89. 1000HP Hondas, Drag Racing, Evolution of Modding Cars, w/ Peter Lee, Fuji Fang, Aign "Money" Eel

Cool, well, hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Minnoxide Podcast. I'm your host, Harris, AKA Minnoxide, man of many automotive aspirations, and I'm here with my, it's been a long day, co-host.

See, now, we're sharing a mic, so this is gonna be weird. I just started talking there, and I didn't have a mic in front of me. Yeah, it's been, we do these events, we go out, and then we party at night, so like, we probably should be more professional about it, but sometimes I'm a little brain dead the next day.

Yeah, because we got three guests in here, plus me and Dan, usually I just kick Dan out, but yeah, we got five of us in here, and this is a made at home production, so we're missing a fifth mic, but nonetheless, today we got some Honda guys on. I've been saying this since we had Kyle Larkin on, like I need to talk to some fast Honda guys, because he works on Hondas, but realistically, we've never had anybody that races them consistently, like you guys do, right? So today we got Peter, Fuji, and then, you know that brain dead thing he was talking about?

Can we just call you Money?

You can.

Yeah, alright, sounds good.

Easier. He goes by Money. So yeah, I mean, you know, I've met all three of you here for the first time, I think, here. I don't think we've met before. No, I haven't, no. Yeah, sometimes I pop into John's shop, and he has various people in there, and I meet people all the time there. But that's one of the highlights of this event, is people, there's a lot of fast Hondas out here. A lot of them, and you guys fall into that category. So I don't know, each of you kind of tell me about your builds, and then obviously on the tuning side of things, just kind of tell me about it. So I guess we'll start with you. Just tell us about your car.

Yeah, once again, Peter Lee. I have a 93 Honda Civic Hatch CX all-wheel drive. It is a K24 fully-built with a 62-70 precision turbo, and that's pretty much it. Basic all-wheel drive build.

Nice and simple, like straight to the point.

Straight to the point, yeah.

And then you're not all-wheel drive, but you still got a pretty legit build.

Yeah, so a little bit about my car. My car is older than all my kids. I've had it since 2001, 2002-ish. It's a 98 Honda Civic. I've owned it ever since then. Babyed it, garage-ed it. Zero rust for Minnesota. It's a 1,000 horsepower Civic. It's a front-wheel drive car, making a lot of big boosts. Turbo's as big as the motor, pretty much. I've had it for a long time, and it's sentimental value, and it's tried and true, and it's still hanging on with me.

So you're the original owner of that car?

Yeah.

Really? So did it mod right out the gate, or you just drive it, enjoyed the car for a while, and then started building?

No, we had baby mods at first, in terms of rims, started with rims, then lowering the car, and then removing the back seats to make things lighter. As time went on, less and less pieces of the car was actually in the interior. Then went to the nitrous side of it. Back then, the importer side didn't have any technology. Nobody was really interested in building it. Because these were gas savers, right? These were gas saver cars. They were meant to be reliable and to get great gas mileage, right? There was really no technology, no support for it, so a lot of us just made stuff up along the way. Whatever works, share the news. There was no internet back then, right? A lot of it was just through phone and through networking and just talking. No texting, no online forums, no nothing back then. But it's progressed. It's been with me for a long time, and like I said, it's older than all my kids.

So tell us a little bit about you, because I saw you on a computer. You're the guy with the laptop.

Yes, I am the guy with the laptop. So my name is Nia. People call me Money. If you don't pay my money, they'll call you money. But yeah, I own a 2001 S5000. It's turbocharged. I had that car for a while, too. But yeah, you said I'm the guy with the laptop. Well, yeah, I started tuning when my cousin Pachua didn't have a place to put his dyno. So he put it on my house, and I was like, oh, s***, my brother's car is here, and I'll just throw it on and see what it is, you know, see what I can do. And from there on, I learned what the software does and what things they're doing, and that's what started it.

What software did you start on?

I started on AEM Affinity.

Okay, and how long ago did you get into tuning then? How many years ago was that?

Three.

Three?

Not too long. Well, Peter's car was the next one I tuned. It was on a hot tech, so I tuned his car. It's doing pretty good, but it could be better. Still figuring out the software, figuring out what things are doing in there. Other than that, I tuned a few other kind of softwares. What is it, Honda? Honda is not bad. Pretty much anything. They're pretty much all like, I can say this, tuning software. You have your fuel, your ignition, and then you have your launch stuff. And that's about it. Nothing else than that.

Well, I mean, you guys are running pretty quick out here. Now, granted, some things didn't go as planned. That's just racing. Yes, that's racing. That's just part of it. But I remember you were telling us a story yesterday. The fastest run you've had, what was it?

Yeah, so the fastest time I went with my car was in Oklahoma, Tulsa. I went 9.1 at 158 miles per hour.

Is that the one that you said you were missing third gear?

Yep, I missed it into third, and then I got it back into third, and then put it back into fourth, and it still went 9.1. Potentially could have been the 8.9, 8.8 pass for sure.

And then you guys kind of look like you're a few years apart then. So what's the age difference between you guys then?

So I grew up watching these guys drag race when I was in middle school, and I watched my older brother, he raced too, but everyone just street racing back then versus these guys were always at the drag strip. Like you name it, in the Midwest, Great Lakes, Rock Falls, these guys were always there testing, braking, learning their cars up. And I always saw them from afar. I never really hung out with them until I started building my own car and kind of connected with, once again, Pachua. I went with him to California to get his dyno, brought it back to his house, and he started learning to tune. It kind of escalated from there to where we are today. That's how I met Peter. I've always watched them from afar, from just the sidelines pretty much.

And by the way, the dyno, did I say it was PC's dyno? Yeah. And my cousin.

Yeah, we drove, or I drove, two straight days ago to San, to the valleys of California, and then pretty much drove back in a four-day trip. It was crazy. But it was a really good price for the dyno during that time because we bought it during first year of COVID, so like 2019-ish.

Yeah.

It's the beginning of COVID. It was an adventure for sure.

And they let you in and out of the state of California?

Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, during that time, it was, you know, like, masked up. A lot of the gas stations, or at least a lot of the states that we went through were red states, and you know how that goes. We won't go there, but that no one really had COVID precautions until we got to, you know, the other states that were more like, where to go about it. It wasn't too bad, honestly. Stopped in Vegas had fun, too.

Gotta stop in Vegas, yeah.

So yeah, I mean, spending four days locked in a truck with some, you know, people that you just met, that'll solidify a friendship for sure.

For sure, yeah.

So we're seeing a lot of Hondas here. Is there like a Honda Super Bowl somewhere? Is there like an event? Like, is this a pretty big one for you guys? And then, like, what are the... What's the fastest Civic out there?

So if you're talking about class of Civics, right, there's a lot of different classes. There's front-wheel drive, there's all-wheel drive, and then there's some rear-wheel drive Civics, but they don't utilize the Honda Motors, right? But the fastest all-wheel drive Civic right now, to date, is Speed Factory's all-wheel drive Civic. It's a B-Series all-wheel drive. It runs, like, 6.8 or 6.9 or something like that.

On the West Coast, yeah.

Yeah, and they're on the West Coast. And then, if you're talking about second runner-up for K-Series, it's in Florida. Frustrate, it's a green EG hatch K-Series all-wheel drive sequential. So, but otherwise, if you're talking about all-suburble out, like, just Hondas only, we just came back from H-Day. We went out there to watch a bunch of 7-seconds all-wheel drive, front-wheel drive cars. It's pretty much, H-Day is pretty much what it stands for, Honda Day, right? Honda Day.

Yeah.

Pretty much nothing there but besides Hondas.

Not like the radio commercial here about Honda Day, where you go in and you get signed.

Yeah, so you guys know Jason, you know like Jason Pro was there? Jason Pro does the kind of like, he leads kind of the show car side of the deal, and the drag racing is led by somebody else, so it's just a big community come together as, consider it Honda Day.

It's a day for all Hondas to go.

It's basically like this, this event, except all Hondas.

Yeah, so just to kind of touch on that, you know, Hondas in general, you know, you have a small displacement cylinder, before the all-wheel drive phenomenon is front wheel drive, right? So the front wheel drive guys will always have a disadvantage because basically, you know, the weight transfer is horrible because you're spinning the front tires, you know, versus the rear tires. So historically, the front wheel drive guys has always struggled with traction. You know, you can make 1200, 1300 horsepower, but if you can't get it to the ground, you're not going nowhere, right? You're just spinning. So to counteract that, you know, a lot of the guys, front wheel drive guys, put a lot of weight in the front, you know, just to put all the pressure down onto your slicks. The game changer, that was when some of the guys started moving parts from like CRVs, Honda elements, that were all wheel drive into the Civics, right? And that was a game changer. Now traction is not the problem anymore. Now you can utilize that 12, 13, 1400 horsepower, grab the power just like a real wheel drive car can. And now definitely at Honda day, you know, you're seeing six seconds, seven seconds, like it's a normal thing now, you know? And it's definitely opened up a lot of eyes on the, I'd say the domestic car side, because they're saying, you know, how are these little four cylinders running this fast? And these guys are going 200 plus miles per hour, and these little four cylinders. Well, it's crazy.

Like, for example, the first Huracan in the sixes was just a few months ago. It's like you got Hondas that have been doing that forever, and it's like you got a third of the cylinders. That's crazy. So, hold on. We're sharing a mic here. We're fighting for a mic over here. Honestly, dude, because he comes from a Ford background. I come from a Mopar background. And through this podcast and being a photographer, I've learned about all these different platforms. But Hondas is just that one that's just been elusive to me. Just because I've been hanging around. I started getting around John recently, so I'm trying to learn more of this stuff. Is there a reason that you're still front wheel drive? Because I know that Peter's all wheel drive. Is that a plan of yours in the future to go all wheel drive, or you like that front wheel stuff?

I think it's your self goal. You want to self challenge. Some people do say that going all wheel drive, that's the smarter way to do things, to go fast instantly, versus why am I keep fighting with adding weight in the front and staying front wheel drive, right? I believe that for my personal goals, I want to be as fast as I can going front wheel drive. If stuff evolves later on, if I do want to go all wheel drive, I still have the option to add the all wheel drive components on to.

Well, that's one of the questions I was going to ask when I was trying to slap him to get the mic from him. How hard is that conversion? I saw that CRV transfer case, it's about this big. I think I can put it in the glove box in my car. Is it a pretty simple deal?

So there's a lot of kits out there like S1, HCP, another FCS. There's a lot of good kits out there. And some kits are very where minimum fabrication. It's just bolt on. And then there's some kits like mine, you're going to have to cut at least the upper back of the control arm to kind of clear where the diff sits. So when I first started doing, I saw that they came up with the R&D in all-wheel drive. I just knew I had to hop on. It's just no brainer. Front-wheel drive, Honda's spinning, not winning, right? So it's like all-wheel drive, I'm just all in. So back to that question. It's easy, and it could be as complicated as you want. It's just depending on what kind of horsepower you're trying to aim for and what kind of power or use you're trying to do for racing-wise.

So that was another question I had. These motors. I know what it's like to take a Coyote to 1,000. It's not too hard, but whatever. But the fact is you guys are squeezing 1,000 horsepower out of these. What is the placement on them? Like 1.8, 1.9? So how high can you go before you got to go billet block?

So we've seen guys on a professional level push these up to north of 1,600 horsepower. Before, and that's on the CAS.

80 PSI? 70 PSI?

Yeah, like Jamie Piafai here this weekend. He told me with the data that they went down, even though they shot the crank out the block, that would have been one of the fastest passes he would have laid down, like going down to Orlando, Florida. And he's like, damn, I like that. I like to see data like that versus going to a crappy track and then compare to those data. Because Jamie, they race maybe 50 races a year. And I guess for them exploring up to Minnesota, it gives them a point of view like, yeah, I would love to come back out here again for sure, at least according to PFI.

Yeah, and Hondas were, you know, Honda engineers, they never imagined 400 horsepower per cylinder. It's just a crazy amount of power, and the technology just progressed so much. But the main thing is that a lot of us are squeezing. We're basically borderline of breaking every time if we make that pass, because we're squeezing all we can out of this little bolt, 2.0, 1.8, or this little force, and we're just maxing everything out, sending it every time.

But I want to add a little bit of something to these Honda motors. To make it a little bit more reliable, you got to have your own little secret ingredient to it, like don't go copper O-ring or go fire O-ring, or torque spikes or different head gaskets, or just something like timing, setting timing. You hear all these Hondas here, they sound like lawnmowers, because it's locked VTEC, so how do I set the cam's degree to where I don't need to add so much timing to get it where I need it to go, at least for time and speed. So there's a little bit, I guess, of experience and error and trier within everyone's cars and builds.

Who's in your camp, right? Each camp might have a different approach. There's a few different groups here, I believe, right? So they each might approach it differently, is what you're saying?

My thing is, whatever program your tuner's on, you have to be on that program. That's what I always refer to. Whatever my tuner says, I'm just doing it. I have no question to ask.

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So I came across a video the other day, and it was somebody putting concrete in their block.

Yeah.

And that's a Honda thing, right? They put it in the water jackets or in the cooling area on the outside of the cylinder to make it stronger.

Right.

You guys know anybody doing that kind of s***?

Well, we have a guy here.

There's a couple of guys here doing it.

That has epoxy blocks, which is very similar. Maybe it's not as strong as concrete. You see Boosted Boys, they post their results with concrete blocks all the time. It's a hit and miss. It's just like a band-aid.

I'll get you by, but honestly, if you really want to do it right, you have to just leave your block. Don't be cheap. I want to be cheap.

Yeah, don't be cheap.

You're gonna pay for it at the end.

So you guys aren't filling yours with anything then?

So I have a CSS block on mine, so it's not really a sleeve. It's just kind of like a guard, you know, versus Fuji.

Yeah, my sleeves are RS sleeves, and this guy's from Los Angeles. Dave from RS, RS Machine. So I've got his sleeves from him, which is proven. Great guy. I've been in the industry for a long time, and he does a lot of big names as well. OG sleeves. So Peter's CSS, more like a block guard style. I'm full sleeve, you know. And then the concrete epoxy stuff, that's more like a... Yeah, I guess......pull it and a lot of pressure build-ups, so a lot of them go that route.

Yeah, well, they just do that just to hold the cylinder walls from flexing. That's about it. But like I said, it works, but you're better off if you want to steel. Steel sleeves are the best. Because you know, that aluminum, I think it's not going to hold.

Have you guys always been Honda guys, by the way?

Yeah.

Well, not really. I've always owned STIs, a Super. MK4 Supra that I sold to build my hatch. It's a crazy story, but we won't go there, I think.

Yeah, I've always been a Honda guy, because I think as a youngster, you always start off with a Civic, a gas saver, never meant to go fast. The parents would buy you one.

Cheap and affordable.

Do they know? It started getting progressively faster, and more gutted.

Cutting the springs.

I'm an original Honda guy. I also have Supras, and I'm all around just a car guy. I love every kind of build, whether it's import, domestic, high horsepower, show cars.

You're going to get a Hellcat soon? Is that what you're telling me?

Oh yeah, I love Hellcats.

Well for me, if the Hellcat is an all-wheel drive, I'm not with you. That's the program for me.

I'm just an all-around car guy. I love all builds, and I give credit to anybody who wrenches on it, and has the same passion.

So one thing you mentioned earlier on is technology has progressed so much, and tuning as a whole has changed a lot in the last 20 years. Oh yeah. Would you say you got your car in 2002?

Yep, 2002.

So what's changed between now and then? What's something that you've noticed over the years? Because you made a jump from 3, 4, 500, 100 horsepower every two years, right? Is that the math? I don't know. What are you at now, a thousand?

Yeah, well over a thousand.

So you're gaining 100 horsepower every three, four years. Is that how you saw it?

Yeah, that's exactly. I think the biggest jump for the Honda game is the support and the engineering and the integration of these standalone ECUs. Computers, yeah, ECUs. Back then, we were using stock, just original stock ECUs, tricking it, or we would put chips in it, solder chips in it, try to change out the maps. We would go as far as going to pet stores and buying check valves, check valves and like aquarium tubing to increase your boost or your map pressure. So we had to be very creative because there was no support, there was no technology behind it yet. But like you mentioned, as the years progressed, people started noticing that these guys are getting faster. So there's a market for it. And if there's a market for it, people are interested in designing something for it. So we've been very blessed to see the progression of soldering your own little chip in there. To now, there's a full-blown support and a market with various ECUs that we can utilize to be just competitive as the domestic market or the European market.

One thing I learned, I was watching a video last week, a 40-minute documentary on the 2JZ. People didn't really start figuring out how insane that was until 10 years after the fact, just because the technology wasn't there to really push it. I mean, they really overbuilt that thing. It was just crazy. So you probably saw a lot of that. You're all K-motors, right? Beasters, yeah. So what's the difference between you guys then, for us domestic boys?

So just simple terms, B is built and K is chain. It's new and old, right? It's just modern cars, chains.

Timing chains versus timing belt.

There's more to it, too. The K-motor is more advanced in technology-wise.

As far as flow and everything, right?

Yeah, it's a way bigger motor.

When you say way bigger, how much bigger?

The ports are way bigger. The NJ ports, the exhaust ports, the displacement. You could get a B-series up to maybe 2.2, the most. And it probably still won't flow as much as a K-320. So a 2.0 K-20 might flow better.

Yeah, so the years of B-generations started at 1.6 liter, and ended at 1.8. K-series started at 2.0, and with the K-24. So it's pretty much all-motor Ks. They board that all the way up to 2.7 for all-motor. Turbo, you don't need to board that big, besides just honing your piston rings to whatever spec that you feel like works for yourself.

Yeah, but just going back to what you said about the 2JZ, like the B-series, it wasn't known about the potential of it until pretty recently. I think right now, if I'm correct, I think the B-series motor still holds the world record for being faster, though.

But the K-series is right behind it.

Yeah, right behind it.

It's not far. Just because technology has so advanced right now, everyone's pushing these things, like throwing tons of money and R&D in it.

But it comes from these imports building their stuff to be dependable and whatever. So they accidentally over-engineer their stuff to the point where you guys get your hands on it and you're like, well, let's see where s*** breaks.

Right, that's exactly right. Well, I think I've heard this from other podcasts and just tuners, like top-notch tuners. They feel like Japan, when they're manufacturing these motors, they didn't plan for us to freaking mod these motors to be at 2,000 horsepower capable. They mod it to where it's most efficient, and that's what Japanese really empathize on, you know? Efficiency.

I had a 1990 Honda Accord four-door, five-speed, and the clutch went out, and it had 220,000 miles, and I was a young kid, I beat the living s*** out of that car. I took it to the junkyard. I bet if you went out there now, you could still start that f***** up.

Back then, probably when I was watching these guys race, you know, single cam turbo was pretty much the top dog of drag racing, because the motors were so surprisingly efficient that you didn't even need to go to B-Series, because B-Series, like, yeah, they had deep pockets. But single cams can hang just as much, throw all the boost at it, and they'll handle it, even though a single cam is a D-Series of the Honda Motors, and it's like 1.6 liter. So it's, so, you know, like, Honda Motors are, each series of the engines are capable of its own power level and torture pretty much.

How much boost are you guys running through there?

So today, my car has seen probably the highest boost ever. So we made 37.

And is that after you told him, hey, turn it up?

Yeah.

I was aiming for 50, but the turbo he has is carrying out too much back pressure, so it's opening the, pushing open the wastegate, and it's just limiting us from spinning the turbo faster. He has to change the setup to like a CO2, so we can actually use that CO2 to shut the gate.

And get more power.

Pretty much overspin the turbo to get it to the 50 pounds.

And in my car, I think we've seen like, I've seen 55. 55 pounds.

But today we did 45 pounds. It wasn't really running right. We had some, I guess things we had to, gremlins today. He's been out racing for, I think, a year now.

Good thing your competitor has some bigger gremlins today.

He dropped something off on the track.

I think, once again, the Honda motors, I guess, over-engineered, and we got lucky. That would have been, like they say, bringing a knife to a gunfight.

You don't have nothing and he has a gun? That car is bad. That car is a six-second car. It's a Pro Mod, right? Am I correct in that?

It's almost a Pro Mod, but not really. It's one of those classes below it or something. We just had a conversation with a guy an hour ago, and we already forgot. When we listen back to the tape, we'll find out.

I bet it's eight miles, like what, 3.8? 3.9?

I think it was high threes, really low fours. I think he was touching the threes.

These guys, they're no joke. They're pretty quick.

He came to talk to us. He was like, yeah, super upset, having a faster car. He said he watched Fuji run at 14, and he was just slapping the face. And his car could have been just running and could have coasted down there, probably running 14, honestly.

Very good sportsman, though. He came and shook my hand. Every race has its days. Some days are better, some days are worse. And if you go out to enough events, eventually you'll get that win, right? Or you might get the loss, but you won't know unless you show two events and perform it and race. So, very good guy.

So you guys do a lot of traveling for events as well, then?

So, I lived in California for a while. Moved back to Minnesota. Previously, about five, ten years ago, we would go up and down the West Coast from Southern California all the way to Seattle, and then cutting east, head out to Las Vegas, Arizona. Since I moved back to Minnesota here, we've gone to Great Lakes, which is in Wisconsin, right there towards the Chicago area.

It's three of his neighbor states. We haven't gone to H-Day over in New Jersey or anything far.

We haven't done any far road trips. I think the only person to do that would be Nate. He's been to World Cup. There's another guy, an All-Mora guy, David Chang. He took out his All-Mora car to WCF, H-Day. I think he won one of those.

Do you guys know about WCF?

World Cup finals? Yeah, I've heard of it. I'm a bucket list. I want to go. I want to at some point, but have you guys been spectators?

We haven't gone there, but we always watch it on live.

Nothing gets done when World Cup's on, because we're on and watching.

You guys have friends going there, too, right?

I saw some of these guys go. What's his name? He's always there. He's a very competitive racer, well known in the Honda community as well.

Do you guys have goals for something like that? I mean, is this kind of just like you're having a good time, you like going to the track, it's a hobby, or do you guys want to do some competing and a little more traveling?

Well, for me, I built my car to be in the mean street, which is a 64 true class, which turbo trim 64 and then being at 2600 pound minimum. I always built that to be a WCF car in the class. But this year, it got bumped out of WCF. So a lot of people are upset and they sold their turbos and they're ditching it going bigger now. So Tony, I guess the only events that was still qualified would be small events like this or IFO. But we try to not go to IFOs because we don't like the one day thing. It's just rushing yourself. Especially this weekend, my transfer case exploded. I had to get one here, rob one of my brother's car. Axle breaking. It's just not feasible just for a one day event. Especially when you spend so much money going out there already. In my opinion at least.

The nice thing about... Well, not the nice thing, the thing that sucks is you had to go two hours back to the cities. Some of these other tracks, for example, a Texas 2K Summit Racing is 30 minutes away.

Just like their home turf.

But for you, you had to make a call. First of all, you had to see if anybody has it. You were working in the pits. How long did it take you to swap that today?

The transfer case, it took me about two hours. Because I had never dissembled one from taking all these internals off before. So I just called one of my friends, Alex Nguyen from Omaha, and I was like, hey, yo, just tell me what I need to take off. He's like, take off this cover, and then there's an axon that holds it. So don't shoot off the L-Wrench socket on the front side. I'm like, oh, damn, I've been trying to get that off the whole time. It's just a rookie mistake. But now I know I can definitely assemble one at this point.

More so like Peter's situation, it's not really about having the part, but having the determination not to give up. Finding different routes, different avenues, and working who you can, networking, and just not giving up. I think that's the most important part of this sport is don't let those things just drag you down and give up. That's the easy route, right?

Yeah, definitely.

Challenge yourself and find a way, find a path to get it solved, right? And if you don't get it solved, at least you attempted to, you know?

Well, yeah, I was hanging around your camp over there, and you're like, man, we came up here. We're not going to give up. It's like we're already here.

Exactly. Well, I was saying Fuji, there's no way they can help me because they never done it before. So me being a K-Series guy, I'm going to have to just kind of take the initiative myself and be pit crew myself and like, you know, and be the racer at the same time. But definitely, like I said, it's very discouraging when you can't figure something out. But if it's just one of those things like you, if you really think back about it at the moment, you never realize that how fresh, how it is very frustrating, but it's also rewarding. As soon as I was done, I figured it out. I was like, heck yes, I can go back and race now. I'm all happy again. You know, I was like, forget about the problems that we just had. We just learned it, you know.

It's so I've broken some stuff. We do a lot of rallies, and these guys always give me s***. But I kind of take pride in the fact that I've never been stranded. Yeah, we've been on rallies. I've done wheel bearings in parking garages. I've done. I've had to do supercharger belts all the time. I had one time I had a wire break off my starter. Yeah, I have my wife with me. So it's like she's sitting in a car and either we pop start. Or I lay. I had to get underneath the car, put it in neutral, put the brake on, lay underneath, touch the wire to the positive side. So she starts and then get back in the car and go. Exactly. It looks real stupid. Got this race car and I'm laying underneath at the start.

What did you choose? Pop the clutch?

I could have her do it, but yeah, I'll put it in second gear. Then I try and park somewhere where I'm on a hill. Otherwise, my wife, she'll get out and shove that car so I can pop the clutch.

It's crazy.

Yeah. So I don't know. Like I said, I feel like I've had guys come up to me that are driving big time six figure cars and be like, dude, I'm impressed that you can do that stuff. And I think it means a lot to me. And I think I take a lot of pride in the fact that I can. You're not going to stop me.

You work in your own cars. You don't mind getting dirty. That's the key thing. There's a lot of people here that just buy cars and try to race it. I give props to the people who are willing to get dirty and get their hands. Do your thing.

Push it back in the trailer, drop it back over the shop and go, she broke, I needed a fix for this weekend.

Also, I hope that you have some friends supporting you as well. Maybe not supporting you and helping you learn it, but maybe just like, hey, don't give up. It might be discouraging at the moment, but I know you can figure it out. It's not rocket science here. It's just a matter of taking the initiative and getting it done.

Or just in, I mean, it sounds dumb, but I've had when I was doing my wheel bearing, I had three or four guys, everybody was inside having a dinner party, and they're just out there drinking beers, just keeping me company while I'm working on my car.

I was pretty frustrated today. I was just like, I didn't know what I was doing, but it's just like, take one apart quickly, and try to remember that sequence, and hopefully it goes back together the same way you'd rip one apart to put the other one on together.

I gotta give you props on that, man. You were over in that camp, and I didn't see a moment of despair or nothing. You had some positivity over there. Everybody around you is being all supportive. You jump on the phone. It's difficult, right? And to be fair, I've seen you do this on rallies as well, Dan. When his stuff's not working, he's like upset, but it's like, you know what? We're gonna get back on the road. You have that determination. And I didn't see a moment you were mad. And that's impressive. I gotta give you that.

I was just maybe frustrated and mad inside myself, within myself, but I just like... I gotta stay positive around my people too, you know? Especially when you're out here racing, and they don't have their cards, because their cards are still sitting on Jackson. You gotta be an example. You gotta give them some type of encouragement maybe, or maybe just show them that this is what it really takes, even though I might be frustrated. But at the same time, they're like, yeah, next time, they're gonna be out here with their cards, doing the same thing, and maybe support that along the generations of youngsters. That's what I want to see, just watch the sport grow, because I'm not gonna lie, here in the Midwest, like we were telling Brad, it's good to see them come up from Colorado. It gives growth and potential, and it's sad that we didn't have the normal crowd here at Brainerd, but hopefully next time when they come back in September, it could be a sold out event. I would love to see it. I feel like they deserve it more than us, even though we're locals, but just continuously hope and show support with one another really helps grow this community.

Well, the way I see it, right, is, for example, we have some people from Canada over here. So it's like, every time you move states, it's a different hub, right? So if you're Colorado, right, and you're racing in Vegas or whatever, you're going to get some more Cali guys. But if you're in Colorado and you come out to a Minnesota event, you're going to get some more East Coast guys. It's just a little easier, because it's a lot easier to do a 10-hour drive than a 20-hour drive. So it's a little different mix.

I could see this event growing, too. I think it's had some rocky paths and some things, and it's changed hands a couple of times. But I think I got a lot of faith in the hands that it's in now. I think that this is going to be good, and I hope they keep doing it. And yeah, I think this one in the fall, hopefully, is a little bit bigger. But yeah, this has been absolutely great.

I agree with you. I had a lot of youngsters came up today. They're like, whoa, there's so many fast cars here. I was like, yeah, I told you guys to come up, you know? You guys normally would come up. I don't know why you guys decided not to.

I think this event, like you mentioned, it was kind of rocky up and down, not really consistent. And it's starting to be more known as a party weekend versus a competition. And then when you hear that, then the folks that are competing, like the Chicago guys or the Iowa guys, or more of the guys that have to make that travel, they don't want to come up. It's just a party. If they're serious about competing or if it's not dedicated for drag racing, they don't want to waste their time because they're spending a lot of money on the cars, trying to be the best of the best and not come here for a clown show. They want to be here to prove themselves or to have a nice track prep. So the promoters here, the organizers definitely changed the game. A lot of the time was on point. Everything was all business. Less party and more so less race.

Not to say we didn't party a little bit. It's good to hear that we don't party.

We won't mention, John. Cut that out. I'm sorry, John.

It's good to hear that from the racer perspective too. We're just here spectating. We're not really participating. We're not at a competitive level even if we did bring our cars. But it's good to hear that from the racer perspective because we do want to see that grow. And Charlie, who's overseeing this overall event here, and obviously you got Kerry on the drag side, whoever else on the autocross side. I've been spending a lot of time over here in case you didn't notice. On this side of the track. But that's his ultimate mission. He's trying to make this event as good as possible. He wants to bring the big names. An event has to grow, right? You can keep it grassroots for as long as you can, and you'll always have those styles of events, but you also need one or two events that's the big leagues. You need something for the locals to aspire to, and you need out-of-towners to come. So yeah, we can still have, like, you know, whatever, a speed summit, a rookie, whatever. But you need a top-tier event like this that does draw a crowd. Do you guys think that this is heading in the right direction?

To me, I think the track officials here, the property, the tools they have available for this, because they, Brando can hold a big NHRA event, so I know that they can do it, you know. It's up to us as the local racers, as well as working with the local track officials here, to grow it together, right? It takes a team to grow this, right? They have the facility, but then, you know, if they hold their end of the bargain, we'll hold our end of the bargain. It has to mesh, you know, it has to mesh, and I believe it will, and it can.

So what does them and you, so what does each end of the bargain look like?

I'd say if they can provide us, you know, the track prep, which they're doing a great job now.

That's good to hear. Rep is everything.

Also, you know, like testing, you know, testing time, you know, give us enough time to test. Don't hot lap us to us, you know, a lot of these cars. When we pull a shoe, you know, we have to take time to let the cars cool down, repack shoes, you know, go through all the safety, you know, recharge our 60 volts. A lot of us don't have alternators. We run on just enough power to get down the track, right? And then it's almost that, you know, the power, the battery is at almost like 25% only, you know. So I think if they can hold their end of the bargain, just kind of give us a little time, give us more track time, you know, versus mixing it up with too many events like roll racing or what do you call it, the triple-thread stuff and then kind of pushing the drag races outside, more as like a second option, you know. That will definitely get more of the drag races back in and say, okay, we'll get enough seat time, you know, they won't hot lap us. Secondly, they will kind of work with us as far as what our needs are, you know. I think that's going to be key to having a good partnership. And growing this events like this, you know, in this facility.

So do you think, so right now, this is like a two and a half, three day kind of event. Do you foresee like in the future, like if this is like a four day event, would that kind of make sense or would that be pushing it? Because like Texas is like a week now.

I think that, well, that would be pushing it, but because we didn't, you know, I think we're good with, we should, I guess we should, the schedule should have stayed like, you know, a three day event, you know, for drag racing.

Like how it used to be.

Oh, yeah. And today, like, say Friday, we wouldn't have to qualify. Usually Friday is a test in two days. Yeah.

Look at the bugs.

And Saturday, we'll be qualifying. And then Sunday, wake up Sunday, we're in eliminations, we're going, you know. So that means that that gives you time. Say during qualification on, what is it, on Saturday, right? Then you break and you needed that, that half a day or whatever you got left until the next morning. Well, that's time that you can.

It's the grace period of courtesy of getting your, trying to get your car fixed.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess they, yeah, we had the same three day event again. It'd be nice, you know, because like we're about to be done, like what about a few hours here? So, you know, I guess not a lot of people, you see how many buys we had here, you know, they could have fixed their cars, you know, because they didn't have time, you know.

Yeah, I think cleaning it up, it seems very professional here right now. So that's going to get some more, some more people in here. And then, you know, you were talking about what that looks like on both ends. And then we have to agree to not act like a** hats, right? I mean, I feel like it's not that hard to do. You know, and like we were saying, if you also like to have a good time, you got the wheelie bar. We were in there having shots last night. I mean, you still you can have you can have a good time.

Exactly.

Just not getting your side by side after that roll into a family's tent.

Right.

Those kinds of managans.

Speaking from experience, right?

This dude, by the way, yesterday, we're at the wheelie bar. And then he's like, all right, shots for everybody. And they're like, no, no, we don't want it. He's like, no, no, there's a $10 minimum.

I got to spend the money for everybody. I take dollars either way.

Crazy, Tendo and Noel.

Well, you know, at the end of the day, it's like on the track side of things like I get, they want to make their money on all sides. Like, yeah, we want to go to the bar. You know, we want to have a little bit of a party aspect, but I think there's a maturity. I like partying with the older guys, if I'm being honest. I turn 25 next month, right? I like hanging around 35, 40 year olds. You know, I haven't talked to many MILFs, but like older dudes I have friends with, right? It's like, cause like, I like being around experience, right? I don't know. And how old are you?

I'm 33.

33? I think you said there's a age difference between you guys. You learn from these guys at the end of the day. And I think that there's more fun in that, especially if you get a few beers. You guys have been very hospitable, by the way. Every time we come to your tent, it's like, here's a beer.

It's just a part of our culture. Our parents kind of like mold us into being generous and giving, you know.

I'm going to have to teach you guys how to chug though, because that was kind of sad.

We can go test that again later.

I'll go round two.

We were still racing yesterday, so yeah.

You got to be careful, Dan. We're on number three to two here. I know you're a scrappy guy, but I'm not helping you in this fight. But, okay, I want to ask you this. So do you guys have much experience on the streets?

Yeah, I can answer that first.

Mexico.

The streets of Mexico.

Pretty much, going back to the high school days, like I mentioned to you guys yesterday, we were doing the street thing well beyond before Fast and Furious. Not only that, cops didn't care because there's not that big of a crowd. So the street was where our, like we said, grassroots are. That's where we didn't know any tracks. We don't have the money to go to a track, right? And that's where it was. You would find a couple of guys and just go test, right? That's definitely where most of the racers' roots are from. Not knowing anybody that knows a track or has not a facility nearby. So you have no option, right, at that age. So we would definitely know the streets, been through the streets of Mexico, of course. And I know basically that was the original base or our foundation of our passion, yo.

Yeah, Fuji is right. Being in the streets back then, I'll say, we had fun.

You have more responsibilities, more s*** to lose. Like, okay, it's time to get more responsible.

Yeah, and I don't know. We have a lot of experience in the streets. A lot of people know us because of the streets. Nate was on the street one day, just like John. John's been on the street. He's one of the guys we looked up to when we were younger. You know, he had a car. Yeah, and a nice car. You know, he had some buddies that had fast cars, too. They were fast, you know, made 13 seconds. But back then, 13 was pretty quick. Not so much, but yeah, we learned from it and got good experience from the streets.

What did you have back in the day?

Back in the day? Oh, I had an 89 Hits of a Catch. Yeah, so Si.

And their old team is called Team Brooklyn. Yeah, street names.

I started off with a 1993 Honda Prelude. So that's still near and dear to my heart, those Preludes, because you're never going to forget your first car.

Yeah.

So that's where I started.

I started out with a 91 EF Hatch. Nothing special.

Well, you make it special.

Yeah, for sure.

It's kind of what you do with it.

Yeah, I had like 200K, drove until 300K, motor never took a crap. It's like, heck yeah.

So what goes into making a car go into that level of power, right? Especially, you don't do that all in one go, right? If I go buy a Civic right now, I'm not going to be like, I want this to be a thousand horsepower build. You kind of do it in phases, right? So what is each of the... I'm not sure if you guys have a similar trajectory, but what do the phases look like when you're building up?

I would like to go first. I'd like to go rest of the day. Say if you want it to... You gotta have a goal. Or maybe you don't have a goal. Say you start off, you're going to end up spending a lot more money than you want to. And if you go ask somebody what they... Say your goal is a thousand horsepower, that could give you the quick and easy, and you spend a lot better. I mean, you spend what? $20,000 or less because you didn't have to go through the hardship of buying turbo kits, like here and there, or fuel injectors, fuel systems.

You're basically buying things twice. To get to the next level.

Maybe three times. But yeah, we've been through the phases. We bought basic turbo kits, just like small turbos. We maxed those out at 400 horsepower, then all great again. Okay, let's go to 62 millimeter. I guess your goal is around 700, right? 700, 800 there, that would be a 62 millimeter turbo. Then up to the big boys. 67, 70s, you know.

Yeah, money brings up a good point. I think when we were pretty much like the guinea pigs of the import side, there was not a lot of knowledge, right? And everyone was kind of guessing, trying new things, right? But nowadays, if I would recommend to like a new racer or something that's starting to get into the game, definitely do things once and do it right. You don't want to make a lot of mistakes because it can be costly. That $300 part that you bought, that you should have spent $1,000 on, caused you to blow a motor, right? Because you went cheap, right? So I'd say to the younger generation, study online, ask some of the more experienced guys, and do it once, do it right, because it can get costly, frustrating, and blood, sweat and tears.

The key thing is asking the experienced guys. Not a lot of people, I don't know if they're scared or whatnot, just to come up and ask, what does it take to build this? Or if they're willing, they gotta build a car. They should come and ask us, and we can give them a straight get go. I'm not gonna lie to somebody and say, oh, you use this part, this part, where it's not real. I'll tell them how to build this setup is, what the setup is and what it consists of.

We've been through the pain and suffering, so we don't want nobody asking.

Yeah, we talk about this all the time about how the community usually comes together. And especially if somebody's into that same passion, you don't have to twist their arm to talk about their car.

Exactly.

They're ready to go. I always tell people, we have a friend of ours, Jay, just pick up this FD RX-7. He's asking me questions. I know a little bit about him, but not a lot. But I'm like, first thing I would do if I got into something new is join a Facebook group or a forum or something like that where you've got 5,000 people that are talking about the same thing. You can get on there and ask questions because they've blown s*** up. They've been there.

We also got to point out that that Talon just ran, what did it say?

78. 74.

Yeah, that was a good race. Yeah, and there might be a live feed that they're streaming to this. I'm going to see if I can jack that live feed.

And that Talon is just a 4 cylinder, what, maybe 2.2, 2.4 at the most?

That's how people look at you guys though.

Well, the key thing is Mark's been in the game for a long time. Yeah, he has. He started from being 10 seconds, well, 2010 around there, 2011. Maybe in 2008 around there, he started 10 seconds, and he's been building his car for a long time. When we knew him from the start of Brainerd, Brainerd started around the approvals era of this, started around 2010, I think it was.

But he's in it for the long haul, too.

Yeah, he's for sure in it for the long haul. Can't stop now.

So what's next for you guys then? What's the next iteration of each of your builds look like?

Well, for me, since my class and my dream building my car to where it is, has kind of faded away. I'm thinking maybe going sequential, just like a lot of the faster all-wheel drive guys. It's a hefty price to pay for sequential, but it seems to be easier on the motor. It stays in power band. It's easier for the tuner. There's a lot of positive and negative. It's just if it breaks, it costs you.

It gets up there.

But definitely there's been a lot of good results in the Honda community with sequentials. It seems to be the new biggest thing for all-wheel drives for Honda community, at least. So that and the bigger turbo.

How about you?

My goals, well, my plans are for my car. I think I'm still going to stay front wheel drive. I think one of the biggest things I want to do is go more mechanical fuel pump, relying less on voltage power, go mechanical fuel pump, and then maybe upgrading my ECU. I'm currently on an AEM Infiniti right now, but like we say, technology has progressed since then. I'm actually considered outdated for a standalone. That's my plans. But I'm still going to stay front wheel drive. The thing with drag racing, you don't want to make big, drastic changes, right? Now you got more gremlins to work out each time. So, ball incremental changes, keep it consistent, and just learn it, max it out, and then graduate to the next level.

Yeah, I might go for these two guys, try to get them into, I guess, Fuji, get them to run low eights. Peter, if he gets to a bigger turbo, the same thing, low eights. Right now, we're just fighting the gremlins here and there. There's a lot of stuff that we still need to do yet to get to that point.

Yeah.

So, it's all testing, just getting out there.

Yeah, we know our cars have escalated to kind of full-blown race car. Like, our cars are, like, compared to on a professional level of the Honda side, where our cars are probably halfway there only. It's crazy how, like, the way you can look at it that way. Maybe other people wouldn't see it that way, but...

Might want to watch this one, by the way. All right. I'm gonna do some commentary. We're gonna try to.

Oh, oh, shoot.

Oh, you burned his foot.

Mario looks like he's hurt.

Yeah, damn. Yeah.

Yeah.

That's going into the finals. Right lane ran a nine, though.

Yeah.

Kaelin gets to buy, so it's Kaelin vs. Tony.

Kaelin and Tony. So Minnesota. I think Colorado is...

Yeah, Colorado's out. So Colorado's out, yeah. Looks like Minnesota's on top on sport.

No, I think that was number one qualifier, too.

Mario was number one. When they ate, that's the world record for a prelude.

Yeah.

Wow, really? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And on the small turbo.

Yeah.

When you say small turbo, how small are we talking?

So he has a 6270 apex on his, so that's very small compared to Pro where they're at, what, 73?

73, 74 mils.

So just compare the numbers, right? Subtract it.

So their turbo is pretty much like full potential will be like a thousand horsepower. We're anating them. They're going to climb up worse to 15. They could probably go more depending on the motor.

Is there a reason to pick like a, you guys seem to really like those Civic hatches, right? So I like the way the Preludes look too. Is there one that's just laid out better for doing what you guys want to do? Or is there a reason why some guys pick certain cars over others or?

Honestly, I think it's people rock with what they got. Like Fuji's had his car forever. And then I will say, in my opinion, if you talk about pound for pound, the EG hatchback is the best overall chassis. And a lot of people will argue with that, but if you go to the east or west coast, where the top dogs, the top hitters are, everyone has a fast 7 second EG. Everyone started at that kind of era, 92, 95. Obviously, there's some fast cars like the EKs from 96 to 2000, but if you're talking about majority of race EG drag cars that are quick, I would say EG is probably the best overall pick.

It's just typical. That's something that people started off with first, and they have the blueprint already. The blueprint of how to make it fast. I'll say that Prelude that ran, not too many people do Prelude because of how the front suspension is set up.

And how heavy they are.

You could cut weight too by cutting the car up, but I think that wheelbase might be even shorter.

And how wide it is, it just doesn't cut through the speeds that we're trying to get our cars to be going at. But I'm proud of it. It's like an underdog thing. It's always cool to see Prelude competing with some of the lightest cars or different chassis models, civics. Everyone has their own ingredients and what works for them.

You would love to see everything be or k-swapped, right? That's why I'm like, every time somebody's having a problem, you gotta put a coyote in it.

It's funny you said it. There's some Honda guys that throw mishebishi, like, evil motors into Hondas too.

Is there like a big... The guy was on just before you guys talked, he mentioned LS swap Fox bodies, and I almost threw up.

That's like a taboo thing.

Is it a Honda sacrilege? You don't put this in a Honda?

It's always a hate or discriminating thing. You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. But I guess some guys, they are very passionate, and they're well known in whatever engine platform. So it would be cool if... Right now, the biggest thing is K-Swap the world. You have Mustangs at K-Swap, trucks, you name it, they've done it. It's crazy. So it's very similar to that applied to all different types of platform.

For me, I don't mind. It's cool to see somebody innovate, something like that, put it in a hatch or something.

But I feel like sometimes people do it intentionally just to piss off people. It's like, I got time and I want to just do it for either piss this person, the people off, or just to have a good laugh about it. Like, oh yeah, I did it. It's cool. It's a cool factor.

If you wanted to make somebody angry or the swap, what would you do right now today?

Man, I have to think about that one.

That's a tough one.

It's underwiser in general.

Just in general. Like you want to piss someone off.

I think I've seen it all already. I don't feel like I'm a fool.

I think one that kind of bugs most, well, not most people, but some people is maybe throwing like a 2JZ in a Tesla or something, you know?

Right.

We just had that. So we had the Patience guys on a few episodes ago, and they have an EV swap 964 Porsche, right? Oh my God, you should see the comment sections on that, dude. They are going ape s***.

And it goes on both sides, you know, the EV side and the gas side, right?

Yeah, it's like why would you put that in a stupid Porsche? And it only weighs like 2,700 pounds or whatever still. It's like half the weight of one of these Teslas because there isn't all the extra safety to it.

Exactly.

But yeah, that's crazy. How do you guys feel about the EV side of things? You would never or what?

It's cool, but it's like you can close your eyes and make it happen, you know? There's no, I'll tell you this much, there's no better feeling than shifting gears and filling that G-force and then applying to your skill set and trying to make it happen, right? I think it kind of goes back to where you first learned how drives stick. It's like learning how to release the clutch so you can start giving it some gas and go climbing up hills and et cetera, right? So I feel like that's kind of like the cool factor of that versus EV is kind of like close your eyes like your grandma could do it, you know?

That's crazy because you're going sequential, so I don't know.

Yeah, yeah. It's funny in the Honda community, they call it the H-pattern guys are still like shifting it versus the sequential. They call it the sequential the pussy stick. It's like, you know, there's not much to it besides just that. It's like a shift paddle.

But I think on the Honda side, I think before the sequential, I think a lot of respect was given to the Honda guys because you had to manually clutch it. You manually have to shift, you know, and that caused a lot of carnage because, you know, when you do that, you know, mis-shifts, they call it money shifts, the one-two-one shifts. You do in-dose, you know, on the track. So I think especially from the domestic side, you guys know, more so the domestic side is auto, right, which is a lot more popular, which brings a lot of consistency. And, you know, you're using that advantage, and it makes it a lot more consistent. Whereas us, Honda guys, we could be running a nine-second pass, one pass, and running an 11, you know, next pass, you know, mis-shifting or something else is going to happen, you know, so.

Eight or nine seconds in anything stick shift is pretty freaking awesome. And it's, I'm getting tired of this automatics are faster. I mean, it's where your preference is. And I think we should all be able to agree that you got to tip your hat to a guy who is out there f****** you're adding that extra hit the clutch, bang the gears, get down the track. Like there's a lot that's intense going from there to there and having to do in a high horsepower car.

Yes, a lot of coordination with the body movement.

You're feeling the G-forces, the car is getting upset.

There's a lot of variables going down the track. Sometimes I feel like when I know the strain gauge is not working, I'll be a quick reaction and press the clutch to shift gears. And I've done that a couple of times this weekend just because we're trying to test things out and progress because we're trying to push the car to the next level or at least to its limits.

Now, this next car here, that's coming up, the 01. That car is fast, but it's automatic.

Yeah, I think I ran a 9.4 earlier when we were watching it.

I think this thing is manual, right? These car manual or?

I don't know. Dan's eyes are glazing over because it's Camaro.

Let me go drive mine around quick.

So are you guys all just drag race guys, or how do you feel about road racing or other types of racing?

So I started just because my generation, we were in the era of drag racing and the street was kind of dead. So we were like drag racing here and there, but we started off just road racing. And also being in a bigger city, like we just had nicer highways, right? So we would do like 30 rows, 20 rows, 40 rows, 50 rows, you name it, depending on what horsepower level you had on your car. But we mainly did that. I mainly did that when just throughout the car years of growing into the sport of drag racing. But I always watched like drag racing was the coolest thing back then when I was a kid.

And to me, I'm actually, I can go 180 miles per hour straight, but I don't like going sideways. The drifting, the autocross, that's not for me. And I think that's just a personal preference. I like having more control of just the steadiness beyond like rails. I think I like that more. I've had similar stuff happen to me in my Supra. Wet roads and all of a sudden you're zigzagging, right? I was more like a street drag race guy for me.

Would you see, what would it take to get, you throw some different wheels on, or have you ever thought about coming out the power cruise? You can't because you don't have an alternator. You'd make it halfway around the track, and then you'd be getting pushed off.

Me and Money were talking about like, hey, if I don't go like eights this weekend, I could just maybe turn, we saw an EVO grid life sticker. We were like, oh, maybe I can turn my car to a grid life time attack car or something, you know? It'd be cool because there is some K-Swap all-wheel drive cars that are out there doing it, but it's just there's not a lot of progress into it because just not everyone's got that kind of deep pockets of learning what works and what doesn't, you know? In a matter of time, it will eventually be big.

I'd just like to see your car out here just pissing people off, though. It's just like some high horsepower cars that a Honda comes blowing by them.

Yeah, I mean, you see it on the internet all the time, you know, but in reality, it's kind of like there's... It takes a lot to get to that level, in my opinion.

Well, some of these cars are out on a power cruise.

Yeah, they're fast. They're fast, yeah.

And if you... Peter's car, I could say, it'll probably be like half of them. You know, the other half are... they're fast cars. They're top-end cars, you know, like Lambos. You know, those Vipers, you know. Those guys, man, they're pretty quick.

Yeah, so, just... displayment means they got the advantage, you know. It's true, true. everyone has their own advantage. But my car is, like, this weekend, I've only dropped that 155 miles per hour, which you think that would be kind of high, but if you think about in a road race, that's actually not very high at all, you know, because you're compared to some of these Vipers, Lambo's, you know, like, higher displacement cars where they're in the 180s average. Like, that's just easy kick-walk for them.

Oh, yeah, like, in Texas, too, you see all these guys, like...

Exactly.

What was the bump? Bump was, like, I think 181 miles an hour. Just to qualify. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, I mean, especially for, like, when it comes to roll racing, like, someone was like, again, like, I've been in three-second cars, like, you know, 60 to 130s. Like, that's insane. I mean, you probably don't even look at that. No, it's worthless for you guys, right?

That's a draggy thing, man. That's a new draggy thing.

You just see what he does here, you know, 60 to 130, you know. And then we'll find out, you know, how fast it is, how fast Fuji's carrying, and then Peter's carrying.

I don't think I'll get on that draggy thing, guys. I feel like a lot of the newer generation is very toxic. At least on social media, at least.

Oh, dude, it's... I'm in the Facebook forum. I think it was like 180,000 members on there.

Draggy talk, right?

I didn't even know about that.

Everyone trashes on one another. And then you get like the funny cars come in there and just like show them like freaking 1.8 seconds.

Just for fun.

Yeah, like they have 4 second cars. You guys are just like kids, you know? It's just putting each other in check, like, you know, humble yourself, right?

What's the best race you guys have done? We'll start with you. Do you have any race that you just remember? Like you killed it or just a close race or anything like that?

No, not really. I don't really have one.

They're not special to you?

A race is just a race, you know? It's just a learning curve for me. So I don't really have a memorable race where I like, damn, we got the next one. Pretty much, yeah. I can't wait for the next event. In August, we're going to go to IFO in Rock Falls. So we're going to try to get our cars prepped for then.

So what's the next... Oh, I almost hit myself with this goddamn mic. What's next for prep for you guys then? Because you got some gremlins to work out, right? So what's that to-do list look like for each of you guys?

Mine is pretty big. There's still a lot of my speed sensors that I have. I didn't even hook up yet. My clutch slipper. And then just a lot of the small things that I've been just pushing off to the side I should have taken care of. So yeah, most likely get to those items before August for sure.

Yeah, and then for me, no big major changes. I think what I need is being a family man and working full time. I just need more seat time. I need to make more availability to be on a track. You can't have months or years gaps of starting fresh, right? You lose rhythm, you lose your pattern, and basically you got to get the jitters out of the way again. So I think more consistency, more seat time, more track time, and just more frequency of being out there, getting comfortable with the car, feeling the power. I think that's a huge benefit for me.

I've got similar situations going on, so I've been really trying this year to force myself, like go to these things, go to the events, get your car out there, do this stuff. It's been hard, it's been stressful this year, because I've got a thousand things going on. If I really enjoy doing this, I've got to get out there more.

And you can't expect to go fast after one or two years of hiatus. The car is going to react differently, your movement, your rhythm is going to be different, and more seat time, frequency, just rinse and repeat each time. I think that's a big plus for any racer.

What do each of your cars weigh? I don't know if you guys said that earlier on.

Mine weighs, mine is actually overweight. I'm supposed to be right at around the 2,400 lbs. But once again, with the traction problems, you know, not grabbing, I added another 100 lbs. weight in front. I'm right around 2,500 lbs. right now.

Yeah, my car is 2,600 lbs. minimum for my class, but my car is right above it, slightly above 100 lbs. So 2,710, and then flux rate from gas.

That's very heavy.

To a Honda, you'd think that would be super light, right? But in reality, to the Honda world, it's like, bro, you need to cut some weight. Not this, I mean the car.

I can't remember who I was talking to down in the pits. What's the weight distribution look like?

For power, or is it... Where you want to be?

Somebody was talking about corner balancing.

Oh yeah, so corner balance determines on front wheel drive, all wheel drive. All wheel drive, as long as all the suspension is kind of even, then it works, just for the slicks. So it doesn't torque steer you. That's basically what it is.

Yeah, I can't remember which one of you said it, but we were talking yesterday, it stuck with my mind. One of you was like, oh, you want to go faster, get me a cutoff wheel.

But we always joke with Fuji, like, if he doesn't go 8, we're going to make his car all wheel drive, and make him go 8, you know? You can borrow my drive shaft and my setup, but just don't be angry when we chop your car off. Because at that point, it would be hard to go back to front wheel drive.

So for front wheel drive, the weight distribution we want is near 80-20 or at 80-20. I think if you do any more than that, money you might risk.

If you do any more than that, you're risking when the parachute opens your back.

Your back's too light, you know?

You just got to pick up your back. And that's why some of these cars, like Jamie PFI Speed's car, he told me yesterday he was at around 90.

90-10, yeah.

And I was like, okay. And then he has one of those air sports where at the end of the track, when he throws out the parachute, it will come up. I think it's under a certain speed, I guess. And that's crazy. You look online, you see a lot of the fast Hondas crashing because of the weight bias there.

And you can't ever predict when the direction of the wind is going.

Yeah, the wind matters, yes.

Dude, that crosswind's gnarly. I've seen that crosswind mess up parachutes pretty bad. Especially if you have a tailwind, a fast tailwind, 30 miles an hour or whatever. When the chute pops out, it can kind of... We've seen some pretty wild...

When it gets caught up, it pulls you a different way. I've seen that too.

We've seen some pretty crazy crashes just from Hondas crashing from tailwinds. You can imagine flipping 10 times.

We were just talking about Greg here just before this. He had some crazy accident where he was sliding on the top of his roof.

Upside down.

Yeah, upside down. That's crazy. You'll have to listen to the last episode to hear more about that story.

Plus, you didn't even know if he was talking any s*** about you.

He was really nice to me out there, but why did he stay with me?

You could see it in his face, by the way, because we're over here having a good conversation. He's already like, my car is broken, I'm not going to be out there. He was being a good sport, right? But I could see it in his eyes, he's like, f****** wish I was out there. Not to beat you, but he wants to be out there doing more runs, right? And that's what it is, right? I'm just curious, you don't even have to know the number to this. How many passes do you think you guys have done over the years?

Over the years?

Man, I can't count.

Oh yeah, for me?

Like you can't count in general? You mean I can't count your passes?

Nah, I plead the fifth.

Yeah, you feel like when I look at my bank account, I'm like, I got money, the next day it's negative, so.

How many beers I drink today?

I don't know.

You got 1,000 mark. 500 or so.

Yeah, throughout the years. Yeah, throughout the years.

Yeah, I don't have as much as them.

Well, 500 on my Civic, you know.

But I have for sure 100 hits on my Civic, for sure.

I mean, are you still kind of in that learning phase, too? I mean, everybody's in the learning phase. There's always more to learn, right? But how long have you been racing for, then?

So I didn't really start drag racing, like, at a drag track until I built my Civic. Like, you know, you'll take your stock cars and go race, but that's just testing tunes. I don't consider that really racing. When I say racing, like, taking it to an event and racing in a bracket class, it's different from a testing tune, in my opinion. So I didn't really start that until I started my EG all-wheel drive build. So about five years, I've been really dedicated and just spending all my money into it.

Yeah, for me, I'm probably at least over 20 years of racing, you know. So once again, you guys say, you know, it's always a learning phase. There's always going to be new technology, you know, new methods to go faster, right? Whether it's non-technology or like little tricks of the trade, right? So yeah, I'm all over 20 years of drag racing, you know, and as I said, I like going straight only. I don't like going sideways or criss-crossing, you know.

Well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. It's like, oh, I got to turn now? It's crazy.

What's turning?

I don't know if we touched much on the all-wheel drive side of you though. Like, so is that like, did you, how much of that work did you do yourself?

So the all-wheel drive S1 kit came out late 2017. That's when they started, I guess, R&D side of it, and started selling it to like a few customers here and there. I was like, oh, you know, I was like, oh, like, there's the chance. I always told myself, like, the reason why I got out of Honda is because, like once I said it earlier, but spending is not winning, front-wheel drive, right? So I was like, I bet you, I told myself like, I bet you one day, if they just spent the R&D and money into all-wheel drive systems, like it would be a killer fast cars, you know? And then fast forward just a year at 2018, I was like, oh, they're finally selling a kit. So I bought the kit from S1 from Florida, and then they gave me a good deal. And I was like, let's try it. I didn't know how it was going to mock up, but you know, for them, it's just a learning curve for them as well, right? So I got to pretty much do it by myself, and then learn all the don't do and do's, you know, and also growing with social media, following other people, because they see that you're putting some money into it. So even though they've been heavy hitters in front wheel drives and they've gone to all wheel drives, they're like, yeah, you know, I'll tell you what works for me, and I tell them what works for me, that we share information back and forth.

When you get a kit like that, does it look like you source your own transfer case and stuff? They're like, here's the parts and pieces, you need to get this, this, and this kind of deal?

Yeah, so when the all wheel drive first came out, they just sold the trailer arms, and then to mount the diff. Then they didn't really explain, like, what diff work, what dry shaft they use. Some people just had a general idea of what they use. And then the best combination up to date, it just depends on how deep your pockets is. And the wagons set up from the 88 wagons was people were going eights off the bat. Like, you're talking about something 30 years old, the reports of the 1980s. Yeah, and then they're putting on their cars using the AWD kits, and they're just using the dry shaft, rusted as hell, the diff is rusted as hell. And their cars are consistent already, high eights, and then all of a sudden, they're starting to hit low eights. So it gave them kind of like, whoa, the AWD does make a big difference. You know, and that I think that's when that exploded the market, and people started making a bunch of different kits out there, and people just got on board. Everyone started covering their front wheel drives to all wheel drives, and people started to build just completely chassis that were just.

All-out, all-wheel drive cars.

You know, it's just different. I mean, I always said if they made an all-wheel drive Hellcat and they lost 600 f****** pounds, it would be a whole entire car.

It would be a no-brainer if you spend... You know, nothing is domestic cars, but domestic cars, they put cams in, they can easily gain 100 horsepower, right? Maybe not all, but I'm just throwing numbers out there. I don't know that for a fact. But for sure, more than imports. You put cams on a Honda motor, you're looking at maybe 5 to 15 horsepower max.

Is it because they already like... So like I reached out to a company one time to port a Whipple blower that I had, and they're like, we don't port Whipples because they're already using everything that they can. So it's probably because Honda already was like, listen, we've done R&D, we know this is the most you're going to squeeze out of this cam. You know, that's probably the factor.

Yeah, because the compression and everything matters. You know, with certain cams, and if you're at like a 10, you know, you can only maybe go up to stage 2.

Yeah.

And if you go to stage 3, that might be bad because it's moving your power band up higher.

It's starving your ear. You know, Hondas love air. The more it can suck in, you know, that sounds wrong. You know, so like back to what Money was saying, yeah, stage 2 could be the limitation before you start to have to, sporting mods, what you have to go with, like bigger intake, higher compression, piston rods, spring retainers, to get to the level 3 camshaft or something, to really make power difference.

Well, you're also, you got to remember it's times 2, right? So like, at 2.7 was at 5.4, so you're already like, it's, yeah, you can get maybe 30 more, but it's 60 more, 100 more, you were about right on your numbers there. You got twice the motor, twice, like having two freaking K series, slapped together in a V, you know what I mean?

You guys don't want to see that.

I think I saw a podcast where someone argued about the Coyote motors, basically two K series slapped together.

No, the Coyote motors are pretty stout. I like it. I haven't done a lot of research, but I've just been watching it, and I was like, wow, they could handle a lot of stuff, and they're really efficient.

Everybody has their flagship, right? Between your automakers, and I can appreciate all of them. I've actually been talking to guys, I have a little Bronco 2 that I have a vision of 2JZ swapping. I think that'd be freaking sweet, right? I can appreciate the over-engineering of the engine. That really is something that's incredible when you can squeeze out of those things. And as I've been hanging out with more of these, we work out of the ratified studio, so I'm watching all of these Audis and BMWs, and it's got me scratching my head going, hmm, maybe whatever. I hang out with you JDM guys, and I'm like, oh man, that'd be sweet to have something like that. And I've always liked, I was into the BMW 3 Series in the 90s. We were talking about Hondas. I've been hanging out with you guys all weekend, and I've always loved those little hatches. A car guy is a car guy. You kind of get into your niche, but at the same time, we all can appreciate some over-engineering.

Yeah, for sure.

Totally agree with that.

So what is it that makes the K, and I guess in this case the B, what makes them so special? Is there any way to describe them?

K-Series, I would say, just the verbal timing. It's just...

Overall being bigger.

It's just an advancement.

Everything just bigger.

Something that GM just can't get on board with. Variable timing that everybody's jumped on them.

I think that's like in all platforms, I think that's key. And to the next level, at least.

Well, they're still running that single cam, so that's not really good for variable valve timing. You're controlling everything off a single cam, and you'd rather have each cam have variable valve timing, so you can adjust. It'll change your power band for good or bad. It depends on where you want it.

And for the beast series, I think... which might... eventually might be a dying breed, because these motors are getting harder to source, because it's a lot older. People didn't blow on them and toss on them, so it is going to get harder to source. I think one big... advantage of the B was the availability of parts, you know? Performance and aftermarket parts. There was an era where everyone was just dumping all these mods into the B series. So that was a big plus. That's why the B series had a... jumpstart on the K series as far as performance parts.

So are they still making the K series? And if not, what is Honda's new... Is there something that's their newest greatest kind of flagship thing? So I'll use BMW as an example. They're this S58 platform that they got right now that's just absolutely killing stuff. Does Honda have something like that now?

No. So the K series, they haven't... So the K20s and the 24s are pretty much like the gold nugget of the K series. Like B series, it was the B18Cs with the VTEC heads. That was like the golden nugget ticket for B series. But for K series, the newest Ks are very designed differently. But I'm starting to see a lot of people putting some testings into those motors. I wouldn't say it's gone to as good, as sweet, as the 24s and 20s, but I think eventually it will get there. I see like the J series making its comeback now for the Honda motors.

I think many of you might know more about this. What is the next generation?

The newer Civic, the Civic Type R motors, yeah. Those motors are not bad. I don't think there's enough, I guess, not a lot of people have been doing anything with it. They've just been throwing turbo, bigger turbos and everything. I don't know about, I think 4 piston has a head for it already. They port that head in. I don't know, I mean...

Just too new still.

It's too new. I mean, you're going to spend a lot of money just to get that motor, and you'd rather just buy a K.

I think the marketing is like this. They don't want to work on newer engines platform, unless someone already spent the millions into it. Otherwise, they're like, oh yeah, this works. We're going to just keep marketing this instead. The hype train is this. Eventually, we'll probably all get there, like B-series, B-Extinct. Right now, just a crankshaft costs a grand. It's crazy. Like a perfect condition, not used. Even just the block itself is so rare to find, and heads. That's crazy. First, you can get a full K-Swap from the junkyard for $250. And still run 12 seconds or throw a turbo charge on the eBay special, 35R on it, and go 10s, 9s maybe. Yeah, it's been proven.

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Eat that junkyard LS. It's just like the LS stories, you know?

I'm so tired of hearing about a junkyard LS.

But people have done it, you know? Some people aren't very can't afford things, so you go to U-Pole, whatever U-Pole there you find, and you make it work. You rebuild it yourself. It doesn't cost you an arm and a leg. It's just got to be mechanically inclined at that point.

You said CRV. It's dropped the kids off at the school about 185,000 times, and then you go drive them over and out.

That's the one.

Is there anything that... I don't want to get in trouble when I go back to your camp. Is there anything I'm missing on asking you guys while we're here?

I think we covered a lot, though.

Yeah, we have.

I'd say, I mean, to... Maybe this is just a message for the up and coming racers or the new generation. I'd say, find a passion, find a hobby. If it's not cars, find something to do, right? Keep yourself busy. Get off the video games, get off the couch, right? Become more active. I definitely support and want the younger generation, the next racers to come out and see what happens behind the scenes, behind the curtains, right? The Peter story, or my story, or money story, the blood, sweat and tears, and the actual physical and mental work you really have to put in to succeed, right? And don't take the easy route.

Don't give up.

That's my message.

If you give up, you're not going to know. If I gave up a long time ago, I wouldn't know what I know now. Knowledge is key.

I feel like a little bit of a true testament today is like, hanging out around guys who's been doing it for a long time, I always tell them, I want to give up. It's not that my mentality is giving up. It's just like, I don't know how they've done it for so long. And then you just starting, you feel like you're not really there yet. And you just kind of figure things out slowly and slowly. It's a slow progress. And sometimes you have to step back and say, it's just a journey, like meeting people, their experience. And also growing yourself mentally, too. I think that's key. A message to whoever wants to get into this kind of sport with racing in general, or just modifying cars. It can definitely build character, at least.

Absolutely. Yeah, you surround yourself with those people. And speaking of that, shout out to John Wayne from JWP for putting us together. You guys have been great. You've welcomed us into your camp. We've drank beers together. John, you got to stop deflecting, though. We will get you on this podcast soon. We appreciate the guests, but we're going to get you.

He wasn't sure if he has had tall mics or short mics.

We'll get some smaller stands.

I'm sorry, John.

Okay, so I just received a text from John, and he said to delete you from this episode. Sweet. We're about to see the power of technology.

You will never hear. I'll come back with John next time.

We've been trying, man. But at the end of the day, it's like he said, he likes to put other people on. I'm the same way, too. I like to deflect. I like to connect people. Sometimes the other day, I introduced Caleb to somebody else, and I just left. I'm like, all right, here, I want you to talk to this guy. There's nothing to be said about that. There's people like John that put people together in this community. You need guys like that in this community. I don't know if you guys have other people like that that you've met, but I think it's huge, especially for me. I'm a young guy. I joined this community realistically six years ago. Before that, in school, I barely got my license. I didn't make it out to car shows. I don't know any of you guys. So guys like John that point people in the right direction, too, to not stir trouble, but be around the right type of car community, too. I think it's huge.

Yep, I agree.

And then, Dan, do you want to pop the usual three?

We'll do this. I'm sharing a mic. All right, so at the end of every episode, we like to ask our guests to pick three cars. I need you to pick a daily driver, a show car, and a track car. You can have anything you want. Money is no object, swaps, whatever you want. But yeah, I need three cars from each of you. Oh, unlimited budget. I think I said that already. Yeah, all right, you have an unlimited budget. Money is no object.

One daily, one show track.

A show car and a track car. And the track, road course, drag, strip, whatever you want.

Uh-huh. Why don't you go first?

Why don't you guys come to me last?

I think for a daily, I would like a GTR. You know, automatic, you don't have to...

R35?

R35, yeah. For a track car, definitely something for a wheel drive, Civic, you know. I'm still going to stick with that. And a show car, yeah, like a Lambo. Definitely a Lambo.

What kind of Lambo? We got some options.

The Huracan.

Huracan? What did you do, like Twin Turbo or anything like that?

Got to be Twin Turbo.

I got to come to this guy. Why did you say boo to the GTR? Now you got to defend.

Well, if you're a real GTR enthusiast, fan, it's all about the R34. That's the golden nugget for a GTR.

I just don't like the drive-through windows on that side.

Yeah, the right-hand drive.

Yeah, right-hand drive.

Arthur Vice Sweet, I've driven my buddy's 1600-horse GTR. It's fun, but it gets boring quick. I mean, it's fast, nothing wrong with that, but it feels like you're just cruising. I took it down on a drag strip, and it's a driver's sale kind of deal. It's like coming from racing an H-pattern car to that, you're like...

It's a good daily, though. It's a good daily.

You're talking like a young man.

I mean, kind of driving itself, kind of like your future sequential, man.

Yeah, yeah. My pussy's thick, you know what I'm saying?

I will say, with the GT500, as you get to a certain age, you want to be comfortable and still be able to go fast. I saw a guy post in the forum the other day, he was eating an ice cream cone while driving his car, and he's like, this is actually the real reason why I bought this car over another one.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, my daily, I would say I've always dreamed of daily a twin turbo R8. I'm a big twin turbo R8 fan. I wish I got a 401. And then for drag, I wouldn't take anything other than an all-wheel drive Civic, but at a very seven seconds, that's always been a super big dream, long-term goal of mine. And then show car, I don't know, I seen a Bugatti up here in Brainerd once, and I was like, dude, that thing is freaking sick. I wish I could own one and just let it sit.

You're talking like a Chiron?

Yeah.

What color was the one you saw?

I think it was like brownish. The golden black one?

So that one, by the way, that Bugatti, the guy that owns that in Minnesota, he has several of them, but that one...

I see him rolling with the blue one up here once.

Yeah, so this is like recently. So that one's called the Golden Era. So that's like the top of the tier. That's the only one that exists, I think.

I almost crashed into a car just like breaking neck.

I swear.

I was trailing over my car up here too. I was like, damn, that is freaking...

Yeah, that car sold for an unspeakable amount. You'd think three millions a lot. That ain't s***. Yeah, that thing is crazy.

Yeah, I know there's a lot more cooler cars, a lot of unique cars, super cars out there, but man, there's nothing sexy.

I get it. You like Volkswagen. I get it.

Nah, it's just the looks.

I sympathize. I'm a VW guy myself. Alright, we're coming back to you now.

Alright, for me, Hondas here, I'm thinking for a daily driver, I'm not really too crazy. Yeah, well, like, I'll do like a, you know, give me a denial. You call me a denial. I'm good with that. Let's see here. For a show car, show car, I'll... I think about that. It's a 911 GT4.

GT4?

Like the new GT4? Like the GT4 RS kind of deal? Okay.

I like those. Those are pretty sweet. They're fast right out of the box. That would be a good one in a race car. I think race will... I'll probably go with like... I would actually want to go with like, maybe like a Fox Body Mustang, you know, and just do a 2JZ.

Did that one shock you guys a little bit?

The newer year Coyote, the year... Yeah, that motor and I'll probably turbocharge it.

Did that shock you guys a little bit, when you said Fox Body?

No, it... Drag guys, it's one of those things that's another one that's... It's a unit, right? They win, right? Like, Fox Bodies, they're just... They were engineered. They go down this track straight and fast. So, it doesn't surprise me whenever a drag guy tells me that they like the Fox Bodies. You know, it's almost like they were purpose-built for it.

I don't like the old school look of it.

Was the other one the Grand National? That one was nice.

I don't like GM, but I will... I would own one of those for damn sure.

Old school is like... That's a legit car.

Well, they were the fastest production car at that time. Which is nuts, man.

That force induction.

Yeah, absolutely.

If everybody opened their eyes more, they would have started force induction way earlier.

It's kind of funny now that everything has a turbocharger on it, right?

Force induction is the way to go. Not a lot of people do supercharger, but superchargers are more efficient nowadays. They have intercoolers now. That's a cool thing. But I think that was the thing that killed it. Not having an intercooler on it, then getting heat soaked. All that heat, that's lowering your timing.

There's different purposes for different types of force induction. So this stuff, turbo works great. What I like about my positive displacement blower is the torque you get on the low end. So when you're road coursing, you're coming out of a corner, that instant punch.

My 4200 pound car out of the corner, I need that instantly.

Everything has its place and reference for whatever. Or if you drive an orange Mustang with a centrifugal blower on it, and you just want to post videos nonstop of you smoking people at powercruise, you know, you're maybe into that.

I know that guy.

Yeah, we all have names.

I know that guy. There's a picture of my car floating around the internet.

What he posted.

I woke up one day and just saw like 50 notifications and like 10, 15 messages like, what is going on? Like, you're going to raise some? I like, I think he's just for jokes. Because I like, yeah.

You want to wake up with 100 notifications, do let me know. We'll make it happen.

Sure, let's do it.

Which brings me to my next point. Do you guys have any social media or anything? People can find you, you guys off the radar. Like, what's the situation? We'll start with you.

So I have Instagram. I do post quite often on there. It's Peter Lee underscore AWD. You guys follow me on Instagram. I don't really post as much on Facebook. I want to keep it just with family and friends. But feel free to hit me up on Instagram. I'm always willing to answer questions best to my ability and maybe share some tips.

Sweet.

How about you?

Yeah, I just have Facebook. It's Fuji Fang. I basically just post reels on them.

Okay.

If you guys want to see car stuff, just come there, like, whatever.

Cool.

Yeah, I'm not a social media.

You're off the radar.

I'm off the radar. Everything is on my social media. Facebook is just family and friends. That's about it.

You almost hit me with that, man. What's going on? Do I need to tell people where they can find me or what? Yeah? Sure. You can find us at Gunna Garage. My wife always asks me, she's like, why do you say us? Because I do this with my family, my kids. They're involved. We do some mobile stuff, dirt bikes, car stuff. So yeah, it's... I'm going to get around to getting better at that, but we'll see.

And y'all know where we're at. So thank you guys for coming on to the show. I really appreciate it. It was awesome to meet all three of you.

Oh, yeah. Thanks for the opportunity.

Thank you guys for your time, and the sponsors that kind of brought us together today. So really shout out to John and Brainer and all the sponsors, Carrie, Nathan.

If they didn't have this, yeah, we wouldn't meet.

They pretty much made it happen for us, thanks to you guys too, letting us get on the cast.

Yeah, thank you very much. Dan, thanks for existing, and we'll see you all next time.