah, what's up? All right, so anyway, at the end of every episode, we have to ask our guests three questions. No, one question, three cars. You're fired. Yeah, yeah, I need you to pick a... Well, you shoved me on the way, and then it got all sidetracked. Anyway, I need a track car, a show car, and a daily driver. You have an unlimited budget. Swaps are good. Anything you want, what can you think up?

Ah, wow. I have always, always wanted a Sesto Elemento. It's a Lamborghini Gallardo, but so the name's Sesto Elemento. And this is on-

Sounds like a spell from Harry Potter.

It sounds like it, but I think it's a, don't quote me Italian, Sesto Elemento. It's a-

Sounds German.

Fifth element for, which is carbon. So it's all carbon. So if you look on Top Gear, what is it, James May? Not James May, but who's a little weasley?

Hammond.

Hammond. He does like this nice, the Sesto Elemento, it means carbon. Because blah, blah, blah. Look it up, add it to the podcast. People know what the f*** I'm talking about, so I don't just sound like an idiot. And I would send it to UGR or Enthimoto or something like that. Because this is, I mean, it's a stupidly lightweight track only, Gallardo. And then you throw 1000 to 2000 horsepower in this f****** thing, it would be bananas bonkers. I mean, we're just talking like, ludicrous, stupid. So that would be my track car. Show car, I don't know, man. I mean, there's so many cool cars. I'd have to go with something like wild, crazy, exotic, and probably like a like a Jesko, something like that. Just something bonkers.

Can I say, Jesko, you committed to that?

Not really, no. Like it's off the cuff. I mean, would I go wild and crazy and modify something? I could, you know, I definitely could. I mean, there's some cool things that you could do, you could do out there. But I think that Sesto Elemento would ultimately be a show car as well.

So would you just get a second one of those?

Or would you? Yeah, f****** four of them, do you have a daily drive one? If I could. No, but yeah, I mean, I would probably say, I would just blanket it. I'm just gonna blanket it and say, I'd probably go with the Koenigsegg of some sort, because they're just works of art, they're beautiful. And I wouldn't want to drive it too much. I'd take it to shows. I'd drive it to a show and stuff like that, but I wouldn't be tracking it. It's more of a work of art, right? Koenigsegg is, and then a daily driver. I would want something functional. And if money was no object, I would give two hoots about gas mileage, right? I have really been horny for that new Cadillac Escalade V. Oh, that would be a good daily. Yeah, the long version too. I mean, you pull some stuff, you could tune it, sounds good, looks good, wheels on it. I mean, other than that, like what else? What else would you want to get? Maybe the Aston Martin 707. I mean, a fast, fast, cool looking SUV, you know? That'd be fun.

The V interior, I got sin one.

I'm gonna go back and say, show car that Aston Martin Vulcan, but that's a track car. Anyways.

It can be a track car and a show car.

Was it the Vulcan?

The Vulcan's the one that has the weird headlights on the front that looks like a classic, like 70s car almost. I think that's the Vulcan.

Maybe it's the Valkyrie.

Oh no, no, no, no. I'm getting the Vulcan confused. Cause they had the Vulcan, the Valkyrie, and then they had that other one.

One of those wild and crazy ones, you know, I don't know. It'd be something along those lines, man. I can't, you put me on the spot, you know, I'm starting to blush. I don't know.

So you're just gonna stick with the Koenigsegg.

Yeah, let's stay with Koenigsegg. There's so many cool cars out there. You've answered this question for sure. I want to hear your answers now.

I think my last updated one was a...

Updated every single answer. See, I can't...

We don't really do it every single episode.

I can't amend.

I know. Well, so I think my first time around was I had a Torino. Ford Torino was my show car. And then I had a... That's cool. Can't remember what my track car was. I don't remember. Well, if I could just... Right off the top of my head right now, I would do the Shelby new diesel now, they have a Powerstroke F250 Shelby Baja. I do that as my daily. Because I gotta have a truck, because I tow trailers and do s***. Yeah. I would do a current gen Ford GT as a track car. And then... I don't know what I'd do for a show car.

You said Ford Torino or something like that.

I had... I think something from the 60s and 70s. It's just a cool old muscle car.

Did you say Continental?

Oh yeah, I did. It was 69 Continental. Suicide Doors. Yeah.

I would love to do a Resto mod.

Yeah, put a Coyote in it for sure.

Do something like that. Yeah. Do some sort of... I think, yeah, let's amend the show car stuff. We'll do some sort of like 60s style, fully Resto modded interior. It could be a Porsche even. Kind of like what the singers are. Oh, those singers. Those are art too.

Oh, is this the commitment that we're going to get?

Oh man. Yeah, we're going to...

It's hard to put a car guy on the spot having picked three cars.

It is sad, man.

Horrible.

Now you're getting the juices turning and burning some calories, starting to sweat here. Just kidding, I'm always sweating. Yeah. I mean, I've always been really partial to some of those like those Camaros. I wouldn't do a Camaro, but you know those Camaros that have like the cool like an insect, you know, wheels that have the big lip and stuff like that. Big power and the inside are like nice and like updated, modern, the Restomod style. Just so cool. Nova SS, you know, but with like a better interior or stuff like that. Singer, Singer Porsche. I'm going.

But on a small GM tangent and then right back to a Singer.

Yeah. I mean, then I just started thinking about like, it's a Porsche and it would still be fun to drive. Like, I don't know how much of a resto mod I'd want to drive. Like, you know, like Kevin Hart had a resto mod and he's just a dude.

That was a weird incident, though, when he broke his back.

I don't know. I don't know the whole instances. I'm just like, yeah.

It was like a thousand horsepower. What was it? Camaro or whatever, built by Speedcore. It was just, it was a weird one. Yeah.

I don't know. I still think like the singers are just art. I mean, if you've seen one in person, I know the Mola Mola Network, they have, they have a couple of guys that are a guy or two that owns at least one singer and they're, yeah, yep. Pretty.

I like their WBs, you know, but the singers unmatched when it comes to quality.

It's so smooth looking. The extra, let's just, the lions are just like, you know, they still have that antique eclectic look to it and not just like that overblown bubble butt. I mean, I like a bubble butt like any guy does, but according to your Facebook page for sure, you ever seen, you ever seen that picture of me when the Bugatti Chiron?

You're welcome.

Yeah, that was, you took that picture. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a modeling picture with some in front of an airplane, a jet of some sort and the red Bugatti Chiron and then me just doing, you know, this, this number. So you all have to, I'll have to show it to you. It's a funny picture. You can flash it up there.

People can see a big dumpy truck.

But yes, we're doing a singer. We're doing a Sesto Elemento sent to Oblivion with horsepower by Enthmoto because f*** UGR because I like Aaron. And then what was the third one? CTS or the Cadillac V. The Cadillac V. Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, the Ascens, Ascens 7.

You can change it next time.

All right. Next time. Anyway, carry on.

Well, sweet. On that note, then you've kind of already listed off where people can find you. So Minnesota sold for house stuff. Buy a f****** house. Minnesota gains if you like lifting and food. The food especially. This is the guide for food recommendations, which we will ask you because Caleb is currently on his way and we will figure out what we're going to grab and you're welcome to join.

Sure.

Have you been to Flynn's in Richfield?

I have.

It's really good.

I started going there. Their hot dog is f****** amazing. Okay, I'm going to sidetrack. But anyways, anywhere else where people can find you.

Well, I mean, Noble M12 GTO 3R. That's my Noble's page, I don't post as much there. It depends on the season. I'll get content based off the season sometimes. And I guess it depends on what it's about. If you just want to message me on Facebook or whatever, I actually have a couple profiles. I do one with just Jeff Storms. It's mainly family and more close friends and stuff like that. And I have Jeffree Storms, which I don't know if you're supposed to have two Facebooks or whatever, but I do. One, the other one is mainly like memes and real estate and just like general posts. And it's just networking b*******. If I didn't, if I wasn't a realtor man, I probably wouldn't have much social media. I wouldn't give two s****. I did look at like some of my stuff before I was a realtor. You know, those memories that pop up on Facebook. You're like, yeah, I was a doofus every year for me. Yeah, I, it gives me the chance to amend that and delete. So like, yeah, I said that. Oh, yeah, that doesn't align with how I think now. Or like political stuff. I just don't care about politics. I mean, I do, but I don't, right? Yeah. But yeah, people can just message me on Facebook, Instagram. You know, if people want to know anything about buying a house, like advice is free. You know, obviously, I appreciate the people that understand that my time is valuable. At least I think it is, it is to me. You know, but I also appreciate loyalty and honesty. You know, for example, you know, Tien over at Tint Pros. Yeah, yeah. He's got a relative that's a realtor, but I appreciate him because he understands business and he understands people's time. He hit me up, he was in the process of buying a house and stuff like that. He is actually one of my neighbors now. He's in the process of buying a house, but he wanted my opinion, my advice. And I knew that he had a realtor. Well, I didn't know per se, but I was like, I kind of assumed, but he let off with like just letting you know. And I appreciated that.

Yeah.

I will still give you advice, even if you're like, you know, your brother's mom's nephew, cousin, whatever.

Just be forthcoming about it. Like, hey, I might not work with you, but what's your thoughts?

I would, I mean, ultimately, you know, if I can work with you, that's how I make money, you know? And it's not a small chunk of change. So if somebody comes out and they dangle a carrot, like, oh yeah, I'm gonna be buying a house. And all of a sudden, you know, I give them advice and then they go with somebody else. That sucks. I think it's a five, 10, 15, sometimes $20,000 paycheck. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna dangle this carrot for you. Nope. So just be forthcoming with me if you need any advice. But food, I mean, I'll talk food all day. If people wanna know how to make a steak, you know, like you look on my Instagram, you'll see all the steaks and stuff like that. Or lifting, you wanna know about power lifting? You know, it's the Minnesota games.

We didn't get too much into it, but I've learned a lot from you. I mean, before I hurt my hamstring, I was up to three plates going on four, dead lifting. I was getting so much stronger so quick.

Yeah, you were kind of a soupy noodle first.

I still kind of am. I'm still a little guy, you know.

I mean, like you were just wobbly. Like you take a noodle out of a piece of soup, or a thing of soup, and that's kind of what you were. Just kind of like gangly.

I'm a thick rigatoni now.

Now you're, yes. You're a little more dense now. You're still looking good, by the way.

Yeah, not too shabby. I'm coming down a little bit. Hey, we'll get into me later, I promise. Dan, where can people find you?

You can find us at Gunna Garage with two N's. Clark, we got a little bit of snowmobile stuff there for you for a brief moment when it snowed.

As you say, this year must have been kind of horrible for that.

Yeah, the snowmobiling was a bust this year.

Did you get out last week or whatever?

Yeah, so when we got all that snow, we went up to our cabin up north and just rode around in the yard. The trails never opened up or anything like that, but I got the kids out, got them ripping around a little bit. Put my eight-year-old son on my 200-horsepower turbo snowmobile and let him ride around the yard a little bit.

So there we'll swap keys with that. We'll snowmobile in the 200-horsepower.

Sounds good, man.

I'm actually curious, before we sign off here, for all three people that are left listening, would you guys ever swap keys to the GT500 and The Noble?

I'd swap keys with anybody.

Because you've never driven a GT500, have you?

I've driven Mustangs, but not a GT500.

Yeah, it's definitely different.

It's a different pedigree of Mustang. What year? 2021.

Oh, yeah, I haven't driven one of those. I've driven a 2013, the older, yeah.

I want one of those. My wife has a 13 GT right now. I'm trying to get her to join the Shelby Club. I want a 1314, but they don't give those away right now either.

I had a buddy, I think he sold it. He bought a Gen 4 Viper. A green one is f****** pretty. And he had a red one with racing stripes, and it was his baby.

They're the last of the, for the Shelby's, the raw fire-breathing monster that you have to actually have driver skill to drive. This thing is like a refined gentleman now, this GT 500, with the DCT and everything. It kind of drives for you, but.

That's all right.

Same DCT as a 458. On that note, because this conversation is definitely going to continue, but this is super fun.

You're going to see this big trail off the.

Definitely a lot better than our first ever podcast back in the whiplash days. So that was really cool. Yeah, we're going to be wrapping up here at two hours, 40 something minutes. That's.

One of your longer ones?

My longest one I want to say was Caleb, our last episode. He did three hours 20 before that was Paul Roady. And we could obviously keep going. Yeah. I feel my stomach gurgling.

You can say you're shutting me down here.

I know we gotta shut down the production. I'm gonna start talking about snowmobiling and f****** Fords again. But on that note, if you guys have made it this far, you should know where you're at, Minnoxide. Be sure to sign up for, let's see the newsletter, this hat. Actually, when I dropped this episode, it's gonna be the last day of getting the Minnoxide hat, not this hat, but nonetheless, be sure to check out all our sponsors, all that fun stuff. Follow Jeff on all his pages, food stuff. I'm really hungry. Damn, thanks for existing, and we'll see y'all next time.